Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Conference report

[Andrea Zanni]

>@Andrea : Thank you, maybe you can write it down somewhere on meta for the
records ?

I will try to cut some text in a wiki page in the future, that's no
problem.
But what I really need right now is a sort of "ok" from the community about
the direction I'm taking with all these people involved.

I'm currently speaking with the Community Tech team, trying to teach them
about our process, about the perennial technical needs etc. For example, I
showed them the IA Upload tool, and the whole IA to Wikisource cycle.

IMHO that is a good workflow: it's not perfect but it's not the thing that
really deserves attention from the WMF. They were interested in that
because GLAMs (and especially libraries and archives) always need good
tools for uploading content.
But I personally think that it's the proofreading workflow that needs some
love, the Wikisource interface, the VE in the nsPage: if we become a better
platform for proofreading, we will be more usable for libraries and
archives too.
I hope you agree with me.

Aubrey



On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Hi, thank you for this detailed report, that's not always the most funny
> part, but I think it really help our community.
>
>
> ĝis la revido,
>
> mathieu
>
> Le 02/05/2016 à 17:53, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
> last week I represented the Wikisource Community user Group at the
> Wikimedia Conference, in Berlin.
>
> As usual, it has been a great opportunity to talk and meet fellow
> wikimedians, especially after the turmoil of the recent months in our
> movement (Lila and the other multiple resignations from WMF; Denny and
> James leaving the Board, etc.).
>
> The atmosphere was quite calm and friendly, and this was a good sign.
> I've spoken with many WMF employees and they all said "we're in a better
> place now". There is hope for the future and they want to do a lot of
> things. All this is positive, IMHO, especially after the things I'll
> explain now.
>
> I've spoke with many people; especially
> * Danny Horn and Ryan Kaldari of Community Tech team
> * Alex Stinson, "The Wikipedia Library"
> * Asaf Bartov, which all of you know well :-D
> * Katy Love, Director of Resources
> * Katherine Mayer, interim ED (!!)
>
> I'll start from this last one.
> Unfortunately I had my flight scheduled right after the meeting, so I was
> in a rush. But I met with Katherine and other 2 members of other user
> groups: it was the first time (that I know of) that the ED of the WMF took
> the time to speak with such tiny groups, and that says something.
> She was *genuinely* interested in knowing about Wikisource, and I hope our
> conversation will continue in the future.
>
> But a general "interest" in WS was all that I hoped for.
>
> Discussions (separate and collective) with Alex, Danny and Asaf were much
> more fruitful.
>
> * Alex Stinson is really interested in promoting Wikisource in the context
> of GLAM-WIKI, which makes perfectly sense and has been don already.
> Wikimedia Italia use Wikisource a lot in his talks with libraries and
> archives, and we are seeing good results. GLAM-WIKI has a "political"
> priority in the Wikimedia world, so we should harness that.
>
> * Asaf is the "Head of Emerging Communities", and I don't see why not we
> should *not* be see an emergent community! I don't really know what is the
> daily job of Asaf but if he's the person to speak to for the Wikisource
> community, we are in great hands.
>
> * Probably the best discussion I had was with Danny Horn, from Community
> Tech.
> Danny is one of the guys behind the Community Wishlist Survey.
> He was really astonished (he said it many times) by the response from the
> Wikisource community in that survey, and was the first to understand that,
> if they are bound to count absolute votes to proposals, our tiny community
> needs will never be addressed. They have that in mind and will change
> things for the following surveys.
>
> Danny spent *a whole hour* with me looking at Wikisource.
> I should him the Proofread Page extension, the phe stats, the EPUB
> generator. He was really shocked but what we do, how "details-oriented" we
> are (I used less politically-correct adjectives :-), and how much work we
> put into things.
>
> He also saw a bunch of things who could really get some quick help (for
> example, incresing the size of the radio buttons, or changing some icons,
> or stuff like that) which I think would be great.
>
> In the end, he was really excited and wanted to do stuff.  Of course, he
> didn't promise anything because his schedule is full, but there is maybe
> the chance to finally push Wikisource into the agenda of the WMF.
>
> All in all,
> I was pretty happy with how people were interested in the project and I
> think there is concrete room for improvement.
>
> Let me know what you think :-)
>
> Andrea
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Conference report

[Mardetanha]

​me and Andrea also had discussion about possible
another conference focused on WS, and per
our discussion Wikimedia Italy might be able to the host for next round,
any idea on this ?

