Re: [Wikitech-l] Using wiki pages as databases

2013-02-20 Thread Ori Livneh



On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Tim Starling wrote:

 On 19/02/13 21:11, MZMcBride wrote:
  Hi.
  
  In the context of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10621,
  the concept of using wiki pages as databases has come up. We're already
  beginning to see this:
  
  * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module:languages (over 30,000 lines)
  * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Convertdata (over 7,400 lines)
  
  At large enough sizes, the in-browser syntax highlighting is currently
  problematic.
  
 
 
 We can disable syntax highlighting over some size.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49985/ disables the highlighting of symbols 
if it looks like there may be a lot of them. Patched in SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi 
since the problem is not specific to Lua or Scribunto.

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[Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
I've just had a colleague send me links to a couple of English
Wikipedia articles that were displaying as complete garbage - it
looked like corrupt character encoding or something (there was no UI -
just a page full of random characters and boxes). Running
?action=purge on them sorted it out, but if he hit upon two corrupted
pages in a few minutes, there are probably more.

Does anyone know anything about it?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 12:08 +, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 I've just had a colleague send me links to a couple of English
 Wikipedia articles that were displaying as complete garbage - it
 looked like corrupt character encoding or something (there was no UI -
 just a page full of random characters and boxes). Running
 ?action=purge on them sorted it out, but if he hit upon two corrupted
 pages in a few minutes, there are probably more.
 
 Does anyone know anything about it?

Not without a testcase (URL) to start investigating. :)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 20 February 2013 12:11, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 12:08 +, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 I've just had a colleague send me links to a couple of English
 Wikipedia articles that were displaying as complete garbage - it
 looked like corrupt character encoding or something (there was no UI -
 just a page full of random characters and boxes). Running
 ?action=purge on them sorted it out, but if he hit upon two corrupted
 pages in a few minutes, there are probably more.

 Does anyone know anything about it?

 Not without a testcase (URL) to start investigating. :)

I've fixed the ones I know about, so I don't know if they'll be much
help (which is why I didn't specify them before). If it does help,
they were:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Clark_Warren
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_Schwartz

(You can draw your own conclusions from my colleague's office reading habits!)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Tim Starling
On 20/02/13 23:30, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 On 20 February 2013 12:11, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 12:08 +, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 I've just had a colleague send me links to a couple of English
 Wikipedia articles that were displaying as complete garbage - it
 looked like corrupt character encoding or something (there was no UI -
 just a page full of random characters and boxes). Running
 ?action=purge on them sorted it out, but if he hit upon two corrupted
 pages in a few minutes, there are probably more.

 Does anyone know anything about it?

 Not without a testcase (URL) to start investigating. :)
 
 I've fixed the ones I know about, so I don't know if they'll be much
 help (which is why I didn't specify them before). If it does help,
 they were:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Clark_Warren
 and
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_Schwartz
 
 (You can draw your own conclusions from my colleague's office reading habits!)

It's not a test case after you've run action=purge on it. If you want
to report things like this, it's best if you don't run action=purge,
or even report it to anyone who might be inclined to do such a thing.
Cache-related test cases are very fragile, so it takes some care to
get them to a developer intact.

In the past, there have been problems with gzipped output being served
without a Content-Encoding header, due to subtle Squid vary header
bugs. But it's hard to tell if that's what happened here, just from
your description.

-- Tim Starling


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 20 February 2013 12:43, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 It's not a test case after you've run action=purge on it.

Which is why I didn't bother including the URLs in the initial report.

If you want
 to report things like this, it's best if you don't run action=purge,
 or even report it to anyone who might be inclined to do such a thing.
 Cache-related test cases are very fragile, so it takes some care to
 get them to a developer intact.

My top priority was helping the person that reported it to read the
page they wanted to read.

A little gratitude to someone trying to help you fix a problem
wouldn't go amiss...

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Brian, would you take a look at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and maybe update it
to clarify what sorts of information to try to hold on to for debugging
purposes?

On 02/20/2013 07:50 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
 On 20 February 2013 12:43, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 It's not a test case after you've run action=purge on it.
 
 Which is why I didn't bother including the URLs in the initial report.
 
 If you want
 to report things like this, it's best if you don't run action=purge,
 or even report it to anyone who might be inclined to do such a thing.
 Cache-related test cases are very fragile, so it takes some care to
 get them to a developer intact.
 
 My top priority was helping the person that reported it to read the
 page they wanted to read.
 
 A little gratitude to someone trying to help you fix a problem
 wouldn't go amiss...

Thomas, thanks for the bug report.  Sorry for the mixed messages here.
If you run across the problem again and report it to us before helping
your colleague, you can tell him I told you to do it, and blame me!

