Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
Hi mike, many of us experienced and still experience challenges with community outreach in regions where digital literacy is not the same level known from home. But the ones there in the beginning of wikipedia know how long it took to get all the rules in place. People had a chance to influence the rules and grow with them. Today is a completely different beast. While the wikimedia beginners attitude did not change, there are numerous people facing the newbies with so much experience, and there are paid persons beeing able to dedicate all their attention to special cases, and shut new people down or out. Its good that these people do exist, as long this growing into it, imperfections allowed. Therefor this was imo handled properly. Because wmuk is now the second chapter and community supporting the Ghana movement. Because the support did not patronize the Ghana community but was on an advisory level, letting the people there grow and see for themselves. Actively involve the Ghana community might have been better than trusting some of them are subscribed to the wmuk list though. But too much perfection has two undesirable effects: it gives no chance to learn. And it demoralizes volunteers which we than loose forever. Up to now the Ghana community has been exemplary imo. In the years i participated a little in the discussions i saw A good feeling for what is important: edit or write software. A good feeling for conflicts of interest. A good feeling for usage of money. A nicely implemented strategy to slowly grow, involving different and new persons on the way. I saw things which i d handled differently, but hey, it is their community, and they need to be happy in it. You can be pretty sure that this involvement is another cornerstone in the experience Ghana wikimedia people make, and will put to use later on. So, wmuk, do it again, many thanks for this involvement. Rupert Am 01.04.2014 00:04 schrieb Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk: This strikes me as an excuse rather than a reason. Fæ's questions/points here don't seem to have been answered. :-( Thanks, Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 08:10, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away. As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is with Kwaku as a volunteer. We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not funding was involved. And for those who may be interested my 'private' email was at the request of Kwaku asking Fae to contact him directly to have any questions answered and including his contact details. On 27 March 2014 14:12, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when promoting the event.[3] In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his writing for Billboard.[4] Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount of the charity's money this cost has not been made public. With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner, who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding. No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts have ever been published or put on record. Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no additional information was provided at that time. Link 1.
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away. As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is with Kwaku as a volunteer. We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not funding was involved. And for those who may be interested my 'private' email was at the request of Kwaku asking Fae to contact him directly to have any questions answered and including his contact details. On 27 March 2014 14:12, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when promoting the event.[3] In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his writing for Billboard.[4] Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount of the charity's money this cost has not been made public. With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner, who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding. No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts have ever been published or put on record. Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no additional information was provided at that time. Link 1. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=54770oldid=54768 2. http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/GrantDetails.aspx?ID=YH-05-01416DBID=HM 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20140327135842/http://www.eventbrite.com/e/talking-wikipedia-in-ghana-tickets-10971368659?aff=es2 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboardcurid=8634849diff=601495199oldid=601426585 On 20 March 2014 13:18, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. ... I have checked with Companies House. There are no registered companies that relate to: * British Black Music (run by Kwaku) * BtWsc or MusicWrite Plus (run by K Kaywrite) I have confirmed with the Department for Culture Media Sport, that eight years ago (2006) a lottery grant of £35,000 was paid for the Brent Black Music History Project. This project was in partnership with Brent Archives. It is not yet clear which legal organization received the funds, was responsible for reporting on the project outcomes or publishing financial accounts for the monies. As an unpaid volunteer for Wikimedia UK with no authority, I have written to Brent Archives and the Heritage Lottery Fund for confirmation and any available reports. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
[Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
