Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
On 3 August 2015 at 15:59, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Would any volunteers be keen to take a lead on this? I could give a basic Wikidata workshop, in principle, at least from my slant on things, Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
For those interested in attending, you can add your name here - https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Wikidata_training_2015 Charles, if you're keen you can add some details on that page of what the session could cover, too. Once we get enough interest we can begin planning dates etc. We can host this at Wikimedia UK to keep costs down. Thanks all, Stevie On 3 August 2015 at 16:28, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: That's excellent Charles, thank you! On 3 August 2015 at 16:24, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 3 August 2015 at 15:59, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Would any volunteers be keen to take a lead on this? I could give a basic Wikidata workshop, in principle, at least from my slant on things, Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
That's excellent Charles, thank you! On 3 August 2015 at 16:24, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 3 August 2015 at 15:59, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Would any volunteers be keen to take a lead on this? I could give a basic Wikidata workshop, in principle, at least from my slant on things, Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
On 3 August 2015 at 21:26, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 3 Aug 2015, at 16:31, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We can host this at Wikimedia UK to keep costs down. That's not the only way to keep costs down - please also think about looking for donated venues outside of London! A more central location might mean that more volunteers can attend more easily, and without the expense of traveling into central London. (I'd be interested in this, but I can't justify the ~£80 it would cost me to attend a day meeting in London). Well, if WMUK is paying trainers' travel expenses, you have to look at that as the irreducible cost, don't you? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ODNB missing women in focus
On 03/08/15 11:18, Fæ wrote: In the case of James Barry, she lived as a man but was born a woman. As this is a historical case, today's terminology (such as 'transgender') does not fit well, but certainly Barry can be accurately identified as a woman and is regularly quoted as having notability for being the first British woman doctor, albeit by deception during her life time. There is a comment here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Barry James Barry (surgeon) (c. 1790s–1865), physician with disputed gender Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ODNB missing women in focus
On 3 August 2015 at 11:04, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
After some tweaking, I ended up with 6570 names (some of them double, see
above).
Of these, 3481 matched the ODNB names in mix'n'match.
Of these, 24 are not women on Wikidata. I mage a PagePile for those:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/pagepile/api.php?id=251action=get_dataformat=html
It appears that at least some of the women on your list are not women.
Example from your list:
# {{User:Rich Farmbrough/ODNB entry|image=1|known for=army medical officer
and transvestite|born=c.1799|died=1865|forenames=James |surname=Barry}}
transvestite does, AFAIK, not qualify as woman; even if so, it would
be more a transgender case?
Quite a well-known case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Barry_(surgeon)
of a woman living as a man.
Extrapolating from this, there would be less than 50 entries in your list
(if one could extract the proper ODNB names) that are not marked as women
in Wikidata, most of them correctly so.
On the other hand, there are 6241 Wikidata items with an ODNB ID that are
marked as women [1]. Compared with your 6570, that would mean at least 329
women on Wikidata are not marked as such, or do not exist at all.
All of the ODNB items on Wikidata that are marked as human have a gender
assigned, so unless something/someone went very wrong, missing gender
assignment is not the issue. There are also no ODNB items that do not have
an instance of.
Which leaves these explanations:
* There are ~330 women in your list that are neither in Mix'n'match, nor
in Wikidata
* There are ~330 bogus women in your list
* Some combination of the above
The first bullet is probably close enough to the truth.
As women make up ~10% of the ODNB, 330 missing women in Wikidata would
mean we are missing a set of at least 3000 ODNB entries somewhere.
The inference needs tweaking, though.
Work on the women in the first edition and first two supplements should
have ensured that no missing women are from the older half (in which women
represent a lower proportion of entries). Allowing for that, we get more
like the current estimate of say 1500 to 2000 ODNB entries missing from the
first pass. (There is a plan for doing more, BTW, which I have discussed
with Andrew Gray.)