And I have now learned something about two very different relationship
experts, thanks to those URLs. :-)

-- 
Sumana Harihareswara
Engineering Community Manager
Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Jeremy Baron
Hi Thomas,

On Feb 20, 2013 8:59 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
  My top priority was helping the person that reported it to read the
  page they wanted to read.
 
  A little gratitude to someone trying to help you fix a problem
  wouldn't go amiss...

 Thomas, thanks for the bug report.  Sorry for the mixed messages here.
 If you run across the problem again and report it to us before helping
 your colleague, you can tell him I told you to do it, and blame me!

You could both get him the info and also preserve the testcase. Don't purge
anything and give him an alternative URL like:

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Clark_Warren?foo (I made this up)
*
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Clark_Warrenoldid=523949993(permalink
in the sidebar toolbox)
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?oldid=523949993 (variant of the last one)
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Warren (via what links here)

Or just tell him to log in/make an account. (logged in users bypass some
caches)

HTH.

-Jeremy
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread bawolff
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
suma...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Brian, would you take a look at
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and maybe update it
 to clarify what sorts of information to try to hold on to for debugging
 purposes?

What sort of debugging information is useful depends on the situation.
In most cases the type of information I mentioned would be overkill.


 A little gratitude to someone trying to help you fix a problem
 wouldn't go amiss...

We appreciate the bug report, we just can't do anything about it
without more information. To give a  (not entirely fair) comparison,
imagine someone posted on your talk page that there was a spelling
error on Wikipedia. I assume you would respond to such a report with
where?, it wouldn't be because you're ungrateful that you respond
like that, but simply that you cannot fix the issue without more
information (Wikipedia is a big place). The situation here is somewhat
similar. We're grateful for the report, but would need more
information before we can do anything about it.

--bawolff

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Greg Grossmeier, Release Manager

2013-02-20 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Thanks, all! Looking forward to working with everyone.

Greg


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.comwrote:

 Welcome Greg! Glad to see our release engineering process becoming
 stronger with your joining :-)

 -Alolita

 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
 suma...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  On 02/19/2013 04:09 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote:
  Greg will be managing the deployment process for the Wikimedia
  websites, focusing at first on improving release notes and outbound
  communication, freeing up folks like Sam to focus the engineering
  aspects of the role.  He'll help our Bug Wrangler (Andre) figure out
  how to deal with high priority deployment-related issues; Andre will
  continue to broadly manage the flow of all bugs, while Greg will
  narrowly focus on very high priority issues through fix deployment.
  He'll also take over coordination of our deployment calendar[1], and
  will likely be a little nosier than many of us have had the time to
  do. Over time, Greg will look more holistically at our deployment
  practice, and potentially lead a change over to a more continuous
  deployment model.
 
  This is great, and I look forward to faster and higher-quality
  deployments!  Welcome, Greg.
 
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  Engineering Community Manager
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 20 February 2013 16:32, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote:
 A little gratitude to someone trying to help you fix a problem
 wouldn't go amiss...

 We appreciate the bug report, we just can't do anything about it
 without more information. To give a  (not entirely fair) comparison,
 imagine someone posted on your talk page that there was a spelling
 error on Wikipedia. I assume you would respond to such a report with
 where?, it wouldn't be because you're ungrateful that you respond
 like that, but simply that you cannot fix the issue without more
 information (Wikipedia is a big place). The situation here is somewhat
 similar. We're grateful for the report, but would need more
 information before we can do anything about it.

My actual question was Does anyone know anything about it? - I was
trying to determine if this was a known problem, which would help
determine the next step. I think I supplied enough information for
that purpose.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Corrupt pages on English Wikipedia

2013-02-20 Thread MZMcBride
Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
Brian, would you take a look at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and maybe update it
to clarify what sorts of information to try to hold on to for debugging
purposes?

More to the point (this is a list for developers, after all), if you're a
developer and you find a bug (or a potential bug!), please report it to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org (aliased as https://bugs.wikimedia.org
or https://bugs.mediawiki.org). :-)

This list (wikitech-l) is fine for discussion of bugs (or possible bugs),
but it _really helps_ when the issue can be properly tracked in Bugzilla.
Mailing lists are ephemeral. Bugzilla is forever.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Juliusz Gonera
Sorry for digging up an old thread, but today I also started wondering 
if there's a way of making our deployments simpler and faster.


I'm not a big fan of special highly orchestrated events when the whole 
team gathers and waits and then looks for regressions after deploying 
dozens of commits at the same time. I've been reading a bit and it's a 
fact that some projects do Continuous Deployment and it works for them:

http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/03/continuous-deployment-5-eas.html
http://timothyfitz.com/2009/02/10/continuous-deployment-at-imvu-doing-the-impossible-fifty-times-a-day/
http://www.slideshare.net/mikebrittain/mbrittain-continuous-deploymentalm3public

Is there any interest at WMF in taking this path at some point?

