Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location for WikiConference UK 2013
Hi all, A meeting of the Conference Committee took place yesterday http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conference_Committee/Planning_meeting_6/Minutes#WikiConference_UK_2013. We've basically narrowed the potential selection to Greater Manchester and Lincoln. Currently we're looking at The Lowry in Salford, Manchester University and New Life Conference Centre in Lincoln, with potential for couple others nearby. If you haven't already, or even if you have and have something new to add, please comment on these potential choices (both cities and venues) either on the wiki http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_UK_2013 or on this mailing list. Regards, KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.
Ask Mike Peel about a special project grant. On 2 October 2012 13:51, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Is it now agreed that the London Wikimeet will be the time to celebrate four years of Wikimedia UK (5th November 2008)? WIKIMEDIA U.K. Company No. 06741827 Are there any funds to support a special meetup (Jon)? Is the current default venue suitable? There has been some discussion on the meetup page... http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Meetup/London/63http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/63 Gordo -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
This could run and run! How about a guillotine motion? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.
On 02/10/12 14:21, Jon Davies wrote: Ask Mike Peel about a special project grant. OK. Mike, what say you? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
Is that when the candidates put their head under a sharp pointy obejct and we see who has the thickest neck? On 2 October 2012 14:32, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: This could run and run! How about a guillotine motion? Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
- Original Message - From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com This could run and run! How about a guillotine motion? Seems a little drastic to chop the heads off the losing candidates ;-0 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.
On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:33, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 02/10/12 14:21, Jon Davies wrote: Ask Mike Peel about a special project grant. OK. Mike, what say you? Sounds good, but please can you ask me via a microgrant application, with a budget request and breakdown? http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Microgrants Thanks, Mike P.S. at some point soon, I'll get a proper Grants Committee set up so this stops being 'ask mike'... ;-) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
Since you still don't understand what you did wrong, I think you made the right decision by resigning. On Oct 2, 2012 7:58 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've taken a while to respond for a number of reasons. As Tom M notes this is upsetting. The other reason is that I'm not reading all of this because as Tom says its sticky. I'm sure that when he says but the solution is not to use the charity to pay your wage he didnt mean that as I think he already knows that is not true. However its lines like that that make the newspapers and the courts which Is one reason why words like unfortunate and other underestimations can be useful. As it is I think that some have used words that overestimate the problems and I'm having difficulty in thinking thats this is not accidental. I don't intend to defend my statement line by line. It isnt meant to be a vindification. Its meant to be informative to those people who are interested in my understanding of what went on. I don't mention that I gave so much free time to get a tear but to avoid some people thinking that this was a plan driven by money. (If it is then its a poor plan) One can always blame poor communication but we (WMUK) were trying our best to be transparent and as far as I can see all information that is being discovered was always available. You can always argue that it wasnt well advertised but I'm not sure that we could have done more (in some cases) than issue a press release about me standing down as chair because I was working for MCC or that the Government of Gibraltar was funding Gibraltarpedia with Roger and John as assistants. WMUK were being informed and they were reacting to these events to try and ensure that the situation was understood and properly managed. So for example wrt imperfect communication I didn't read Tom's breakdown until now, and for that I apologise. If someone wants a particular point addressing then do feel free to email me direct. Roger On 29 September 2012 22:58, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 29 September 2012 22:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 September 2012 22:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: review, to make sure we are doing enough to safeguard the reputation of not only ourselves as a charity but the Wikimedia movement as a whole. Chis, I would hope it has nothing to to with reputation! And everything to do with doing things properly and with correct ethics. Reputation won't be a concern in those circumstances! The decision appears to be everything to do with reputation. Yes. My point precisely. Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
Tom, Neat, insightful, philosophical. Its tricky to decide how best to describe your considered contribution maybe empathetic? I can see with 20/20 hindsight see lots of things I did wrong or could do better. The most recent was to offer some comments here. Apologies to those who might have liked a longer discussion. R On 2 October 2012 20:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Since you still don't understand what you did wrong, I think you made the right decision by resigning. On Oct 2, 2012 7:58 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've taken a while to respond for a number of reasons. As Tom M notes this is upsetting. The other reason is that I'm not reading all of this because as Tom says its sticky. I'm sure that when he says but the solution is not to use the charity to pay your wage he didnt mean that as I think he already knows that is not true. However its lines like that that make the newspapers and the courts which Is one reason why words like unfortunate and other underestimations can be useful. As it is I think that some have used words that overestimate the problems and I'm having difficulty in thinking thats this is not accidental. I don't intend to defend my statement line by line. It isnt meant to be a vindification. Its meant to be informative to those people who are interested in my understanding of what went on. I don't mention that I gave so