Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On 01/02/13 11:05, Richard Symonds wrote: Not quite - I think Wales got involved . Jimbo? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
To give a sense of scale until someone finds more accurate data, according to http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryBreakdown.htm and http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm 94% of edits from the UK are on the English Wikipedia, and 6% to the other languages; and about the same is true for readers. Also, according to: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm , http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm 2% of edits to the Polish Wikipedia come from the UK, and about 1.5% of the readers; if I read the page right. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Damokos Bence Wikimédia Magyarország http://wikimedia.hu http://wiki.media.hu/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
The detailed breakdowns (quite large pages): http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdownHuge.htm#United%20Kingdom http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryBreakdownHuge.htm#United%20Kingdom About 0.6% of both views and edits in the United Kingdom are to the Polish Wikipedia, indeed putting it in second place. I think this has been the case for a while, I remember noticing it mid-2011 when looking up language data for fundraising. A couple of other interesting things to note from these statistics: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. None of the South Asian languages mentioned in the Guardian article appear in either the views or edits. Pete / the wub On 30 January 2013 15:12, Damokos Bence damokos.be...@wikimedia.hu wrote: To give a sense of scale until someone finds more accurate data, according to http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryBreakdown.htm and http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm 94% of edits from the UK are on the English Wikipedia, and 6% to the other languages; and about the same is true for readers. Also, according to: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm , http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm 2% of edits to the Polish Wikipedia come from the UK, and about 1.5% of the readers; if I read the page right. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Damokos Bence Wikimédia Magyarország http://wikimedia.hu http://wiki.media.hu/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
The Welsh editors don't usually read this list - at least, not all of them - although a few do. A good person to get in touch with is User:Llewellyn2000. He's been really spearheading the Welsh Wicipedia outreach - it's fantastic. You can have a bit of a read of what we've been doing so far in the following posts: http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/08/wikimedia-uk-wicipedia-cymraeg-and-the-national-eisteddfod/, and http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/01/wonderful-work-by-wicipedia-cymraeg-gwaith-ardderchog-gan-wicipedia-cymraeg/ Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 30 January 2013 16:42, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
There's a WIkimedia IE list - any of its readers here? On 30 January 2013 16:49, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
Another bit of data - active editors of PLWP outside Poland, in several likely countries: http://global-dev.wmflabs.org/graphs/plwp_active (slow to load; hover over the lines to get the legend) for comparison, PLWP enjoys ~1.3k active editors from Poland. A. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: The detailed breakdowns (quite large pages): http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdownHuge.htm#United%20Kingdom http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryBreakdownHuge.htm#United%20Kingdom About 0.6% of both views and edits in the United Kingdom are to the Polish Wikipedia, indeed putting it in second place. I think this has been the case for a while, I remember noticing it mid-2011 when looking up language data for fundraising. A couple of other interesting things to note from these statistics: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. None of the South Asian languages mentioned in the Guardian article appear in either the views or edits. Pete / the wub On 30 January 2013 15:12, Damokos Bence damokos.be...@wikimedia.huwrote: To give a sense of scale until someone finds more accurate data, according to http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerCountryBreakdown.htm and http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm 94% of edits from the UK are on the English Wikipedia, and 6% to the other languages; and about the same is true for readers. Also, according to: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm , http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageBreakdown.htm 2% of edits to the Polish Wikipedia come from the UK, and about 1.5% of the readers; if I read the page right. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Damokos Bence Wikimédia Magyarország http://wikimedia.hu http://wiki.media.hu/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, David Gerard wrote: On 30 January 2013 16:39, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: Welsh gets 0.4% of all UK edits, putting it in 5th place, but doesn't even register for number of views (i.e. is less than 0.1%). Maybe we need to do more to promote its visibility. Definitely. Who here speaks Welsh? Who's on cy:wp? I can read basic Welsh, but my command of the language isn't enough to usefully contribute in it. Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On 30 January 2013 16:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: There's a WIkimedia IE list - any of its readers here? I'm on the WM IE list - very little traffic there. Apart from a cross-posted email asking for chapter's mailing addresses for a christmas card (there isn't an Irish chapter, although it has been discussed, so I think it was sent to that list by mistake) there has been nothing since June 2012. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
Oh don't undersell the welsh Wicipedia - its the most popular web site in Welsh and we get access to Education ministers and top cultural bodies. But Peter, thanks for finding that detail. Nice to see the spread of languages. On 30 January 2013 16:49, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the second language of Ireland. WSC On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too. On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing? Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Victuallers Ltd 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On 30/01/13 19:00, Roger Bamkin wrote: Oh don't undersell the welsh Wicipedia - its the most popular web site in Welsh and we get access to Education ministers and top cultural bodies. But Peter, thanks for finding that detail. Nice to see the spread of languages. By the way, if anyone's interested and in a position to help, I just took a look on my phone, and saw that the mobile version of the Welsh Wikipedia front page is currently broken, with no content other than the framing content provided by the mobile interface... Neil ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language
On 30 Jan 2013, at 22:46, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: On 30/01/13 19:00, Roger Bamkin wrote: Oh don't undersell the welsh Wicipedia - its the most popular web site in Welsh and we get access to Education ministers and top cultural bodies. But Peter, thanks for finding that detail. Nice to see the spread of languages. By the way, if anyone's interested and in a position to help, I just took a look on my phone, and saw that the mobile version of the Welsh Wikipedia front page is currently broken, with no content other than the framing content provided by the mobile interface... I think this needs an admin of the Welsh Wicipedia to make some changes to the formatting of the main page, as per the guidelines at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Mobile_Gateway/Mobile_homepage_formatting Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