--
Juliusz


On 12/26/2012 09:31 AM, Chris McMahon wrote:

Hi,

A number of people I know of have ideas and aspirations pertaining to a
DevOps-style deployment process, a.k.a Continuous Deployment.  In recent
times a number of pieces of such a system have become functional:  Zuul,
Jenkins enhancements for tests, automated acceptance tests, etc.

But looking at mediawiki.org I don't see any sort of central discussion of
overall approach/design/process for DevOps/Continuous Deployment.

Is it time to start such a discussion?  Or is this premature?

-Chris
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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Luke Welling WMF
I am strongly of the opinion that within broad ranges deployment frequency
does not matter.  It really does not matter if you deploy twice an hour or
every second day.

But, having the machinery to make it so that you could deploy twice an hour
if you wanted to is all kinds of valuable.

Putting time into building:
 * Continuous integration with build-on-commit
 * Tests with good coverage
 * A staging environment that reflects production
 * Managed configuration
 * Scripted deployment to a large number of machines
pays dividends in uptime, ops sanity and developer productivity even if you
only use that machinery every few days.

We have some of that, but heading further down that road would be a good
thing even if we chose to keep organized periodic deployments.

Luke Welling


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera jgon...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Sorry for digging up an old thread, but today I also started wondering if
 there's a way of making our deployments simpler and faster.

 I'm not a big fan of special highly orchestrated events when the whole
 team gathers and waits and then looks for regressions after deploying
 dozens of commits at the same time. I've been reading a bit and it's a fact
 that some projects do Continuous Deployment and it works for them:
 http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/**03/continuous-deployment-5-**eas.htmlhttp://radar.oreilly.com/2009/03/continuous-deployment-5-eas.html
 http://timothyfitz.com/2009/**02/10/continuous-deployment-**
 at-imvu-doing-the-impossible-**fifty-times-a-day/http://timothyfitz.com/2009/02/10/continuous-deployment-at-imvu-doing-the-impossible-fifty-times-a-day/
 http://www.slideshare.net/**mikebrittain/mbrittain-**continuous-**
 deploymentalm3publichttp://www.slideshare.net/mikebrittain/mbrittain-continuous-deploymentalm3public

 Is there any interest at WMF in taking this path at some point?

 --
 Juliusz



 On 12/26/2012 09:31 AM, Chris McMahon wrote:

 Hi,

 A number of people I know of have ideas and aspirations pertaining to a
 DevOps-style deployment process, a.k.a Continuous Deployment.  In recent
 times a number of pieces of such a system have become functional:  Zuul,
 Jenkins enhancements for tests, automated acceptance tests, etc.

 But looking at mediawiki.org I don't see any sort of central discussion
 of
 overall approach/design/process for DevOps/Continuous Deployment.

 Is it time to start such a discussion?  Or is this premature?

 -Chris
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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 02/20/2013 02:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote:
 Sorry for digging up an old thread, but today I also started wondering
 if there's a way of making our deployments simpler and faster.

Wikimedia is already doing deployments every other week.  On top of
that, a wiki that gets a lot of use and is used by the number of core
committers (translatewiki.net) does deployments on a daily (or more?) basis.

At this point, I don't think they get into a huddle to monitor
deployments (though I could certainly be wrong).

So, the software gets a lot of use that way.

I think there is a lot of ground to cover before we get more continuous
deployments, but what were you thinking we needed?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Arthur Richards
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Juliusz Gonera jgon...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 I'm not a big fan of special highly orchestrated events when the whole
 team gathers and waits and then looks for regressions after deploying
 dozens of commits at the same time.


I don't know if this is true of other teams (I assume it's not), but this
has been how the mobile team has been doing deployments. Some reasons for
this are that we currently do not have automated tests, we need myriad
device testing coverage, unexpected things have a tendency to go wrong only
in production, the codebase is evolving very rapidly (even our weekly
deployments can be rather larger and hairy), etc. We don't necessarily need
all hands on deck for deployments, but it makes discovering regressions and
debugging things that go sideways only in production  a lot faster.


 Is there any interest at WMF in taking this path at some point?


Once we have MobileFrontend working properly (in a production-like manner)
on betalabs, we'll be a big step closer to this - particularly once
betalabs is continuously updating to head of master for MobileFrontend. I
believe a majority of the problems we find during MobileFrontend
deployments would get caught during QA/testing in this environment.

I know the QA team has been talking about coordinating automated testing
for mobile, but I'm not sure what the current status is - hopefully sooner
rather than later ;)

Once these two pieces are in place, MobileFrontend deployments should be
much less painful and require less focus from the entire team, and we'll be
a stone's throw from the glorious future of continuous deployment :D

-- 
Arthur Richards
Software Engineer, Mobile
[[User:Awjrichards]]
IRC: awjr
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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Željko Filipin
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 I know the QA team has been talking about coordinating automated testing

for mobile, but I'm not sure what the current status is - hopefully sooner
 rather than later ;)


Everything is set up. The only missing piece (quoting you): betalabs is
continuously updating to head of master for MobileFrontend. When we have
that it will make sense to run browser tests (iOS and Androdid) after every
commit.

