Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Re: CC licenses for PhD theses

2017-05-05 Thread Gordon Joly 


Are there not some MailMan rules about the number of addresses in the
CC: and TO: fields?

Also consider SPF and DKIM and DMARC w.r.t the sender?

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>From: domain publishes a DMARC p=reject or p=quarantine policy, see the
dmarc_moderation_action description in the Sender filters section.
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Who checks "quarantined" emails for the domain "lists.wikimedia.org"?

Gordo

On 05/05/17 14:42, David Gerard wrote:
> I can tell you it didn't get stuck in the admin queue or I would have
> let it through ... I don't *think* the Mailman system is set up to
> reject mail before it even hits the admin queue, but I could be wrong
> ...
> 
> On 5 May 2017 at 14:32,   wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is the email I sent on Tuesday, which as far as I can see never went
>> through the list (apologies if it has, but there is no record on the
>> archive)
>>
>> all the best
>>
>> Fabian
>>
>> aka Leutha
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: leu...@fabiant.eu
>> To: Lucy Crompton-Reid , UK Wikimedia
>> mailing list 
>> Cc: John Lubbock 
>> Date: 02 May 2017 at 20:49
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CC licenses for PhD theses
>>
>> Hi Lucy,


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Re: CC licenses for PhD theses

2017-05-05 Thread David Gerard 
I can tell you it didn't get stuck in the admin queue or I would have
let it through ... I don't *think* the Mailman system is set up to
reject mail before it even hits the admin queue, but I could be wrong
...

On 5 May 2017 at 14:32,   wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is the email I sent on Tuesday, which as far as I can see never went
> through the list (apologies if it has, but there is no record on the
> archive)
>
> all the best
>
> Fabian
>
> aka Leutha
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: leu...@fabiant.eu
> To: Lucy Crompton-Reid , UK Wikimedia
> mailing list 
> Cc: John Lubbock 
> Date: 02 May 2017 at 20:49
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CC licenses for PhD theses
>
> Hi Lucy,
>
> Yes, you're right I hadn't read your email until after I had sent my post.
>
> Of course, I am happy for John to do some work with the universities, but
> here are other areas which I feel get neglected.
>
> I am sorry if my sense of frustration over OTRS comes over a bit strong, but
> it arises as much from the inflexibility of the OTRS community as anything
> else. This is an area where I would like to see us pushing for
> organisational change within our own community.
>
> I feel Fae made some good point, and perhaps there's a way forward their in
> some respects.
>
> I would appreciate the opportunity to have chat with you on the phone, when
> it is convenient for you.
>
> all the best
>
> Fabian
>
> aka leutha
>
> On 02 May 2017 at 15:00 Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Fabian
>
> I'm not sure whether you saw my email, responding to your suggestion about
> training, and saying I would discuss this with Michael on Thursday (as he
> has much more knowledge of Wikimedia Commons and OTRS than I do). Mine and
> John's replies were posted at about the same time and clearly weren't
> co-ordinated (I'm working from home today) but I don't think they were
> mutually exclusive. By which I mean, I think it's a legitimate question for
> John to ask how we can influence universities to become more open, and it
> doesn't mean that Wikimedia UK can't also facilitate OTRS training if this
> seems feasible and valuable.
>
> From what I can see from your email message you are frustrated that OTRS
> training is not something that has been pursued by the charity so far, but
> I think alluding to a Wikimedia UK 3.0 seems like rather a nuclear option.
> I'm sorry that you and others feel like we have been experiencing mission
> drift and I can only say that from inside the charity, it feels like our
> work is more focused on our strategy than ever before. Clearly though, if
> volunteers don't feel supported then that is a real problem and one that we
> want to address. Perhaps I can give you a call to discuss how we can take
> this forward?
>
> Thanks for your great suggestions about creating generic clauses for wills
> to easily enable someone to specify that their work should be released
> under an open licence after their death; and something similar for people
> who own the copyright of works created by someone who has died. Again, I
> will discuss this with Michael given his legal background, and discuss with
> the team how we could create and then publicise this guidance. However for
> these sorts of initiatives to be really effective the general public needs
> to understand the value of knowledge being free and open, which is why I
> see this sort of advocacy as an essential (but certainly not the only) part
> of our work.
>
> All best
> Lucy
>
> On 2 May 2017 at 14:38,  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Thanks to John for his prompt prompt response.
>
> Actually my answer is no.
>
> I am afraid John's solution does not deal with the wealth of academic
> material, theses etc which have been produced before such universities
> start to understand the benefits you mention. As students already have the
> option of publishing their material on CC licenses (Students are not
> employees), they do not need to universities to provide such an option.
>
> My point is that Wikimedia UK is in a unique position to actually do
> something to benefit how the community works as regards OTRS, of which the
> benefit I have mentioned is just an example.
>
> If Wikimedia UK does not want to do this, then perhaps we could have a
> policy decision from the organisation to put us in the picture.
>
> Then we could explore doing this directly through the Foundation. I doubt
> there is much appetite for setting up some sort of Wikimedia UK 3.0 – at
> this moment in time.
>
> I know from one or two discussions I have had that various people feel
> that Wikimedia Uk has been experiencing some mission drift towards more
> general open knowledge advocacy and away from specific Wikimedia Community
> support. I feel this is an opportunity for the organisation to clarify
> where it's