Charles
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ODNB missing women in focus
On 3 August 2015 at 08:04, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I had hoped we were beyond manual lists and English-Wikipedia-only mentality... They still have their uses, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/Longer_DNB and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dictionary_of_National_Biography#Missing_article_topical_lists within the DNB universe alone. But I can testify that these are labour-intensive efforts. Putting data into Wikidata, and pulling it out in a custom fashion via queries, is hugely slicker. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
[Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
Hello everyone, A volunteer has got in touch with me to ask about Wikidata training, mentioning the previous session that was delivered here in London. Is there any interest in a second session? If enough people are keen on attending then perhaps we could set something up? Would any volunteers be keen to take a lead on this? Thank you, Stevie -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
I would like to volunteer to help give the class. I helped do a wikidata class at WMUK before. My health is uncertain however ( I start a drug trial next week and god only knows what the side effects will be ) so you need another trainer in case I have to drop out at the last minute. Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:39 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 3 August 2015 at 16:31, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Charles, if you're keen you can add some details on that page of what the session could cover, too. I've done something brief on the page. My usual approach is to ask at the start if there are things people particularly want to cover; a bit more exciting for me in this case. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
On 3 August 2015 at 16:31, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Charles, if you're keen you can add some details on that page of what the session could cover, too. I've done something brief on the page. My usual approach is to ask at the start if there are things people particularly want to cover; a bit more exciting for me in this case. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [MCG] The MA is seeking comments on draft Code of Ethics
Hi Andy, Thanks for sending this over. I've now had time to read through this and have a couple of thoughts that might be relevant for folks on this list. As far as a formal response from Wikimedia UK goes, I will create a draft page on the Wikimedia UK wiki and encourage people to chip in if they would like to. Then, based upon that, the board can decide if they want to go ahead and respond. I'll forward over a link to the draft page shortly. In the meantime, some comments. *Section 3 - Digital and Online Engagement* I'd like to see something in here about digital content being openly licensed (either PD or CC0 if possible, CC BY-SA also fine). Could become element 3.6. I think there is also the potential to add something appropriate in the self-evaluation questions regarding considering the use of open licenses. *Section 5 - Safeguarding Collections* There's an explicit mention of public domain in 5.2: Retain items in the public domain at whichever location provides the best balance of care, context and access. If we define the internet as a location, and I think we can, then this is a persuader for museums to work with the Wikimedia projects. Helps that it is not an either / or proposition. *Section 7 - Research* 7.3 commits to making results and outputs from research publicly accessible. How can our movement make use of this commitment and content in a systematic way? *Section 13 - Digital Collections* There's nothing in here about sharing of content more widely. I think we could draft something collaboratively here that's Wikimedia- / open-friendly. If it's pitched correctly they may include in an updated draft. *Section 19 - Institutional Conduct* 19.1 stresses the need to act in the public interest. Something that I speak about often is that sharing knowledge as widely as possible, through Wikimedia projects or elsewhere, is about public benefit. Widest possible access to educational material and collections is clearly in the public interest. In summary I think this is a pretty good document. There are elements of it that we can use when making a case to museums to work closely with our movement. There are also areas where we can have a little influence, such as those above. If you'd like to be involved in drafting a response to this, Please do get involved here - https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/DRAFT:_response_to_Museums_Association_code_of_ethics Thanks and regards, Stevie On 28 July 2015 at 12:09, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Some of you may wish to comment on this draft, with regard to licensing, copytheft, access for photography, etc. A formal WikimediaUK response may also be advisable. -- Forwarded message -- From: Rebecca Atkinson rebecca.atkin...@museumsassociation.org Date: Jul 28, 2015 10:10 AM Subject: [MCG] The MA is seeking comments on draft Code of Ethics To: m...@jiscmail.ac.uk Sent on behalf of Alistair Brown (with apologies for cross-posting): The Museums Association has been working for over a year with museums professionals, sector bodies, volunteers and other interested parties to produce an updated Code of Ethics for the sector. The last full update of the Code took place in 2002, while a partial update on financially motivated disposal took place in 2007. Following a year of consultation activities and events, the MA has recently published a draft Code of Ethics for a further period of consultation with the sector. We welcome any comments on this by Friday 7th August via the MA website: http://www.museumsassociation.org/forms/draft-code-of-ethics-consultation Please do take the time to read the new code and offer constructive feedback. Many thanks, Rebecca Atkinson website: http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/ Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ukmcg Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/museumscomputergroup [un]subscribe: http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/email-list/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ODNB missing women in focus
On 3 August 2015 at 11:04, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Of these, 24 are not women on Wikidata. I mage a PagePile for those: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pagepile/api.php?id=251action=get_dataformat=html Rich's list comes well out of closer examination. Some genders were wrong (turns out Philip or Ray can be a girl). There are confusing duos, a pseudonym, a Celtic case where the ODNB is inexplicit, fictional people, and a barmaid conflated with a ballad about her. All good stuff. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training
On 3 Aug 2015, at 16:31, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We can host this at Wikimedia UK to keep costs down. That's not the only way to keep costs down - please also think about looking for donated venues outside of London! A more central location might mean that more volunteers can attend more easily, and without the expense of traveling into central London. (I'd be interested in this, but I can't justify the ~£80 it would cost me to attend a day meeting in London). Thanks, Mike___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