On 31 March 2014 08:10, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away. As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is with Kwaku as a volunteer. We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not funding was involved. It might be an idea to let one of your employees handle international events and answer questions like these when you are on holiday rather than leaving a silence. Questions were raised as far back as 20th March, which is a long time in advance of the event for there to be no answers on basic logistics or matters of governance and reputation.[1] I am puzzled by your statement that WMUK ran an editathon last year in partnership with BritishBlackMusic.com without offering to support with any expenses. For the workshop on Saturday in Accra, the UK did provide funding and official merchandizing though the amount paid or promised has not been published. I am concerned that your statement that there was no relationship with BTWSC or BritishBlackMusic.com for Saturday's workshop in Ghana as you are retrospectively contradicting the published advertizing: * Wikimedia UK's events page listed the workshop with a link of BritishBlackMusic.com_in_assn_with_BTWSC/Wikimedia_UK which is an unambiguous claim that BritishBlackMusic.com were providing it in association with Wikimedia UK.[2] * The official Eventbrite listing states that the workshop in Accra was organized by BritishBlackMusic.com and that this was officially supported by Wikimedia UK.[3] Wikimedia UK was alerted to these questions well in advance of the workshop. Why did you take no corrective action before the wokshop if the advertising by BritishBlackMusic.com falsely claimed a partnership with Wikimedia UK? Wikimedia UK did not contact the local Wikimedian community in Ghana, a significant failure to use the opportunity to create positive relationships with the proto-chapter there, or to ask them for help to ensure that the money the UK chapter was spending was put to best use. Luckily, the local community took the initiative to coordinate their own attendance and response.[4] However there are serious questions about the UK charity's management and support of this workshop: * I'm not being jealous or envious here for the Wikimedia UK 'empowering' Kwaku, but the question is, on what basis was he given such a privilege? The less than 50 edits? Or because he's black-skinned and says verbally he comes from Ghana? * Even after your asking, [no] email has *officially* come in from [Wikimedia UK]. We're just negligible in their eyes. As you have a personal interest in inter-chapter relations, you may wish to follow-up to ameliorate this damage to the reputation of the charity. As you took time to remind me 11 days ago, it is up to you what you wish to spend your time on. [Adding wikimedia-gh as I have quoted statements on that public list in this email.] Links: 1. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=54401oldid=54324 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Eventsoldid=54679 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20140327135842/http://www.eventbrite.com/e/talking-wikipedia-in-ghana-tickets-10971368659?aff=es2 4. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-gh/2014-March/001510.html Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
This strikes me as an excuse rather than a reason. Fæ's questions/points here don't seem to have been answered. :-( Thanks, Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 08:10, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away. As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is with Kwaku as a volunteer. We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not funding was involved. And for those who may be interested my 'private' email was at the request of Kwaku asking Fae to contact him directly to have any questions answered and including his contact details. On 27 March 2014 14:12, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when promoting the event.[3] In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his writing for Billboard.[4] Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount of the charity's money this cost has not been made public. With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner, who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding. No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts have ever been published or put on record. Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no additional information was provided at that time. Link 1. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=54770oldid=54768 2. http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/GrantDetails.aspx?ID=YH-05-01416DBID=HM 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20140327135842/http://www.eventbrite.com/e/talking-wikipedia-in-ghana-tickets-10971368659?aff=es2 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboardcurid=8634849diff=601495199oldid=601426585 On 20 March 2014 13:18, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. ... I have checked with Companies House. There are no registered companies that relate to: * British Black Music (run by Kwaku) * BtWsc or MusicWrite Plus (run by K Kaywrite) I have confirmed with the Department for Culture Media Sport, that eight years ago (2006) a lottery grant of £35,000 was paid for the Brent Black Music History Project. This project was in partnership with Brent Archives. It is not yet clear which legal organization received the funds, was responsible for reporting on the project outcomes or publishing financial accounts for the monies. As an unpaid volunteer for Wikimedia UK with no authority, I have written to Brent Archives and the Heritage Lottery Fund for confirmation and any available reports. