Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 1 Dec 2013, at 03:01, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: On 30 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Actually, I despair of the entire thread. There is all of £20 at stake here. There is every reason to economise on staff time, on this scale. The waste of volunteer time and good will that has been generated is unconscionable. The object of the exercise has been completely forgotten. The objects of the charity hardly enter. Charles Absolutely. After 43 emails all we have learned that the mailing list is not a remotely efficient way of deciding how the charity should spend £20. The staff have plenty to go on, and they should be perfectly able to move ahead now without need for any further commentary. I disagree with the assertion that this thread has just been discussing an amount of £20. That could have been true if it was a thread focused on a single prize, but instead this has been talking about the general issue. Depending on how many vouchers WMUK purchases for competition prizes over the coming years, then that could easily amount to well in excess of £1,000. There’s also the intangible financial benefits from competition advertising, which is difficult to quantify. I think it’s useful to see the range of viewpoints here, and if there are people subscribed that have different viewpoints than those raised here then they shouldn’t feel forbidden from airing them here if they want to. Thanks, MIke (Again, from my work address due to technical issues, but this is my personal viewpoint.) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 2 December 2013 18:59, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.ukwrote: I think it’s useful to see the range of viewpoints here, and if there are people subscribed that have different viewpoints than those raised here then they shouldn’t feel forbidden from airing them here if they want to. Remarkably naive view of DNFTT, that. And you were asked politely not to. OK then, I have a viewpoint that the suggestion that people in an international competition should be asked to nominate what gift voucher for £10 they would like, rather than be told (your choice is good) is plain silly. One winner may want a voucher for a department store in Belize City, the other one want something denominated in Australian dollars. Exactly how much correspondence and faffing around do you want to dump on the office? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
To be honest giving the recipient the option is a good idea. I know everyone raves about john Lewis, for example. Bit I'd bin any of their vouchers instantly based on theor product acquisition practices and the way they treat contracted employees. Horrid company. Tom On 30 Nov 2013 13:05, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 30/11/2013 10:56, Deryck Chan wrote: If ubiquity is a primary concern for us, why don't we just give them a cash price? (Practicality: Use PayPal or wire transfer if the winner does not have a £ bank account) There's also multi-business gift voucher such as bonusbond if enough people really care that much. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
This is probably a good moment to remind employees and contractors of Wikimedia UK that comments about individuals or organizations that appear defamatory, may be taken as a position of the charity, especially if the charity does not take any steps to disassociate itself from published statements. Writing from personal email addresses does not automatically waive these issues, particularly considering the footers that are added to correspondence to this public list and that the use of apparently private email address are intermixed with emails from the charity's domain. I suggest that Jon Davies as the Wikimedia UK CEO, takes a moment to review whether guidelines for employees and contractors with regard to publishing potentially defamatory statements are sufficient to protect the charity. He remains free to ignore my advice of course, and having raised this as a risk when a trustee, I have no doubt this is not seen as urgent. Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 30 November 2013 16:22, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: He's being an arse because he doesn't like me because I don't roll over to his bullying and harrassment. Yawn, small minds and stuff :) Please accept my apologies for the distraction he has caused on this thread. I think the key point is that different people hold different likes and dislikes. So offering a monetary value they can take with their preferred provider is a great idea. Tom Very much in character with the public criticisms you have made of Wikimedia UK before you became a paid contractor, or attempted to run to become a trustee with the WMF. As you are currently under an employment contract with Wikimedia UK, do you believe you are suitable to be an official mouthpiece for the charity? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
Irrespective of whether or not Tom's comments reflect badly on the charity, this public bickering definitely does. It's also outside the scope of the thread. I'd suggest taking this off-list, please. Dan On 30 November 2013 17:21, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 November 2013 16:22, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: He's being an arse because he doesn't like me because I don't roll over to his bullying and harrassment. Yawn, small minds and stuff :) Please accept my apologies for the distraction he has caused on this thread. I think the key point is that different people hold different likes and dislikes. So offering a monetary value they can take with their preferred provider is a great idea. Tom Very much in character with the public criticisms you have made of Wikimedia UK before you became a paid contractor, or attempted to run to become a trustee with the WMF. As you are currently under an employment contract with Wikimedia UK, do you believe you are suitable to be an official mouthpiece for the charity? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
In general, Tom Morris’s email is spot on here. Choice is always a good approach to take, so saying £X of book vouchers of your choice would be good, although it would be best to set out a list of what their choice is (a wiki page that can easily be linked to?) so they don’t ask for one that can’t be provided. Offering cash crosses a bit of a line into a possible perception of being paid to contribute to the projects, so it’s better to avoid that. Plus, as Tom pointed out, it’s likely that book vouchers will be spent on books that are then used as references on the projects, so there’s extra benefit to the charity to offer them as prizes (this is why Amazon vouchers were chosen in the past). Thanks, Mike (who is replying from his work address since emails from my personal one still don’t make it through to the list. These viewpoints are, of course, my own.) On 30 Nov 2013, at 13:04, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 30/11/2013 10:56, Deryck Chan wrote: If ubiquity is a primary concern for us, why don't we just give them a cash price? (Practicality: Use PayPal or wire transfer if the winner does not have a £ bank account) There's also multi-business gift voucher such as bonusbond if enough people really care that much. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 30 November 2013 20:53, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Hi all, As Jonathan suggested some time ago, in the publicity we can offer a gift voucher of a given value, and allow the recipient to chose what is easiest for them. This has also been repeated once or twice. I am surprised that we can't reach consensus around this. That way WMUK is not taking a public stance as regards any business, and our private views on this or that company can be discussed elsewhere. Actually, I despair of the entire thread. There is all of £20 at stake here. There is every reason to economise on staff time, on this scale. The waste of volunteer time and good will that has been generated is unconscionable. The object of the exercise has been completely forgotten. The objects of the charity hardly enter. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
