Re: [Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.

2010-08-09 Thread Jan Luca
Hi,

what is the error PHP gives you?

Best regards,
Jan

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Thanks,

I do not know php yet, but I have tryed it anyway, it gives me syntax
mistake 

wfRunHooks( 'SkinTemplateTabs', array( $this,
$content_actions ) );
} else {//THIS IS THE LINE, 
//IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE BUG WHICH FOLLOWS 
/* show special page tab */

$content_actions[$this-mTitle-getNamespaceKey()] =
array(
'class' = 'selected',
'text' = wfMsg('nstab-special'),
'href' = $wgRequest-getRequestURL(), //
@bug 2457, 2510  //!!!?
);

wfRunHooks(
'SkinTemplateBuildContentActionUrlsAfterSpecialPage', array(
$this, $content_actions ) );

I will be trying.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Gartering extension-meta data

2010-08-09 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/9 Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com:
 Hey,

 I'm looking for a way to collect existing extension meta-data from the SVN
 repo and maybe also the extension pages on MediaWiki.org. Does anyone know
 of scripts/tools that already do this?

Depending on what metadata you need, the $wgExtensionCredits variable
could be your friend. Note that the extension doesn't need to actually
be installed: in most cases you can get away with just locating the
file that contains the $wgExtensionCredits assignment and require()ing
that file. This will probably fail in some cases, but most setup files
only contain assignments.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.

2010-08-09 Thread Natasha Brown
It gave me 

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ELSE, expecting T_FUNCTION in
/home/wikitra2/public_html/w/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 894 

Then somehow I have managed to delete my LocalSetting.php and I have spend all
night restoring it: I might have learn a bit...

I wish someone Can help me! My site needs an extra tab.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.

2010-08-09 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/9 Natasha Brown learnrussianspeakruss...@gmail.com:
 It gave me

 Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ELSE, expecting T_FUNCTION in
 /home/wikitra2/public_html/w/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 894

Sounds like you have a missing } somewhere (or one too many).

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Using LanguageConverter for Portuguese Variants

2010-08-09 Thread Helder Geovane
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 19:19, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:

 2010/8/9 Helder Geovane heldergeov...@gmail.com:
  Would a prototype wiki be a good place to make it possible for
 Portuguese
  community to test the Language Conversion in practice?
 
 Sounds good to me personally, although I'll ask some other people to
 weigh in. I personally like the idea of a world where the standard
 response to hey we wanna play with this thing and it's all coded up
 already is sure, lemme set you up with a prototype wiki.

  We are considering[1][2] the possibility of using the system to handle
  regional differences in the written Portuguese, but it seems that the
  editors need more contact with the system before they can decide in
 favour
  or agains an efective use of the conversion system at pt.wikipedia.
  We have made some drafts of the PHP code[3] which is needed to start, and
  set of possible global conversion rules for some variants[4].
 
  What should we do to have a prototype wiki for this, if that is possible?
 
 You should start with getting your code in SVN. If it is or can be
 written in a way that makes it easy to disable (or if there's some
 other caveat such as it not doing anything if the conversion tables
 are empty), it can be committed straight to trunk. If this is not
 possible, it can be put in a branch, but trunk would really be
 preferred here, and disableability should be relatively easy to
 accomplish.

 Then when it's agreed that this should go on a prototype wiki, Ryan or
 I will set up the wiki and configure it, and it'll be all yours.

 Roan Kattouw (Catrope)


It seems to be sufficient to add set *$wgDisableLangConversion = true;* for
Portuguese wikis while testing at a prototype wiki (there it would have it's
default value [*=false]*). Would that be possible?

There is also an open bug related to this variable:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18958

Helder
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Using LanguageConverter for Portuguese Variants

2010-08-09 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/8/9 Helder Geovane heldergeov...@gmail.com:
 It seems to be sufficient to add set *$wgDisableLangConversion = true;* for
 Portuguese wikis while testing at a prototype wiki (there it would have it's
 default value [*=false]*). Would that be possible?

 There is also an open bug related to this variable:
 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18958

From reading that and the commits involved, it seems
$wgDisableLangConversion doesn't completely disable language
conversion, so that may need to be fixed first.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Using LanguageConverter for Portuguese Variants

2010-08-09 Thread Helder Geovane
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:31, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:

 2010/8/9 Helder Geovane heldergeov...@gmail.com:
  It seems to be sufficient to add set *$wgDisableLangConversion = true;*
 for
  Portuguese wikis while testing at a prototype wiki (there it would have
 it's
  default value [*=false]*). Would that be possible?
 