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when promoting the event.[3] In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his writing for Billboard.[4] Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount of the charity's money this cost has not been made public. With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner, who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding. No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts have ever been published or put on record. Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no additional information was provided at that time. Link 1. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=54770oldid=54768 2. http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/GrantDetails.aspx?ID=YH-05-01416DBID=HM 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20140327135842/http://www.eventbrite.com/e/talking-wikipedia-in-ghana-tickets-10971368659?aff=es2 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboardcurid=8634849diff=601495199oldid=601426585 On 20 March 2014 13:18, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. ... I have checked with Companies House. There are no registered companies that relate to: * British Black Music (run by Kwaku) * BtWsc or MusicWrite Plus (run by K Kaywrite) I have confirmed with the Department for Culture Media Sport, that eight years ago (2006) a lottery grant of £35,000 was paid for the Brent Black Music History Project. This project was in partnership with Brent Archives. It is not yet clear which legal organization received the funds, was responsible for reporting on the project outcomes or publishing financial accounts for the monies. As an unpaid volunteer for Wikimedia UK with no authority, I have written to Brent Archives and the Heritage Lottery Fund for confirmation and any available reports. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
They are an independent organisation with whom we have worked and hope to continue to work. We are not currently funding them in any way. We do have an active member of the chapter associated with them, (who has declared any potential conflicts of interest) who is working with us to promote Wikimedia projects in line with our programme. As to their status on their website they state: BritishBlackMusic.com (BBM) is an online resource providing information about music, music business, and music business education with a bias towards British and black music. Its off-line activities include cultural industries research, consultancy, music business courses, and it organises seminars, conferences, and the Black Music Congress (BMC) debates. If you want to know more I suggest you contact them. Jon. On 19 March 2014 22:36, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Could someone explain if there is a partnership agreement on record with BBM or BTWSC and whether these are registered commercial or non-profit organizations? Links: 1. http://britishblackmusic.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=29Itemid=37 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Main_Pagediff=54372oldid=54325rcid=curid=315 3. http://britishblackmusic.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=34Itemid=41 4. http://www.btwsc.com/ 5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_African_diaspora/Black_British_Music_Editathon Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
On 20 March 2014 10:39, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: They are an independent organisation with whom we have worked and hope to continue to work. We are not currently funding them in any way. We do have an active member of the chapter associated with them, (who has declared any potential conflicts of interest) who is working with us to promote Wikimedia projects in line with our programme. ... This would appear a significant reputational risk to the charity and a failure in governance if no attempt has been made to do basic checks before promoting joint events with commercial organizations. I believe neither organization is registered currently with Companies House, and and may be for-profit unregistered organizations enjoying direct benefit from commercial advertising. As well as BBM working to promote Wikimedia projects, the reverse is true as Wikimedia UK, as a national registered charity, is directly promoting the website, http://www.britishblackmusic.com, making it a more valuable internet property. As a past Chairman of the charity, I find it disappointing that Wikimedia UK and its current board of trustees has chosen to perfer uncertainty with regard to its public partnerships and has left it to unpaid volunteers to ask the most basic questions. As you suggest, sometime this week I shall take the responsibility of writing to Mr. Kwaku (Black Music Congress) the owner of BBM,[1] and K Kaywrite (MusicWrite Plus) the owner of BTWSC[2] and confirm their status. I believe they already follow this email list, however as an early head's up, I have copied WMF Legal into this email. Links: 1. http://whois.domaintools.com/britishblackmusic.com 2. http://whois.domaintools.com/btwsc.com Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