Could you explain that please? I'm not sure I understand how you arrive at that figure or where it comes from. Would be useful information. Thank you, Stevie On 29 November 2013 13:14, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 13:08, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The difference is limited in practice - the government still gets money that we don't - but it is a bit confusing to treat it as a £200,000 outgoing when we never actually see it. We can express it in a much clearer way: For every £1 you donate, less than half is spent on the stated outcomes of the charity. So, if claiming the tax back might push the charity into becoming *more* than 50% efficient, it seems worth the effort. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Stevie Benton Communications Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 29 November 2013 13:08, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Unless I've missed something, this gift aid is money we could be reclaiming from the government to supplement donations, but aren't able to. We're not actually paying it in tax. If we is WMUK, then no, we're not. But we as individuals are paying money to the taxman, which could be redirected to in WMUK/WMF coffers, but is not. What steps are the board talking, to ensure that this situation ends ASAP? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 29 November 2013 13:22, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Could you explain that please? I'm not sure I understand how you arrive at that figure or where it comes from. Would be useful information. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/WMUK/Proposal_form ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 29 November 2013 14:09, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 13:22, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Could you explain that please? I'm not sure I understand how you arrive at that figure or where it comes from. Would be useful information. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/WMUK/Proposal_form http://wikimedia.7.x6.nabble.com/Is-Slate-an-attack-site-td1045213i40.html Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
The average time it takes me to redeem an Amazon voucher is under a month. I can say from experience I hang on to John Lewis vouchers for a lot longer before needing to buy a cushion ;) I agree with that Amazon vouchers are potentially problematic, but they're also a lot more useful than many other options due to sheer ubiquity, and I think people appreciate the sense that they can be used for books don't require offline use. It's a trade-off... A. On 27 Nov 2013 14:39, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 November 2013 14:18, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: To be fair, I will be moving away from Amazon for day-to-day purchases after watching Panorama last night... it's not really feasible to move away from Amazon vouchers, but I will definitely look into how we might be able to. I have always been against giving Amazon vouchers. If you have to use vouchers, then employee-owned organizations like John-Lewis are always going to be a more ethical purchase. The TV programme was entertainment, not an analysis. Amazon did not get an opportunity to respond. In particular having been a quality manager for factory floor production, using basic statistical process control for optimizing batch pick time is not in the least bit unreasonable. Bizarrely worker break times were not mentioned (nobody works a 10 hour shift without multiple reasonable breaks), neither was the very fair process for allocating and rewarding night-work shifts. I don't know why anyone would pick stock in areas where the light were out, this was plainly a stupid thing to do, and the floor manager at the time should have asked staff to not do that and defer those jobs until the electrician had fixed those problems. It may be worth asking Amazon for a direct statement about how they respond to the criticism (from a single contract employee and from haphazardly self-selected ex-employees, that the programme was almost entirely based on). Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
Surely the easiest solution is to offer gift vouchers of the winner's choice to the value of £X and ask all the finalists what their preference is? The moral dilemma is then conveniently shuffled off onto the recipient. Anecdotally, I took me almost a year to redeem my last Amazon gift voucher - my sense of duty to the givers finally overcame my distaste for Amazon's tax avoidance; on the other hand, my John Lewis voucher was used almost immediately. You may draw the conclusion that either (i) I own a lot of cushions, or (ii) the plural of anecdote is not data. Cheers -- Rexx On 29 November 2013 20:03, Andrew Gray shimg...@gmail.com wrote: The average time it takes me to redeem an Amazon voucher is under a month. I can say from experience I hang on to John Lewis vouchers for a lot longer before needing to buy a cushion ;) I agree with that Amazon vouchers are potentially problematic, but they're also a lot more useful than many other options due to sheer ubiquity, and I think people appreciate the sense that they can be used for books don't require offline use. It's a trade-off... A. On 27 Nov 2013 14:39, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 November 2013 14:18, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: To be fair, I will be moving away from Amazon for day-to-day purchases after watching Panorama last night... it's not really feasible to move away from Amazon vouchers, but I will definitely look into how we might be able to. I have always been against giving Amazon vouchers. If you have to use vouchers, then employee-owned organizations like John-Lewis are always going to be a more ethical purchase. The TV programme was entertainment, not an analysis. Amazon did not get an opportunity to respond. In particular having been a quality manager for factory floor production, using basic statistical process control for optimizing batch pick time is not in the least bit unreasonable. Bizarrely worker break times were not mentioned (nobody works a 10 hour shift without multiple reasonable breaks), neither was the very fair process for allocating and rewarding night-work shifts. I don't know why anyone would pick stock in areas where the light were out, this was plainly a stupid thing to do, and the floor manager at the time should have asked staff to not do that and defer those jobs until the electrician had fixed those problems. It may be worth asking Amazon for a direct statement about how they respond to the criticism (from a single contract employee and from haphazardly self-selected ex-employees, that the programme was almost entirely based on). Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
