Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 18/10/12 00:11, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: Truth. I just checked wherehttp://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org/ believes my (fixed) IP addresses are. Truro is the response! (I'm actually just north of London). Geolocation has been something of an interest of mine for a few years and whilst sub-country details can be good in, for example, the USA, it is poor to useless in the UK (and thus something I am working on improving). Some GeoIP services are more accurate for me. IPv6, btw, will make the issue more difficult initially, primarily because of the use of tunneling. AlisonW Indeed. I once suggested the multicast (Class D IP addressing) might help with issuing geonotices. But I am told that multicast is not longer tied to geographic location, or location as measured by TTL (time to live) or hops in the network. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles Done. (Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 16/10/12 13:24, Thomas Dalton wrote: It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based. Not the datacenter (first hop)? I did find that one IP address said Bank, which is the registered off of BT (well St. Paul's). Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
What Tom said. Also, these meetups are often of interest to peopld further afield, and perhaps they might inspire somebody to set one up in their neck of the woods if there isn't one near them. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 13:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices. On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles Done. (Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.) It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
so what can i do? But is it true the google make a winner to the e-mail programs? De : HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com À : UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Envoyé le : Mardi 16 octobre 2012 13h18 Objet : Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices. What Tom said. Also, these meetups are often of interest to peopld further afield, and perhaps they might inspire somebody to set one up in their neck of the woods if there isn't one near them. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 13:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices. On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to the current notice? Charles Done. (Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.) It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP is based. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org/___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that. Cheers, Craig Franklin On 15/10/2012 9:56 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: I have problem with geonotices. I cannot see them (in my watchlist). Tried Chrome on Ubuntu, Firefox on a Mac, and still I cannot see them. My IP address is clearly in the UK range (in London, I believe). I have tried different skins, added some CSS, created a new account. Still no luck. Any thoughts? Am I the only one? Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote: Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that. Cheers, Craig Franklin I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool? Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Hi Gorgo, What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The database is usually pretty accurate. Harry -- Harry Burt On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote: Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that. Cheers, Craig Franklin I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool? Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me. Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
(Location-wise, I mean. No need to publish your IP if you don't want to.) Harry On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Harry Burt harryab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gorgo, What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The database is usually pretty accurate. Harry -- Harry Burt On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.comwrote: On 15/10/12 13:28, Craig Franklin wrote: Geonotices are only as good as the database underneath. If the IP database doesn't think you're in London, no amount of tinkering with skins will fix that. Cheers, Craig Franklin I see. So in what sense is this a good communications tool? Can I enter an IP address range into the database? I am sure thousands of BT Infinity customers would thank me. Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
On 15/10/12 14:07, Harry Burt wrote:
Hi Gorgo,
What does http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org report for you? The
database is usually pretty accurate.
Harry
Geo =
{city:London,country:GB,lat:51.514198,lon:-0.093100,IP:86.157.yyy.xxx,netmask:22}
Looks like that is correct then(I have hidden my actuall IP).
Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works... Huzzah! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works... Huzzah! Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Yes, most kludges need that level of TLC. Gordo On 15/10/12 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote: Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works... Huzzah! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org mailto:wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
Geonotices are known for being... temperamental. The MediaWiki page is very fragile and a single character out of place can break it, and obviously the database is imperfect. They work pretty well, but they're not 100% reliable, so cases like this aren't unheard of. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 15:43 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices. Yes, most kludges need that level of TLC. Gordo On 15/10/12 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote: Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP address, and it works... Huzzah! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices
Hello, There's currently a a discussion on the English Wikipedia concerning the technicalities of geonotice accuracy, and the creation of additional guidelines on geonotices. Please join the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Geonotice#Draft_guideline . Deryck ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices
On 2 March 2012 01:17, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: [Geonotices] (PS, if there are any enwiki admins who don't know how to put up a geonotice, just copy and paste from this diff and change the message to the message you want, the start date to the current date and time, and the end date to the day of the event!) I don't do javscript, but it looks like it should be trivially easy to add an hCalendar microformat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hCalendar to that, to make the events downloadable as iCal files. Could you or anyone work with me on that? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices
I'm afraid I'd be *way* out of my depth on anything like that. Sorry. Harry From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 9:07 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices On 2 March 2012 01:17, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: [Geonotices] (PS, if there are any enwiki admins who don't know how to put up a geonotice, just copy and paste from this diff and change the message to the message you want, the start date to the current date and time, and the end date to the day of the event!) I don't do javscript, but it looks like it should be trivially easy to add an hCalendar microformat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hCalendar to that, to make the events downloadable as iCal files. Could you or anyone work with me on that? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices
Hi all, I'd be grateful if any enwiki admins could add themselves to the list at the bottom of http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Geonotices. Geonotices for some events have been a bit hap hazard lately, with some going up at very short notice. I don't think every event or meetup needs a geonotice, but I'm hoping to use that page to track our use of them and to provide somewhere for folks to make uncontroversial requests for one that will hopefully get a faster response than the existing mechanisms on enwiki, as well as a list of admins who can be bugged for urgent requests. Don't worry, it doesn't involve anything too much like work - if anyone organises an event they want to bring to the attention of the wider WP community, they can list it there, and somebody will hopefully sort it. Cheers, Harry (PS, if there are any enwiki admins who don't know how to put up a geonotice, just copy and paste from this diff and change the message to the message you want, the start date to the current date and time, and the end date to the day of the event!)___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
