Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that. Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial listhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Attendees on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event. On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Where is the list going to be published? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice! Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that. Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event. On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Where is the list going to be published? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
would be - i.e. hypothetical scenario. Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no. Fae On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: Fae, I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made. Thanks, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations. Fae On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice! Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that. Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event. On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Where is the list going to be published? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often. Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place. Michael On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: would be - i.e. hypothetical scenario. Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no. Fae On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: Fae, I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made. Thanks, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations. Fae On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice! Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that. Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event. On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Where is the list going to be published? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
I don't think anybody is suggesting you link somebody's real-life identity to their Wikimedia username against their wishes (unless there's context that I've missed). I'm suggesting you should publish whatever information the recipient is comfortable with, unless they're not comfortable with anything being published. I can also understand why some people might not want their presence at a particular event to be known in advance (for example if they're worried about harassment), but that information could easily be published after the event if the recipient were comfortable with that. We should be transparent whenever there is no good reason to be opaque - it will inspire confidence in WMUK, it's one less stick with which we can be beaten, and it's the best (perhaps only) way to prove that the process is not corrupt or nepotistic. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:48, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: 1 Many Wikimedians want to keep their userid and real name separate - even when attending events. 2 The way to encourage applicants to be open about this is not to then criticise those who get scholarships. Instead make sure we have the right people on a scholarship committee. There are many checks and balances and sometimes needs to protect individuals. That is an important factor in getting the appropriate level of transparency. On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often. Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place. Michael On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: would be - i.e. hypothetical scenario. Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no. Fae On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: Fae, I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made. Thanks, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations. Fae On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice! Mike On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that. Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event. On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Where is the list going to be published? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
I agree with others that when a scholarship/grant is made involving non-trivial travel and living expenses such as air fares and hotels, the recipients should be identified, if only by username. Exceptions to this should be made very sparingly, and for very good reasons. If individuals attending Wikimania or other events don't want to be named on any basis, that is their business, though I found it frustrating in Washington in 2012 that no such list was available, even just in print at the event. I hope this year's Wikimania will at least make a list of those who don't mind their presence being public, or available to other attendees. John Johnbod --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding. Regards, Katie On 26 March 2014 16:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 13 March 2014 14:08, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already! What was the uptake like? Annoyingly, I didn't think I'd be free, but now find that I am. *kicks self* -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
On 13 March 2014 14:08, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already! What was the uptake like? Annoyingly, I didn't think I'd be free, but now find that I am. *kicks self* -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already! Katie On 26 February 2014 18:45, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Wikimedia UK will be offering two to three scholarshipshttps://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_scholarshipsto the international Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürichhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014this year. Application will be taken through the registration page for the Hackathon. The deadline for application is 16 March. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Looking forward to seeing your applications, Katie -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
On 13/03/14 14:08, Katie Chan wrote: A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already Who cares about deadlines? And I have had two remainders already! :-) Gordon ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
[Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships
Hi all, Wikimedia UK will be offering two to three scholarshipshttps://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_scholarshipsto the international Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürichhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014this year. Application will be taken through the registration page for the Hackathon. The deadline for application is 16 March. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Looking forward to seeing your applications, Katie -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