  There is also an open bug related to this variable:
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18958
 
 From reading that and the commits involved, it seems
 $wgDisableLangConversion doesn't completely disable language
 conversion, so that may need to be fixed first.

 Roan Kattouw (Catrope)


If no one add rules to the MediaWiki:Conversiontable/pt-xyz tables and do
not add manual markup -{}- in the text, the language converter doesn't do
any conversion (at least it doesn't seems to do). But in this case we still
have the drop down menu at the top of the wiki pages (for variant selection)
and another at Special:Preferences. If we add $wgDisableLangConversion =
true; to LocalSettings.php then both menus are also disabled (they are not
shown), and so the feature seems to be completely disabled.

Does anybody know what would not be disabled with this setting?

Helder
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Gartering extension-meta data

2010-08-09 Thread soxred93
Or is wanted to get really hacky, preg_replace everything that is not  
part of the $wgExtensionCredits tag out and just send the tag to eval 
(). :)

-X!

On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote:

 2010/8/9 Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com:
 Hey,

 I'm looking for a way to collect existing extension meta-data from  
 the SVN
 repo and maybe also the extension pages on MediaWiki.org. Does  
 anyone know
 of scripts/tools that already do this?

 Depending on what metadata you need, the $wgExtensionCredits variable
 could be your friend. Note that the extension doesn't need to actually
 be installed: in most cases you can get away with just locating the
 file that contains the $wgExtensionCredits assignment and require()ing
 that file. This will probably fail in some cases, but most setup files
 only contain assignments.

 Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] phpUnderControl up and running

2010-08-09 Thread Mark Clements (HappyDog)
Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote in message 
news:87k4o0r8no@everybody.org...

 I've got an instance of phpUnderControl http://phpundercontrol.org/ up
 and running at

 http://ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/


   The connection has timed out
   The server at ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org is taking too long to 
respond.

Have tried several times over the past few hours, and no joy.

- Mark Clements (HappyDog) 



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Re: [Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.

2010-08-09 Thread Svip
On 9 August 2010 13:35, Natasha Brown
learnrussianspeakruss...@gmail.com wrote:

 It gave me

 Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ELSE, expecting T_FUNCTION in
 /home/wikitra2/public_html/w/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 894

 Then somehow I have managed to delete my LocalSetting.php and I have spend all
 night restoring it: I might have learn a bit...

 I wish someone Can help me! My site needs an extra tab.

Can you pastebin that function?  http://paste.pocoo.org/

Regards,
le Svip

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Testing Framework

2010-08-09 Thread Dan Nessett
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:30:16 -0400, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:

 Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com writes:
 
 I don't think walking through all the extensions looking for test
 subdirectories and then running all tests therein is a good idea.
 First, in a large installation with many extensions, this takes time
 and delays the test execution.
 
 Globbing for extensions/*/tests/TestSettings.php doesn't take long at
 all.
 
 However I am looking at a way to test extensions independently of
 installation.
 
 This means I can't depend on hooks or global variables, so I need
 another way to find out if an extension has tests available.
 
 Making the developer specify the extension or core tests to run on the
 RunSeleniumTests command line is irritating (at least, it would
 irritate me)
 
 No doubt.  So why not allow per-user files to set this instead of using
 LocalSettings.php?
 
 Mark.

Testing uninstalled extensions may make sense for unit tests, but not for 
selenium tests. The latter exercise the code through a browser, so the 
extension must be installed for selenium testing.

I'm not sure what are the advantages of per-user configuration files. 
For unit tests the tester directly accesses the code and so has direct 
access to LocalSettings. For selenium testing, we originally had a 
configuration file called SeleniumLocalSettings.php, but that was 
abandoned in favor of putting the configuration information in 
DefaultSettings and LocalSettings.

As stated previously, selenium tests exercise MW code by accessing the 
wiki through a browser. I don't see how a 'per-user' configuration file 
would be integrated without introducing some serious security issues.

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[Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.

2010-08-09 Thread bawolff
 In reply to:
 Message: 4
 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:34:36 + (UTC)
 From: Natasha Brown learnrussianspeakruss...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Wikitech-l] I need an extra tab.
 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Message-ID: loom.20100809t012506-...@post.gmane.org
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 Thanks,

 I do not know php yet, but I have tryed it anyway, it gives me syntax mistake
 [...]

You could also try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CommentPages

-bawolff

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Testing Framework

2010-08-09 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com writes:

 For unit tests the tester directly accesses the code and so has direct
 access to LocalSettings. For selenium testing, we originally had a
 configuration file called SeleniumLocalSettings.php, but that was
 abandoned in favor of putting the configuration information in
 DefaultSettings and LocalSettings.