We checked their bona fides before we first worked with them and found no risk. They are funded by the National Lottery Heritage Lottery Fund and promoted by Brent Council and have some prominent supporters such as Paul Boateng. This would indicate that, as we believe, they are a legitimate orgnasisation and a proper one for us to work with. Jon On 20 March 2014 11:04, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 10:39, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: They are an independent organisation with whom we have worked and hope to continue to work. We are not currently funding them in any way. We do have an active member of the chapter associated with them, (who has declared any potential conflicts of interest) who is working with us to promote Wikimedia projects in line with our programme. ... This would appear a significant reputational risk to the charity and a failure in governance if no attempt has been made to do basic checks before promoting joint events with commercial organizations. I believe neither organization is registered currently with Companies House, and and may be for-profit unregistered organizations enjoying direct benefit from commercial advertising. As well as BBM working to promote Wikimedia projects, the reverse is true as Wikimedia UK, as a national registered charity, is directly promoting the website, http://www.britishblackmusic.com, making it a more valuable internet property. As a past Chairman of the charity, I find it disappointing that Wikimedia UK and its current board of trustees has chosen to perfer uncertainty with regard to its public partnerships and has left it to unpaid volunteers to ask the most basic questions. As you suggest, sometime this week I shall take the responsibility of writing to Mr. Kwaku (Black Music Congress) the owner of BBM,[1] and K Kaywrite (MusicWrite Plus) the owner of BTWSC[2] and confirm their status. I believe they already follow this email list, however as an early head's up, I have copied WMF Legal into this email. Links: 1. http://whois.domaintools.com/britishblackmusic.com 2. http://whois.domaintools.com/btwsc.com Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 20 March 2014 11:13, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We checked their bona fides before we first worked with them and found no risk. They are funded by the National Lottery Heritage Lottery Fund and promoted by Brent Council and have some prominent supporters such as Paul Boateng. This would indicate that, as we believe, they are a legitimate orgnasisation and a proper one for us to work with. Jon Sorry, your statement is confusing. Your last email appeared to indicate that no checks had been made and that I should do it myself if I had any questions. Apart from looking at the BBM and BTWSC websites (which appear unmaintained for several years), precisely what checks did Wikimedia UK ensure before holding a joint event in 2013 and promoting another in 2014. For example did you or one of your employees check whether they are registered at Companies House or ask whether the two organizations comply with UK regulations for not for profits? I would like to know before duplicating your work. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. They were. If they ever applied for something like a Wikimedian in Residence we would institute checks at an appropriate level. It is up to you what you wish to spend your time on. On 20 March 2014 11:21, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:13, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We checked their bona fides before we first worked with them and found no risk. They are funded by the National Lottery Heritage Lottery Fund and promoted by Brent Council and have some prominent supporters such as Paul Boateng. This would indicate that, as we believe, they are a legitimate orgnasisation and a proper one for us to work with. Jon Sorry, your statement is confusing. Your last email appeared to indicate that no checks had been made and that I should do it myself if I had any questions. Apart from looking at the BBM and BTWSC websites (which appear unmaintained for several years), precisely what checks did Wikimedia UK ensure before holding a joint event in 2013 and promoting another in 2014. For example did you or one of your employees check whether they are registered at Companies House or ask whether the two organizations comply with UK regulations for not for profits? I would like to know before duplicating your work. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. They were. If they ever applied for something like a Wikimedian in Residence we would institute checks at an appropriate level. Thank you for the clarification. I believe this is fair to read as official confirmation from the CEO that Wikimedia UK has run no checks on these event partners before publicly promoting the partnership, apart from looking at the self-created out of date websites. It is up to you what you wish to spend your time on. Thank you for confirming my independence, that is kind of you to say. Should Wikimedia UK now be choose to put effort into running background checks on these organizations, I would appreciate it if they were publicly shared. I would rather not use my limited unpaid volunteer time to duplicate the work of paid employees. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com
On 20 March 2014 11:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon. ... I have checked with Companies House. There are no registered companies that relate to: * British Black Music (run by Kwaku) * BtWsc or MusicWrite Plus (run by K Kaywrite) I have confirmed with the Department for Culture Media Sport, that eight years ago (2006) a lottery grant of £35,000 was paid for the Brent Black Music History Project. This project was in partnership with Brent Archives. It is not yet clear which legal organization received the funds, was responsible for reporting on the project outcomes or publishing financial accounts for the monies. As an unpaid volunteer for Wikimedia UK with no authority, I have written to Brent Archives and the Heritage Lottery Fund for confirmation and any available reports. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
