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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: London Meetup on 11th December

2016-12-09 Thread Lucy Crompton-Reid

Hi all

This is just a reminder about the meetup in London on Sunday, which this
month will be a bit of a partnership with Wikimedia UK who will be putting
some money behind the bar for drinks (although not indefinitely!) Please
come and join volunteers, staff and trustees at the Penderel's Oak Pub in
Holborn, where a space has been reserved from 1pm.

The sign up page is here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/113

Best wishes
Lucy


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Gordon Joly

On 09/12/16 11:10, Andrew West wrote:
>  the lists are notable
> and of public interest because they have been featured in TV
> programmes, 


And radio too!

:-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Roger Bamkin

Thanks Lucy

On 5 December 2016 at 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Dear all
>
> As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red
> and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering with
> BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia, improve
> coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
>
> A multi-location, multilingual volunteer-led editathon will be taking
> place in various locations across the world on *Thursday 8th December. *In
> the UK, editathons will be taking place for BBC staff, presenters and
> special guests in all four nations of the UK with events in Belfast,
> Cardiff, Glasgow, London and Reading. Women in Red are also running a
> virtual editathon to involve more established editors, particularly those
> who are already working on the gender gap.
>
> You can read more about this project on the meta page, which we will be
> updating as the week continues: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_
> UK/Events/BBC_100_Women
>
> Whilst the events in the UK are primarily for BBC staff, presenters, VIPs
> and other special guests, Wikimedia UK is collating a small guest list for
> the Broadcasting House event. If you would like to attend, please email
> nicola.furn...@wikimedia.org.uk (copied in above) and let her know which
> of the following times would be best for you: 2 – 4pm, 3 – 5pm, 4 – 6pm
> or 5 – 7pm. Nicola is liaising with the BBC over capacity and will confirm
> your space ASAP.
>
> We are also exploring the potential for external guests at the events
> in Cardiff, Reading and Glasgow, so please email Nicola if you are
> interested.
>
> All best
> Lucy
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Fæ

Fortunately nobody is suggesting deletion :-) However there is a good
learning point for future projects, in that on any start of a project
the question of copyright needs to be taken on, to ensure all possible
tees are crossed and ies dotted so that volunteers can avoid getting
bogged down in post-event copyright debate.

As a counterexample to this case of probable 'accidental' copyright, a
real problem for Wikimedians has been the Wikiloves Monuments
projects. In the UK we had many long and difficult discussions about
how to access regional lists of protected monuments and deal with the
fact that many are copyrighted by institutions that actively protect
their copyright. Again, they are just lists of things, so you can do
great stuff like scrape databases and create free apps with
interactive maps of monuments, however you can't just reuse the lists
without considering whether your actions are against the potentially
enforceable copyright terms.

Fae

On 9 December 2016 at 11:10, Andrew West  wrote:
> On 9 December 2016 at 10:49, Richard Nevell
>  wrote:
>> That's interesting. How was the issue handled with A History of the World in
>> 100 Objects a few years back?
>
> I don't think that the issue was ever mentioned by anyone. In cases
> like [[A History of the World in 100 Objects]], [[Our Top Ten
> Treasures]],  and [[Britain's Secret Treasures]] the lists are notable
> and of public interest because they have been featured in TV
> programmes, and it is impossible to write an article on the subject
> without giving the listed objects. To not list the items would be an
> extreme disservice to our readers, and would not be any benefit to the
> original compilers of the lists.
>
> Personally, I think that in such cases and for 100 women where no-one
> is claiming the list as their intellectual property we should not be
> overzealous in protecting imaginary copyright concerns. I hope that
> for 100 women common sense will prevail over legalistic arguments.
>
> Andrew
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>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Andrew West

On 9 December 2016 at 10:49, Richard Nevell
 wrote:
> That's interesting. How was the issue handled with A History of the World in
> 100 Objects a few years back?

I don't think that the issue was ever mentioned by anyone. In cases
like [[A History of the World in 100 Objects]], [[Our Top Ten
Treasures]],  and [[Britain's Secret Treasures]] the lists are notable
and of public interest because they have been featured in TV
programmes, and it is impossible to write an article on the subject
without giving the listed objects. To not list the items would be an
extreme disservice to our readers, and would not be any benefit to the
original compilers of the lists.