I would have to go look at why that decision was made, but it seems like
it just allows the code to be polluted with Selenium-specific
identifiers that production code should not have *anything* to do with.

I would like to keep testing-specific code (and variables) separate and
distinct from production code.

 As stated previously, selenium tests exercise MW code by accessing the
 wiki through a browser.

Agreed.

Mark.

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[Wikitech-l] Getting back to more regular site software updates

2010-08-09 Thread MZMcBride
Hi.

There was a time when the software being run on Wikimedia wikis was updated
about weekly. Nowadays, I honestly can't remember the last time it was fully
SVN upped and scapped, and the branching has made it nearly impossible for
me to figure out where the progress stands. A few critical revisions get
merged into the 1.16wmf4 branch as necessary, but most revisions are left
untouched, as far as I can tell.

I'd like to see if there are ways to get back to more regular site software
updates. Should the branching be undone so that trunk has to be usable? Is
it a matter of developer man-power? Is it a matter of code review? I'm not
trying to be critical, but the current situation seems far less than ideal.
I'm willing to help if I can, as I'm sure others are, but it seems like
nobody's quite sure what or where the exact problem is.

It's also possible that not everyone views the lack of software updates to
be a problem. That itself might be an issue that needs to be addressed.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] phpUnderControl up and running

2010-08-09 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Mark Clements (HappyDog) gm...@kennel17.co.uk writes:

 http://ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/

The connection has timed out

 Have tried several times over the past few hours, and no joy.

Sorry about that.  It looks like a problem with the firewall rules.  I
think it is fixed now.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] phpUnderControl up and running

2010-08-09 Thread Mark Clements (HappyDog)
Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote in message 
news:874of3r2xp@everybody.org...
 Mark Clements (HappyDog) gm...@kennel17.co.uk writes:

 http://ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/

The connection has timed out

 Have tried several times over the past few hours, and no joy.

 Sorry about that.  It looks like a problem with the firewall rules.  I
 think it is fixed now.


Yup - that's sorted it.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Caching, was: Re: wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-08-09 Thread Platonides
On 31/07/10, Platonides wrote:
 David Goodman wrote:
 Which of the preference settings are likely to cause this problem?
 
 The preferences that can -combined- make you unique[1] are:
 math preference, date format, auto-number headings, user language, image
 thumbnail size.
 
 Interestingly, the stub threshold supposedly does not affect it [2].
 
 Additionally, being or not in the secure server acts as another preference.

I have just commited r70783 which makes you unique only if you are using
preferences different than the default *that are actually used* on that
page.

So having a non-default math option no longer makes you unique on the
thousands of pages without math tags.

Reviews and actual numbers of parser cache increase welcome.


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[Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing

2010-08-09 Thread Jan Paul Posma
Hello everyone,

As this is my first post to the mailing list, let me introduce myself shortly. 
My name is Jan Paul Posma, and I'm a 20 year old Computer Science student from 
the Netherlands. I was introduced to MediaWiki by Roan Kattouw, contractor for 
the Usability Initiative, who also happens to be a friend of mine. :-)

The reason for mailing to the list is the research I'll be conducting this 
year: building a new editor for MediaWiki. Now I guess this has been discussed 
over and over again, but this is a bit different. Instead of building a true 
WYSIWYG editor, I'm proposing to build an editor that's based on adding extra 
markup to the original, rendered page. This extra markup provides the ability 
to edit these segments. With this approach, it's possible to slowly enable 
editing for different elements. First, we can enable editing for simple 
sentences (thus the title sentence-level editing). Simple in this context 
means: without most wikicodes. I.e. only links are allowed, and perhaps bold 
and italic. This editor can be extended step by step to include other elements, 
such as references, images, templates, lists, tables, etc.

The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate this idea.
You can find the most advanced prototype here: 
http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html
The full project proposal and prototypes can be found here: 
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing

Right now I'm not looking for anything in specific, just whether or not you 
think this is a good idea, technically feasible, etc. If you have suggestions 
of any kind I'll be happy to hear them!

Thanks for your time!
Regards,
Jan Paul Posma

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing

2010-08-09 Thread Chad
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com wrote:
 The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate this idea.
 You can find the most advanced prototype here: 
 http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html

Can I just say that looks freakin' awesome?

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing

2010-08-09 Thread soxred93
I'm with Chad. That is simply AWESOME. It addresses yet another issue  
with usability, and it a well-done solution to it.

-X!

On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Chad wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com  
 wrote:
 The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate  
 this idea.
 You can find the most advanced prototype here: http:// 
 janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html

 Can I just say that looks freakin' awesome?