Mardetanha

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON <
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah \o/
> Wonderful news.
>
> @Andrea : Thank you, maybe you can write it down somewhere on meta for the
> records ?
>
> @Alex : it reminds me that the whole planet is a tiny place :
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot :D
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Conference report

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Yeah \o/
Wonderful news.

@Andrea : Thank you, maybe you can write it down somewhere on meta for the
records ?

@Alex : it reminds me that the whole planet is a tiny place :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot :D

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Conference report

[Bodhisattwa Mandal]

Hi,

Thanks for your great effort, Andrea. This really gives hope to the global
Wikisource community.

Regards,
Bodhisattwa

On 3 May 2016 at 12:53, Alex Brollo  wrote:

> It's impressive to realize that it.source is a tiny community inside a
> larger, but nevertheless "tiny community" (the whole wikisource
> community)...
>
> Alex brollo
>
> 2016-05-02 17:53 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni :
>
>> Dear all,
>> last week I represented the Wikisource Community user Group at the
>> Wikimedia Conference, in Berlin.
>>
>> As usual, it has been a great opportunity to talk and meet fellow
>> wikimedians, especially after the turmoil of the recent months in our
>> movement (Lila and the other multiple resignations from WMF; Denny and
>> James leaving the Board, etc.).
>>
>> The atmosphere was quite calm and friendly, and this was a good sign.
>> I've spoken with many WMF employees and they all said "we're in a better
>> place now". There is hope for the future and they want to do a lot of
>> things. All this is positive, IMHO, especially after the things I'll
>> explain now.
>>
>> I've spoke with many people; especially
>> * Danny Horn and Ryan Kaldari of Community Tech team
>> * Alex Stinson, "The Wikipedia Library"
>> * Asaf Bartov, which all of you know well :-D
>> * Katy Love, Director of Resources
>> * Katherine Mayer, interim ED (!!)
>>
>> I'll start from this last one.
>> Unfortunately I had my flight scheduled right after the meeting, so I was
>> in a rush. But I met with Katherine and other 2 members of other user
>> groups: it was the first time (that I know of) that the ED of the WMF took
>> the time to speak with such tiny groups, and that says something.
>> She was *genuinely* interested in knowing about Wikisource, and I hope
>> our conversation will continue in the future.
>>
>> But a general "interest" in WS was all that I hoped for.
>>
>> Discussions (separate and collective) with Alex, Danny and Asaf were much
>> more fruitful.
>>
>> * Alex Stinson is really interested in promoting Wikisource in the
>> context of GLAM-WIKI, which makes perfectly sense and has been don already.
>> Wikimedia Italia use Wikisource a lot in his talks with libraries and
>> archives, and we are seeing good results. GLAM-WIKI has a "political"
>> priority in the Wikimedia world, so we should harness that.
>>
>> * Asaf is the "Head of Emerging Communities", and I don't see why not we
>> should *not* be see an emergent community! I don't really know what is the
>> daily job of Asaf but if he's the person to speak to for the Wikisource
>> community, we are in great hands.
>>
>> * Probably the best discussion I had was with Danny Horn, from Community
>> Tech.
>> Danny is one of the guys behind the Community Wishlist Survey.
>> He was really astonished (he said it many times) by the response from the
>> Wikisource community in that survey, and was the first to understand that,
>> if they are bound to count absolute votes to proposals, our tiny community
>> needs will never be addressed. They have that in mind and will change
>> things for the following surveys.
>>
>> Danny spent *a whole hour* with me looking at Wikisource.
>> I should him the Proofread Page extension, the phe stats, the EPUB
>> generator. He was really shocked but what we do, how "details-oriented" we
>> are (I used less politically-correct adjectives :-), and how much work we
>> put into things.
>>
>> He also saw a bunch of things who could really get some quick help (for
>> example, incresing the size of the radio buttons, or changing some icons,
>> or stuff like that) which I think would be great.
>>
>> In the end, he was really excited and wanted to do stuff.  Of course, he
>> didn't promise anything because his schedule is full, but there is maybe
>> the chance to finally push Wikisource into the agenda of the WMF.
>>
>> All in all,
>> I was pretty happy with how people were interested in the project and I
>> think there is concrete room for improvement.
>>
>> Let me know what you think :-)
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Conference report