For now they run at least twice a day:

https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/

If you have any questions, let me know. I am in San Francisco for the next
couple of weeks, if somebody wants to talk in person.

Željko
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Re: [Wikitech-l] DevOps/Continuous Deployment discussion?

2013-02-20 Thread Arthur Richards
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Željko Filipin zfili...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  I know the QA team has been talking about coordinating automated testing
 
 for mobile, but I'm not sure what the current status is - hopefully sooner
  rather than later ;)
 

 Everything is set up. The only missing piece (quoting you): betalabs is
 continuously updating to head of master for MobileFrontend. When we have
 that it will make sense to run browser tests (iOS and Androdid) after every
 commit.


Thanks Željko! This is so rad. We are very close :)

-- 
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Software Engineer, Mobile
[[User:Awjrichards]]
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[Wikitech-l] Module namespace

2013-02-20 Thread Bináris
What is the number of the new namespace we got from Scribunto?
How can we localize the name of it? In huwiki it should be Modul rather
than Module. We found only core namespaces in translatewiki.

Thank you!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Module namespace

2013-02-20 Thread Petr Onderka
According to 
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=namespaces
(and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace), it's 828.

Petr Onderka
[[en:User:Svick]]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote:
 What is the number of the new namespace we got from Scribunto?
 How can we localize the name of it? In huwiki it should be Modul rather
 than Module. We found only core namespaces in translatewiki.

 Thank you!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Module namespace

2013-02-20 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote:
 What is the number of the new namespace we got from Scribunto?
 How can we localize the name of it? In huwiki it should be Modul rather
 than Module. We found only core namespaces in translatewiki.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Petr Onderka gsv...@gmail.com wrote:
 According to 
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=namespaces
 (and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace), it's 828.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FScribunto.gita=searchh=HEADst=greps=828

Yes, and it's been translated to one language already: hebrew (he).

I'm not sure how to get that into translatewiki. CC'ing their list.

-Jeremy

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for accepting backported patch sets for maintained versions?

2013-02-20 Thread Greg Grossmeier
(apologies for the none-theading of this; I wasn't subscribed to
wikitech-l with this address when this message/thread was sent)

quote name=Mark A. Hershberger date=2013-02-19 time=23:09:18
 On Tue 19 Feb 2013 04:39:25 PM EST, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
  My longer term question is: Who is MediaWiki's release manager, and
  what
  can we expect of the person who has that role?
 
  I think the answer is now that Greg Grossmeier fills the role of
  MediaWiki's release manager so he will have to answer this. :-)

 This subject has come up a couple of times in the past week so I look 
 forward to working with Greg to implement some policy around MediaWiki 
 releases -- especially the point releases for 1.19, the LTS release.  
 There is a lot to discuss and I look forward to those conversations.

Hello!

To make this explicit:

Everyone: please do feel free to contact me (email or on IRC, I'm
greg-g) with any ideas, concerns, breakthroughs, gotchas, whatever
dealing with this topic. I might not be able to do anything about it
now, and I might not be the right person to deal with it in all cases,
but I can help route things and keep notes so that we don't lose track
of good ideas.

Generally, what can you expect from me in this new role? I hope the
email robla sent announcing my position can clarify much of it:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html

Quoting robla:
 Greg will be managing the deployment process for the Wikimedia
 websites, focusing at first on improving release notes and outbound
 communication, freeing up folks like Sam to focus the engineering
 aspects of the role.  He'll help our Bug Wrangler (Andre) figure out
 how to deal with high priority deployment-related issues; Andre will
 continue to broadly manage the flow of all bugs, while Greg will
 narrowly focus on very high priority issues through fix deployment.
 He'll also take over coordination of our deployment calendar[1], and
 will likely be a little nosier than many of us have had the time to
 do. Over time, Greg will look more holistically at our deployment
 practice, and potentially lead a change over to a more continuous
 deployment model.

Best,

Greg

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[Wikitech-l] Commons mobile uploads testing week

2013-02-20 Thread Quim Gil
Uploading pictures from mobile devices to Wikimedia Commons must be 
simple for everybody! The Wikimedia Mobile engineering team has fresh 
software and you can help testing it.


WHEN

Kick-off on Monday February 25 at 17:30 UTC (9:30 PST - 23:00 IST).

The testing focus will continue during the rest of the week until Sunday 
March 3.



WHERE

Online: for details see  watch

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_QA/Commons_uploads

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