 -Chad

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[Wikitech-l] Interwiki link checker

2010-08-09 Thread Mark Williamson
I'm wondering if anybody still maintains the Interwiki Link Checker
http://toolserver.org/~flacus/IWLC/

I noticed recently there are heaps of pages on sh.wp whose titles and
subjects match up to articles on other Wikis but which have no links.
Is there any way we could revive this project?

-m.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing

2010-08-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 As this is my first post to the mailing list, let me introduce myself 
 shortly. My name is Jan Paul Posma, and I'm a 20 year old Computer Science 
 student from the Netherlands. I was introduced to MediaWiki by Roan Kattouw, 
 contractor for the Usability Initiative, who also happens to be a friend of 
 mine. :-)

 The reason for mailing to the list is the research I'll be conducting this 
 year: building a new editor for MediaWiki. Now I guess this has been 
 discussed over and over again, but this is a bit different. Instead of 
 building a true WYSIWYG editor, I'm proposing to build an editor that's based 
 on adding extra markup to the original, rendered page. This extra markup 
 provides the ability to edit these segments. With this approach, it's 
 possible to slowly enable editing for different elements. First, we can 
 enable editing for simple sentences (thus the title sentence-level 
 editing). Simple in this context means: without most wikicodes. I.e. only 
 links are allowed, and perhaps bold and italic. This editor can be extended 
 step by step to include other elements, such as references, images, 
 templates, lists, tables, etc.

 The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate this idea.
 You can find the most advanced prototype here: 
 http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html
 The full project proposal and prototypes can be found here: 
 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing

 Right now I'm not looking for anything in specific, just whether or not you 
 think this is a good idea, technically feasible, etc. If you have suggestions 
 of any kind I'll be happy to hear them!

This is a really nice design. I'll be interested to see how it handles
all the ugly edge cases that Wikitext makes possible ;-)

I do notice that the Preview button for sentence-level editing
doesn't quite work (it shows the old text). There's some stuff
missing, but I assume that this is because it's not finished yet.

Either way, this is a really awesome first step towards a more
friendly editing interface. Thanks for sharing.

-- 
Andrew Garrett
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing

2010-08-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 August 2010 23:55, Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com wrote:
 The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate this idea.
 You can find the most advanced prototype here: 
 http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html

It seems like a great idea, but your prototype doesn't appear to work.
I can't see a way to save a modified sentence (the only options are
preview and cancel, there is no submit option) and the publish button
at the top of the page doesn't seem to do anything. Am I doing
something wrong?

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[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia logging infrastructure

2010-08-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone,

We're in the process of figuring out how we fix some of the issues in
our logging infrastructure.  I'm both sending this email out to get
the more knowledgeable folks to chime in about where I've got the
details wrong, and for general comment on how we're doing our logging.
 We may need to recruit contract developers to work on this stuff, so
we want to make sure we have clear and accurate information available,
and we need to figure out what exactly we want to direct those people
to do.

We have a single collection point for all of our logging, which is
actually just a sampling of the overall traffic (designed to be
roughly one out of every 1000 hits).  The process is described here:
http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Squid_logging

My understanding is that this code is also involved somewhere:
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/webstatscollector/
...but I'm a little unclear what the relationship between that code
and code in trunk/udplog.

At any rate, there are a couple of problems with the way that it works:
1.  Once we saturate the NIC on the logging machine, the quality of
our sampling degrades pretty rapidly.  We've generally had a problem
with that over the past few months.
2.  We'd like to increase the granularity of logging so that we can do
more sophiticated analysis.  For example, if we decide to run a test
banner to a limited audience, we need to make sure we're getting more
complete logs for that audience or else we're not getting enough data
to do any useful analysis.

If this were your typical commercial operation, the answer would be
why aren't you just logging into Streambase? (or some other data
warehousing storage solution).  I'm not suggesting that we do that (or
even look at any of the solutions that bill themselves as open source
alternatives), since, while our needs are increasing, we still aren't
planning to be anywhere near as sophisticated as a lot of data
tracking orgs.  Still, it's worth asking questions about our existing
setup.  Should we be looking optimize our existing single-box setup,
extending our software to have multi-node collection, or looking at a
whole new collection strategy?

Rob

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[Wikitech-l] a bug with wikipedia table dump

2010-08-09 Thread Alexander Sibiryakov
Hello.

I found a bug with dump of 'page' table on last update at wikipedia dump 
service (http://download.wikimedia.org).

This file shouldn't be empty
http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20100730/enwiki-20100730-page.sql.gz but 
it is.

http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20100730/ status is 'done' for it.

Thanks for reading.

-- 
Alexander,
Yandex, Search Quality Department,
Yekaterinburg


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