Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
You know, here in Edinburgh I could find dozens of venues where it might be a pub, but allowed those under 18; or, it was open to all, but also served alcohol. What I never-ever-ever want is the same venue as we had today. I've been in better-presented student squats, that were fighting eviction; with better-quality coffee, better chairs (not ones that looked as-if they were stolen out a skip), and with walls where the plaster was not - for want of a better description - rotting. Starbucks would've been better than The Brew Lab, so no more Edinburgh Wikimeets in there please! Took them 20 minutes to make me a coffee, they'd no change when I went to pay with a £5 note, and they still insisted on charging the 30p card fee when I paid that way to help them out. I could readily buy a pint of small-batch, hand-brewed, craft ale for less than they wanted for a mediocre coffee in a venue where you wonder if plugging into an electrical socket will make your hair stand on end. Had I not been there for a meeting, I would've read them their character, called them on the place being an utter shit-hole, and left. I'm glad I did not try to encourage the Glasgow Openstreetmap crowd, or Edinburgh Linux group, to come along; I would've been near-mortally embarrassed. On 22.09.2014 14:01, Charles Matthews wrote: On 22 September 2014 13:53, rexx wrote: We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - its easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins. On a point of detail, the Cambridge meetup is in a brasserie-type place, rather than a pub (we head off to a pub later if folk want). And it starts middle of the afternoon, which is between midday and early evening peak times. The pub-or-not debate seems quite significant to me, as the community-and-how-to-grow-it debate in microcosm. If you understand why a meetup that starts in a pub will always be in a pub, you have a clue why entrenched cultural factors in the online community also seem quite stubborn. Charles Links: -- [1] mailto:r...@blueyonder.co.uk -- Brian McNeil -- Wikinewsie.org | http://wikinewsie.org | https://en.wikinews.org Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news. GPG Fingerprint: 7C3D FFD5 5ED5 B80F 1D18 A52B E84C 8928 6ABC A7AD ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there? Regarding the Manchester meet, would you be happy to offer training and a welcome to newbies that come on the day? Thank you, Stevie On 18 September 2014 19:03, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well. Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th? Thanks, Mike On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening. It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there? Not to be a wet blanket without reason - but no one actually came to the meetup because of the coverage. A couple of people were there by personal invitation. Worth thinking over. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
Still worth doing - getting people to know we exist is a good start. How was it - was there a good turn-out? On 22 September 2014 12:34, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there? Not to be a wet blanket without reason - but no one actually came to the meetup because of the coverage. A couple of people were there by personal invitation. Worth thinking over. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
The MEN would certainly be a good place to approach. Even if people don't turn up because of the piece, it might do a little to raise awareness. On 22 September 2014 12:27, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Not sure how it would work on a donor level - maybe Katherine or Stuart may have some thoughts - but I can certainly send something to an appropriate Manchester outlet. Is the Manchester Evening News still the go to outlet up there? Regarding the Manchester meet, would you be happy to offer training and a welcome to newbies that come on the day? Thank you, Stevie On 18 September 2014 19:03, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well. Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th? Thanks, Mike On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening. It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Richard Nevell Assistant Office Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
On 22 September 2014 12:44, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Still worth doing - getting people to know we exist is a good start. How was it - was there a good turn-out? I always write up the page afterwards: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Cambridge/23 So there were 10 of us, which is about what I would have guessed. Two or three had travelled quite a way, one was a contact from a workshop. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
I'd also say that a noisy pub isn't the most welcoming of venues for people new to the movement as well. On 22 September 2014 12:55, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 22 September 2014 12:52, Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: But while a meetup is a great place for a five minute lesson on a tool like hotcat, or a 5 minute chat about a specific problem, a noisy pub isn't a suitable venue for an hour long training session for a new editor. Indeed. Another point worth thinking about. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - it's easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins. -- Rexx On 22 September 2014 12:58, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I'd also say that a noisy pub isn't the most welcoming of venues for people new to the movement as well. On 22 September 2014 12:55, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 22 September 2014 12:52, Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: But while a meetup is a great place for a five minute lesson on a tool like hotcat, or a 5 minute chat about a specific problem, a noisy pub isn't a suitable venue for an hour long training session for a new editor. Indeed. Another point worth thinking about. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
On 22 September 2014 13:53, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: We have pubs in Oxford, Coventry, Cambridge, Manchester and now Liverpool that are usually relatively quiet and uncrowded, so conversation is much easier. Dan Haigh and I have done informal initial training a couple of times in the pub - it's easy enough one-to-one and you can get a new editor started in 20-30 mins. On a point of detail, the Cambridge meetup is in a brasserie-type place, rather than a pub (we head off to a pub later if folk want). And it starts middle of the afternoon, which is between midday and early evening peak times. The pub-or-not debate seems quite significant to me, as the community-and-how-to-grow-it debate in microcosm. If you understand why a meetup that starts in a pub will always be in a pub, you have a clue why entrenched cultural factors in the online community also seem quite stubborn. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain. On 18 September 2014 10:58, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening. It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts? That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Hi Charles Thanks for thinking of WLM! Can we add details of the walk to the events tab, here: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/events Michael On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:58, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 18 September 2014 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening. It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts? That was via a Stevie Benton press release from the WMUK office. The meetup is standard, but I tacked on the walk before it in honour of Wiki Loves Monuments. So it's not a major story, but perhaps something a local paper with go with once. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
On 18 September 2014 11:08, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain. It occurs to me to ask for cheatsheets in the post. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Sure. I can send you some welcome booklets and annual reviews, too. I'll make sure they get sent today. On 18 September 2014 12:25, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 18 September 2014 11:08, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Great stuff - well done all. Hope it doesn't rain. It occurs to me to ask for cheatsheets in the post. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?
This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well. Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on the 27th? Thanks, Mike On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening. It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our readers) along. Thoughts? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