Personally, I think that in such cases and for 100 women where no-one
is claiming the list as their intellectual property we should not be
overzealous in protecting imaginary copyright concerns. I hope that
for 100 women common sense will prevail over legalistic arguments.

Andrew
[[User:BabelStone]]

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Richard Nevell

That's interesting. How was the issue handled with *A History of the World
in 100 Objects* a few years back?

On 9 December 2016 at 10:13, Fæ  wrote:

> See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of
> data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must
> have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list
> is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia
> without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the
> copyright holder.
>
> For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by
> the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in
> its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part
> of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film
> history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing
> investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources
> elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to
> accept any differing opinion.
>
> By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she
> is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days
> she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of
> Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.
>
> Link
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_in_lists
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is
> actually
> > an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a
> lot
> > of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add
> this to
> > my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on
> > this question first.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lucy
> >
> > On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
> >> > An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and
> maybe
> >> > a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
> >> >
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_
> not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
> >> >
> >> >  Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Mike
> >>
> >> I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative
> >> Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive
> >> pressure of rights).
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
> >>
> >> So, don't hold your breath!
> >>
> >> Gordo
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Lucy Crompton-Reid

Thanks Fae, this is super helpful! By 'legal clarity' I meant 'will talk to
people in the community who know more about this than I do', rather than
'see a lawyer' :)

Will follow up early next week.

Cheers
Lucy

On 9 December 2016 at 10:13, Fæ  wrote:

> See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of
> data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must
> have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list
> is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia
> without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the
> copyright holder.
>
> For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by
> the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in
> its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part
> of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film
> history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing
> investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources
> elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to
> accept any differing opinion.
>
> By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she
> is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days
> she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of
> Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.
>
> Link
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_in_lists
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is
> actually
> > an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a
> lot
> > of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add
> this to
> > my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on
> > this question first.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lucy
> >
> > On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
> >> > An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and
> maybe
> >> > a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
> >> >
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_
> not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
> >> >
> >> >  Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Mike
> >>
> >> I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative
> >> Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive
> >> pressure of rights).
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
> >>
> >> So, don't hold your breath!
> >>
> >> Gordo
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Lucy Crompton-Reid
> >
> > Chief Executive
> >
> > Wikimedia UK
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Fæ

See [1], in short if a list can be created by repeatable analysis of
data, then it's not copyrightable, otherwise, by definition, it must
have subjective creativity and so is copyrightable. The 100 women list
is not independently repeatable, so to be published on Wikipedia
without future risk of deletion, there needs to be a release from the
copyright holder.

For the English Wikipedia, the copyright of lists was thrashed out by
the community several years ago. I became part of that discussion in
its early days as I was using lists of film box-office income as part
of a large number of articles I was creating for Bollywood film
history. I suggest the charity takes advantage of that existing
investment in volunteer time, rather than spending its resources
elsewhere, especially as the Wikipedia community would still need to
accept any differing opinion.

By the way, I worked closely with Maggie Dennis to get this right, she
is an excellent thinker on these aspects of copyright. In those days
she was an independent volunteer, but now is the WMF Director of
Support, Safety and Programs. You could always drop her a note.

Link
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_in_lists

Thanks,
Fae

On 9 December 2016 at 09:31, Lucy Crompton-Reid
 wrote:
> Hi all
>
> There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is actually
> an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a lot
> of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add this to
> my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity on
> this question first.
>
> Thanks
> Lucy
>
> On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>> On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
>> > An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe
>> > a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>>
>> I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative
>> Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive
>> pressure of rights).
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
>>
>> So, don't hold your breath!
>>
>> Gordo
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

2016-12-09 Thread Lucy Crompton-Reid

Hi all

There does seem to be some disagreement as to whether copyright is actually
an issue in the case of the list of 100 women. I will be doing quite a lot
of follow up with the BBC over the next few weeks so am happy to add this
to my list of things to discuss, however I will try to seek legal clarity
on this question first.

Thanks
Lucy

On 8 December 2016 at 23:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 08/12/16 17:32, Michael Peel wrote:
> > An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe
> > a copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_
> not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F
> >  Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
>
> I have often observed how the BBC did not adopt a standard Creative
> Commons licence but developed their own (as a result of the massive
> pressure of rights).
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/
>
> So, don't hold your breath!
>
> Gordo
>
>
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