Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Big news - Lord Lester has officially tabled a libel reform bill

2010-05-28 Thread AGK
On 27 May 2010 19:48, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 On the surface, it looks reasonable for Wikimedia (meaning the WMF
 primarily, but also WMUK if we ever assist with hosting), as we'd fall
 straight under 9.1a as a facilitator and hence would clearly not be liable.
 I have to admit to not being familiar with the details of existing law on
 this, but presumably it's a lot more unclear.

The probability that this specific bill will go anywhere past a second
reading is quite small. But IIRC the new government intends this term
to review defamation law in England (I presume separately from Lord
Lester's efforts), so this is far from a lost cause—and with the
ferocity of the libelreform.org campaign, I can't see it ever becoming
so.

Today is certainly a good time to be part of the free culture movement.

AGK

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Big news - Lord Lester has officially tabled a libel reform bill

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
Keep in mind that Private Members bills almost never pass. This will
draw attention to the issue, nothing more.

On 27 May 2010 19:48, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 Hi all,
 I'm forwarding the email below as it affects Wikimedia a bit, due to the
 following (extracted from Anthony Lester's Guardian article):
 The Bill sets out the circumstances in which an internet service provider
 or forum host should not be liable for defamatory material and sets time
 limits on suing.

 The details can be found online at:
 http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/defamationhl.html
 The appropriate section is section 9, Responsibility for publication.
 On the surface, it looks reasonable for Wikimedia (meaning the WMF
 primarily, but also WMUK if we ever assist with hosting), as we'd fall
 straight under 9.1a as a facilitator and hence would clearly not be liable.
 I have to admit to not being familiar with the details of existing law on
 this, but presumably it's a lot more unclear.
 Mike
 Begin forwarded message:

 From: n...@libelreform.org
 Date: 27 May 2010 15:31:49 GMT+01:00
 To: libelref...@mikepeel.net
 Subject: Big news - Lord Lester has officially tabled a libel reform bill



 Dear friends



 A Libel Reform Bill has been tabled in the House of Lords

 Lord Lester QC has published a Private Members’ Defamation Bill to
 reform England’s outdated and unjust libel laws. This is the first attempt
 in over a century to put forward a wholesale redraft of our libel laws to
 address many of the issues our campaign has highlighted.

 Lord Lester’s Bill covers a great deal of the recommendations of the Libel
 Reform Campaign including a statutory defence for responsible publication on
 a matter of public interest; clarifying the defences of justification and
 fair comment, which will be renamed as ‘truth’ and ‘honest opinion’.

 The Bill will also:

 require claimants to provide evidence their reputation was damaged by an
 alleged libel before they can bring a case forward (they don’t have to do
 this at present) and make corporations prove financial damage before they
 can sue.
 Address the problems introduced by the rise of the internet and the culture
 of online publication including the multiple publication rule that makes
 each download a fresh instance of libel, and alter the responsibility of
 forum hosts for what is posted on their sites.
 Encourage the speedy settlement of disputes without parties having to bring
 in costly lawyers.
 Promote the speedy settlement of disputes without recourse to the courts.

 There is a great piece by Lord Lester on why he is doing this now here.

 And Simon Singh has written his thoughts on the bill here.

 Thanks to your support we’ve made the case that libel law reform is an issue
 politicians know they have to act on.



 There is widespread Parliamentary support for reform … the majority of
 eligible MPs signed up to an EDM supporting libel law reform in the last
 Parliament.

 There were general election manifesto commitments to reform from the
 Conservatives and Liberal Democrats, and Labour.

 Now, there is a coalition Government promise to reform the libel laws in the
 Queen’s Speech …



 …But we need new libel laws!

 In light of Lord Lester’s Bill, the Libel Reform Campaign is asking: will
 the Government now make clear its plans for reform? Will it support, adopt
 or develop this Bill?

 Help us keep the pressure on. Write to your MP asking them what the
 Government intends to do.

 Best,



 Mike and Síle

 PS - for more details of the bill and complete coverage
 see www.libelreform.org

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Big news - Lord Lester has officially tabled a libel reform bill

2010-05-27 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
On 27/05/2010 20:18, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 Keep in mind that Private Members bills almost never pass. This will
 draw attention to the issue, nothing more.

Well, the government has said it's going to reform libel law. It's just 
a question of when and how far

KTC

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