much free time to get a tear but to avoid some people thinking that this was a plan driven by money. (If it is then its a poor plan) One can always blame poor communication but we (WMUK) were trying our best to be transparent and as far as I can see all information that is being discovered was always available. You can always argue that it wasnt well advertised but I'm not sure that we could have done more (in some cases) than issue a press release about me standing down as chair because I was working for MCC or that the Government of Gibraltar was funding Gibraltarpedia with Roger and John as assistants. WMUK were being informed and they were reacting to these events to try and ensure that the situation was understood and properly managed. So for example wrt imperfect communication I didn't read Tom's breakdown until now, and for that I apologise. If someone wants a particular point addressing then do feel free to email me direct. Roger On 29 September 2012 22:58, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 29 September 2012 22:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 September 2012 22:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: review, to make sure we are doing enough to safeguard the reputation of not only ourselves as a charity but the Wikimedia movement as a whole. Chis, I would hope it has nothing to to with reputation! And everything to do with doing things properly and with correct ethics. Reputation won't be a concern in those circumstances! The decision appears to be everything to do with reputation. Yes. My point precisely. Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
I don't know why you've bothered making any statements here. You just keep leveling accusations against the people that have complained about you rather than actually trying to recognise and address their concerns. When you accepted the contract with Monmouthshire council, you asked me for my thoughts and I said I thought it would be fine for you to do that kind of work while serving as a trustee, but you have consistently shown a complete lack of understanding of how such a conflict of interest needs to be managed and you continue to do so. Had I realised you lacked that understanding, I would have counseled you differently. On Oct 2, 2012 8:30 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, Neat, insightful, philosophical. Its tricky to decide how best to describe your considered contribution maybe empathetic? I can see with 20/20 hindsight see lots of things I did wrong or could do better. The most recent was to offer some comments here. Apologies to those who might have liked a longer discussion. R On 2 October 2012 20:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Since you still don't understand what you did wrong, I think you made the right decision by resigning. On Oct 2, 2012 7:58 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've taken a while to respond for a number of reasons. As Tom M notes this is upsetting. The other reason is that I'm not reading all of this because as Tom says its sticky. I'm sure that when he says but the solution is not to use the charity to pay your wage he didnt mean that as I think he already knows that is not true. However its lines like that that make the newspapers and the courts which Is one reason why words like unfortunate and other underestimations can be useful. As it is I think that some have used words that overestimate the problems and I'm having difficulty in thinking thats this is not accidental. I don't intend to defend my statement line by line. It isnt meant to be a vindification. Its meant to be informative to those people who are interested in my understanding of what went on. I don't mention that I gave so much free time to get a tear but to avoid some people thinking that this was a plan driven by money. (If it is then its a poor plan) One can always blame poor communication but we (WMUK) were trying our best to be transparent and as far as I can see all information that is being discovered was always available. You can always argue that it wasnt well advertised but I'm not sure that we could have done more (in some cases) than issue a press release about me standing down as chair because I was working for MCC or that the Government of Gibraltar was funding Gibraltarpedia with Roger and John as assistants. WMUK were being informed and they were reacting to these events to try and ensure that the situation was understood and properly managed. So for example wrt imperfect communication I didn't read Tom's breakdown until now, and for that I apologise. If someone wants a particular point addressing then do feel free to email me direct. Roger On 29 September 2012 22:58, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: On 29 September 2012 22:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 September 2012 22:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: review, to make sure we are doing enough to safeguard the reputation of not only ourselves as a charity but the Wikimedia movement as a whole. Chis, I would hope it has nothing to to with reputation! And everything to do with doing things properly and with correct ethics. Reputation won't be a concern in those circumstances! The decision appears to be everything to do with reputation. Yes. My point precisely. Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
Well, certainly at some point the Board will call an EGM and so I strongly suggest anyone with alternative systems to be discussed mention them soon. As it stands we'll be choosing between Approval, STV and Schulze. On 2 October 2012 14:32, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: This could run and run! How about a guillotine motion? Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
If we pencil in 9-10 Feb for the EGM then we have until, say, the end of November to discuss and agree on the proposal. I do think we need to have a reasoned argument set out in favour of the change before we call the EGM itself - after all a constitution is not something that we should tinker with lightly, hence the requirement for it to pass with a 75% change. I've started this: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AndrewRT/Why_change_the_voting_system#What_won.27t_change bringing together the arguments that various people have already made on this list. Please go ahead and expand! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: This could run and run! How about a guillotine motion? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
I missed a bit... On 1 October 2012 18:31, Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.comwrote: I have seen almost entire committees wiped out in this way despite - once you looked at the lower-preference votes - them retaining wide support. The two-year term mitigates aginst this. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