That's outrageous. Why are we wasting money? On 28 Nov 2013 02:32, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: About £200,000 per year. It's a pity Amazon isn't as publicly spirited as WMUK. -- Rexx On 27 November 2013 21:38, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: How much more tax than legally required does WMUK pay? On 21 Nov 2013 09:04, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
Ask Sue Gardner. On 28/11/2013, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: That's outrageous. Why are we wasting money? On 28 Nov 2013 02:32, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: About £200,000 per year. It's a pity Amazon isn't as publicly spirited as WMUK. -- Rexx On 27 November 2013 21:38, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: How much more tax than legally required does WMUK pay? On 21 Nov 2013 09:04, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
On 28 November 2013 23:47, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Ask Sue Gardner. On 28/11/2013, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: That's outrageous. Why are we wasting money? On 28 Nov 2013 02:32, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: +1 + Ask the WMUK board about the deal. As a trustee I never even got a chance to be counted, so washed my hands clean long, long ago. It's only money I guess. Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
To be fair, I will be moving away from Amazon for day-to-day purchases after watching Panorama last night... it's not really feasible to move away from Amazon vouchers, but I will definitely look into how we might be able to. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 November 2013 18:13, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Good point Jonathan, that is the same approach we use internationally. Also, even if you do amazon, there are internationally multiple branches. Lodewijk 2013/11/21 Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk If the prize is a book token or equivalent to a certain value then you can sort out the practicalities such as Amazon v Waterstones with the winner. Naming the company at this stage is giving them publicity that we don't need to give. Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 21 November 2013 09:36, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: The winners won't necessarily be from the UK, so something like Waterstones and WHSmith might not appeal to everyone. Fabian, do you have any suggestions? On 21 November 2013 09:12, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Co-op bank? :( On 21 November 2013 09:07, Simon Knight sjgkni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes that thought had crossed my mind too, I had a quick look for alternatives, the difficulty is finding somewhere with the same broad (product) appeal. Waterstones, WHSmith? Simon -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of fab...@unpopular.org.uk Sent: 21 November 2013 09:05 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
If we give people a choice then they might well choose Amazon vouchers, but we can move immediately from promoting prizes as Amazon vouchers to promoting them as gift vouchers. From my Direct Marketing days when I was involved in running quite a few prize draws the major reason why people would use a known brand for a prize was to make the existence of the prize more credible. I would hope that we can assume that any prize draw which we run is credible. Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 27 November 2013 14:18, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: To be fair, I will be moving away from Amazon for day-to-day purchases after watching Panorama last night... it's not really feasible to move away from Amazon vouchers, but I will definitely look into how we might be able to. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 November 2013 18:13, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Good point Jonathan, that is the same approach we use internationally. Also, even if you do amazon, there are internationally multiple branches. Lodewijk 2013/11/21 Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk If the prize is a book token or equivalent to a certain value then you can sort out the practicalities such as Amazon v Waterstones with the winner. Naming the company at this stage is giving them publicity that we don't need to give. Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 21 November 2013 09:36, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: The winners won't necessarily be from the UK, so something like Waterstones and WHSmith might not appeal to everyone. Fabian, do you have any suggestions? On 21 November 2013 09:12, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Co-op bank? :( On 21 November 2013 09:07, Simon Knight sjgkni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes that thought had crossed my mind too, I had a quick look for alternatives, the difficulty is finding somewhere with the same broad (product) appeal. Waterstones, WHSmith? Simon -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of fab...@unpopular.org.uk Sent: 21 November 2013 09:05 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
How much more tax than legally required does WMUK pay? On 21 Nov 2013 09:04, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
About £200,000 per year. It's a pity Amazon isn't as publicly spirited as WMUK. -- Rexx On 27 November 2013 21:38, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: How much more tax than legally required does WMUK pay? On 21 Nov 2013 09:04, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance
Co-op bank? :( On 21 November 2013 09:07, Simon Knight sjgkni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes that thought had crossed my mind too, I had a quick look for alternatives, the difficulty is finding somewhere with the same broad (product) appeal. Waterstones, WHSmith? Simon -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of fab...@unpopular.org.uk Sent: 21 November 2013 09:05 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Amazon Tax avoidance Hi all, Can I go ahead and announce that WMUK will provide a Kobo and two Amazon vouchers? (About £70 worth of prizes in total.) Has the Amazon Tax avoidance been sorted Out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359 I am not sure that WMUK would want to be seen endorsing Amazon if this is not the case? all the best Fabian User:Leutha ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
