Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection (been there done that .. to the power of three)
David Gerard wrote: 2008/12/4 Tim Landscheidt: Add to that the maintenance costs because you would want to ensure that if someone who is not aware of the concept of atomic categories adds a [[Category:Manhattan]] to something he adds [[Category:New York]], [[Category:East Coast of the United States]], [[Category:United States]] and the other gigazillion umbrella categories as well so searches for a building in a country bordering a water body will still show results. Which is why we have zillions of obsessive nerdy humans writing the encyclopedia. Tags are fine, there's nothing wrong intrinsically with hundreds of tags where appropriate and useful. I suppose presentation in Monobook will be interesting ... - d. If we're going to end up with hundreds of categories on each page, why not make the software automatically add all parent categories? It would fill the categorylinks table*, but it would as well by manually adding them. It would also require forcing the categories to be a graph and maybe limiting the number of parent categories, as to reduce a bit how expensive category position changes can be. But, if we leave that to 'manual actions', the same actions would be performed by bots, leading to the same cost and partially less coherent structure. *Add a expandedcategorylinks table? Probably also add a 'don't inherit' flag on categary table which can be appplied to high level categories such as 'All licenses' or 'Commons root'. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Bring your language to Commons
New user accounts on Wikimedia Commons automatically get a
greeting from [[User:Wikimedia Commons Welcome]]. However, this
greeting is in English and not all users speak English. At the
top of the message there is a list of links to translations in
other languages, but I think there is a better way.
Since most new user accounts on Commons (about two thirds) are
created by SUL, and arrive through a link that specifies the
uselang= parameter, wouldn't it be very easy to set the user
preference for user interface language from the uselang parameter
when the account is created by SUL?
The greeting template (and other templates, such as deletion
requests) could then access the user's interface language setting
through a {{USELANG}} magic word, and present the corresponding
translation.
This way, new Swedish speaking users (who typically arrive from
the Swedish Wikipedia, one that doesn't allow local uploads) could
be guided to the Swedish language village pump and find a
community there.
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[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Bring your language to Commons
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From: Nikola Smolenski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/12/6
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Bring your language to Commons
To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
On Saturday 06 December 2008 17:49:04 Lars Aronsson wrote:
New user accounts on Wikimedia Commons automatically get a
greeting from [[User:Wikimedia Commons Welcome]]. However, this
greeting is in English and not all users speak English. At the
top of the message there is a list of links to translations in
other languages, but I think there is a better way.
Since most new user accounts on Commons (about two thirds) are
created by SUL, and arrive through a link that specifies the
uselang= parameter, wouldn't it be very easy to set the user
preference for user interface language from the uselang parameter
when the account is created by SUL?
The greeting template (and other templates, such as deletion
requests) could then access the user's interface language setting
through a {{USELANG}} magic word, and present the corresponding
translation.
This way, new Swedish speaking users (who typically arrive from
the Swedish Wikipedia, one that doesn't allow local uploads) could
be guided to the Swedish language village pump and find a
community there.
This perhaps isn't directly related to your initial query, but I was thinking
along similar lines on how to make MediaWiki more internationalized.
MediaWiki is, of course, an excellently internationalized piece of software
already. It works excellently with a lot of languages - but what it lacks is
the ability to work with more languages at the same time. This is very
important on Commons or Meta.
The first step would be to make uselang sticky (or to create a new parameter,
for example 'forcelang'), as is the case now with 'variant'. Right now, when
someone comes to http://commons.wikimedia.org/?uselang=sr everything is
displayed in Serbian, properly, but when he/she clicks on Log in / create
account, the interface goes back to English and someone who doesn't know
English can't create the account. But if you go to f.e.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5variant=zh-hk
you will see that variant parameter is inherited by the links on the page,
and whenever you go on the wiki you will remain in the same variant. If
uselang would work in the same way, that's one MAJOR improvement already.
Since a system for doing this with 'variant' already works, I hope this
wouldn't be too hard to do.
And then, what you say. But there exists one caveat - caching. More on this in
some future email :)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that's a green light if I ever saw one, awesome. So let's create a a categorysearch myisam table, stick all the categories in it, set up hooks to maintain it, and implement the fulltext index solution. We'll use a special page to show the results (?). I'm working on an interface that primarily would depend on two links at the bottom of each article, find similar articles and find related categories - these bring up articles having the same categories, and a list of top categories belonging to those categories, respectively. Sound good? Sounds vastly better than the absolutely nothing we presently have. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bring your language to Commons
Hi!
How about demanding from foundation to allocate some part of latest
usability improvement grant/resources
(http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikipedia_to_become_more_user-friendly_for_new_volunteer_writers)
to solve at some of Commons problems?
As for user language: see comments in similar request about user's
gender (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040), which
also affect quality of MediaWiki localizations.
Eugene.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Lars Aronsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
New user accounts on Wikimedia Commons automatically get a
greeting from [[User:Wikimedia Commons Welcome]]. However, this
greeting is in English and not all users speak English. At the
top of the message there is a list of links to translations in
other languages, but I think there is a better way.
Since most new user accounts on Commons (about two thirds) are
created by SUL, and arrive through a link that specifies the
uselang= parameter, wouldn't it be very easy to set the user
preference for user interface language from the uselang parameter
when the account is created by SUL?
The greeting template (and other templates, such as deletion
requests) could then access the user's interface language setting
through a {{USELANG}} magic word, and present the corresponding
translation.
This way, new Swedish speaking users (who typically arrive from
the Swedish Wikipedia, one that doesn't allow local uploads) could
be guided to the Swedish language village pump and find a
community there.
--
Lars Aronsson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
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