[Alex Brollo]

It's impressive to realize that it.source is a tiny community inside a
larger, but nevertheless "tiny community" (the whole wikisource
community)...

Alex brollo

2016-05-02 17:53 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni :

> Dear all,
> last week I represented the Wikisource Community user Group at the
> Wikimedia Conference, in Berlin.
>
> As usual, it has been a great opportunity to talk and meet fellow
> wikimedians, especially after the turmoil of the recent months in our
> movement (Lila and the other multiple resignations from WMF; Denny and
> James leaving the Board, etc.).
>
> The atmosphere was quite calm and friendly, and this was a good sign.
> I've spoken with many WMF employees and they all said "we're in a better
> place now". There is hope for the future and they want to do a lot of
> things. All this is positive, IMHO, especially after the things I'll
> explain now.
>
> I've spoke with many people; especially
> * Danny Horn and Ryan Kaldari of Community Tech team
> * Alex Stinson, "The Wikipedia Library"
> * Asaf Bartov, which all of you know well :-D
> * Katy Love, Director of Resources
> * Katherine Mayer, interim ED (!!)
>
> I'll start from this last one.
> Unfortunately I had my flight scheduled right after the meeting, so I was
> in a rush. But I met with Katherine and other 2 members of other user
> groups: it was the first time (that I know of) that the ED of the WMF took
> the time to speak with such tiny groups, and that says something.
> She was *genuinely* interested in knowing about Wikisource, and I hope our
> conversation will continue in the future.
>
> But a general "interest" in WS was all that I hoped for.
>
> Discussions (separate and collective) with Alex, Danny and Asaf were much
> more fruitful.
>
> * Alex Stinson is really interested in promoting Wikisource in the context
> of GLAM-WIKI, which makes perfectly sense and has been don already.
> Wikimedia Italia use Wikisource a lot in his talks with libraries and
> archives, and we are seeing good results. GLAM-WIKI has a "political"
> priority in the Wikimedia world, so we should harness that.
>
> * Asaf is the "Head of Emerging Communities", and I don't see why not we
> should *not* be see an emergent community! I don't really know what is the
> daily job of Asaf but if he's the person to speak to for the Wikisource
> community, we are in great hands.
>
> * Probably the best discussion I had was with Danny Horn, from Community
> Tech.
> Danny is one of the guys behind the Community Wishlist Survey.
> He was really astonished (he said it many times) by the response from the
> Wikisource community in that survey, and was the first to understand that,
> if they are bound to count absolute votes to proposals, our tiny community
> needs will never be addressed. They have that in mind and will change
> things for the following surveys.
>
> Danny spent *a whole hour* with me looking at Wikisource.
> I should him the Proofread Page extension, the phe stats, the EPUB
> generator. He was really shocked but what we do, how "details-oriented" we
> are (I used less politically-correct adjectives :-), and how much work we
> put into things.
>
> He also saw a bunch of things who could really get some quick help (for
> example, incresing the size of the radio buttons, or changing some icons,
> or stuff like that) which I think would be great.
>
> In the end, he was really excited and wanted to do stuff.  Of course, he
> didn't promise anything because his schedule is full, but there is maybe
> the chance to finally push Wikisource into the agenda of the WMF.
>
> All in all,
> I was pretty happy with how people were interested in the project and I
> think there is concrete room for improvement.
>
> Let me know what you think :-)
>
> Andrea
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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