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Re: CC licenses for PhD theses

2017-05-05 Thread Lucy Crompton-Reid 
I certainly received this email...strange it's not on the archive though!

On 5 May 2017 at 14:32,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is the email I sent on Tuesday, which as far as I can see never went
> through the list (apologies if it has, but there is no record on the
> archive)
>
> all the best
>
> Fabian
>
> aka Leutha
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: leu...@fabiant.eu
> To: Lucy Crompton-Reid , UK
> Wikimedia mailing list 
> Cc: John Lubbock 
> Date: 02 May 2017 at 20:49
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CC licenses for PhD theses
>
> Hi Lucy,
>
> Yes, you're right I hadn't read your email until after I had sent my post.
>
> Of course, I am happy for John to do some work with the universities, but
> here are other areas which I feel get neglected.
>
> I am sorry if my sense of frustration over OTRS comes over a bit strong,
> but it arises as much from the inflexibility of the OTRS community as
> anything else. This is an area where I would like to see us pushing for
> organisational change within our own community.
>
> I feel Fae made some good point, and perhaps there's a way forward their
> in some respects.
>
> I would appreciate the opportunity to have chat with you on the phone,
> when it is convenient for you.
>
> all the best
>
> Fabian
>
> aka leutha
>
> On 02 May 2017 at 15:00 Lucy Crompton-Reid  org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Fabian
>
> I'm not sure whether you saw my email, responding to your suggestion about
> training, and saying I would discuss this with Michael on Thursday (as he
> has much more knowledge of Wikimedia Commons and OTRS than I do). Mine and
> John's replies were posted at about the same time and clearly weren't
> co-ordinated (I'm working from home today) but I don't think they were
> mutually exclusive. By which I mean, I think it's a legitimate question for
> John to ask how we can influence universities to become more open, and it
> doesn't mean that Wikimedia UK can't also facilitate OTRS training if this
> seems feasible and valuable.
>
> From what I can see from your email message you are frustrated that OTRS
> training is not something that has been pursued by the charity so far, but
> I think alluding to a Wikimedia UK 3.0 seems like rather a nuclear option.
> I'm sorry that you and others feel like we have been experiencing mission
> drift and I can only say that from inside the charity, it feels like our
> work is more focused on our strategy than ever before. Clearly though, if
> volunteers don't feel supported then that is a real problem and one that we
> want to address. Perhaps I can give you a call to discuss how we can take
> this forward?
>
> Thanks for your great suggestions about creating generic clauses for wills
> to easily enable someone to specify that their work should be released
> under an open licence after their death; and something similar for people
> who own the copyright of works created by someone who has died. Again, I
> will discuss this with Michael given his legal background, and discuss with
> the team how we could create and then publicise this guidance. However for
> these sorts of initiatives to be really effective the general public needs
> to understand the value of knowledge being free and open, which is why I
> see this sort of advocacy as an essential (but certainly not the only) part
> of our work.
>
> All best
> Lucy
>
> On 2 May 2017 at 14:38,  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Thanks to John for his prompt prompt response.
>
> Actually my answer is no.
>
> I am afraid John's solution does not deal with the wealth of academic
> material, theses etc which have been produced before such universities
> start to understand the benefits you mention. As students already have the
> option of publishing their material on CC licenses (Students are not
> employees), they do not need to universities to provide such an option.
>
> My point is that Wikimedia UK is in a unique position to actually do
> something to benefit how the community works as regards OTRS, of which the
> benefit I have mentioned is just an example.
>
> If Wikimedia UK does not want to do this, then perhaps we could have a
> policy decision from the organisation to put us in the picture.
>
> Then we could explore doing this directly through the Foundation. I doubt
> there is much appetite for setting up some sort of Wikimedia UK 3.0 – at
> this moment in time.
>
> I know from one or two discussions I have had that various people feel
> that Wikimedia Uk has been experiencing some mission drift towards more
> general open knowledge advocacy and away from specific Wikimedia Community
> support. I feel this is an opportunity for the organisation to clarify
> where it's going.
>
> Another issue I feel the charity could address is a generic clause for
> people to add to their wills releasing their