[Wikitech-l] What about feature poll?

[Yury Katkov]

Hi everyone!

It seems that the for-profit company can be as open as the community! I
really like the idea of feature poll of the Blue Spice [1] I wonder: have
anyone tried to run something similar for MediaWiki?
In Semantic MediaWiki we also run polls and surveys from time to time, here
is the one: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMW_users_survey_results

I think that such surveys can have surprising results for the developers
and they are surely nice steps to openness in MediaWiki production process.

[1] http://answers.blue-spice.org/index.php/questions
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Nicolas Vervelle]

Yes, thanks,

I will use pageswithprop to retrieve all disambiguation pages.
I didn't find it at first because it wasn't listed in
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Lists

Nico


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> On 7/10/13 2:15 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Ryan Kaldari 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
>>> api.php?action=query&list=**querypage&qppage=**DisambiguationPages
>>>
>> ... That really shouldn't be allowed by list=querypage, since we have
>> list=pageswithprop that does the same thing.
>>
>
> Oops, I didn't know about that one. Looks like you can now pull all the
> disambiguation pages using:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&**
> generator=pageswithprop&**gpwppropname=disambiguation
>
> That should take care of Nico's request.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Ryan Kaldari]

On 7/10/13 2:15 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:

Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
api.php?action=query&list=querypage&qppage=DisambiguationPages

... That really shouldn't be allowed by list=querypage, since we have
list=pageswithprop that does the same thing.


Oops, I didn't know about that one. Looks like you can now pull all the 
disambiguation pages using:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=pageswithprop&gpwppropname=disambiguation

That should take care of Nico's request.

Ryan Kaldari

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
>
> Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
> api.php?action=query&list=querypage&qppage=DisambiguationPages

... That really shouldn't be allowed by list=querypage, since we have
list=pageswithprop that does the same thing.

I submitted https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/73034 and
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/73035 to take care of that.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Ryan Kaldari]

On 7/10/13 11:02 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:49:27 -0700, Ryan Kaldari 
 wrote:



Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
api.php?action=query&list=querypage&qppage=DisambiguationPages
Unfortunately, since the WMF wikis run in MiserMode, this API will 
only return a maximum of 1000-5000 results (depending on what wiki 
you're on). I'm going to do some profiling/optimization on the query 
though and see if it would be possible to remove the 'expensive' 
designation, which would allow retrieving all the disambiguation pages.


Ryan Kaldari


Wasn't the expensive designation due to the use of multiple 
templatelinks in the query? Now that page_props are being used instead 
the expensive bit might go away


I've optimized the query so that it is no longer expensive. Just needs 
code review:

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/73008

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Daniel Friesen]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:49:27 -0700, Ryan Kaldari   
wrote:



On 7/10/13 2:46 AM, Nicolas Vervelle wrote:

Good,

Thanks to Eran answer, I know how to determine for all links in a page
which one are to a disambiguation page.
For WPCleaner, I also need to be able to retrieve the complete list of
disambiguation pages through the API.
I looked at the allpages request [1], but I didn't see a way to get only
pages with this property set.
Is there an other way ?


Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
api.php?action=query&list=querypage&qppage=DisambiguationPages
Unfortunately, since the WMF wikis run in MiserMode, this API will only  
return a maximum of 1000-5000 results (depending on what wiki you're  
on). I'm going to do some profiling/optimization on the query though and  
see if it would be possible to remove the 'expensive' designation, which  
would allow retrieving all the disambiguation pages.


Ryan Kaldari


Wasn't the expensive designation due to the use of multiple templatelinks  
in the query? Now that page_props are being used instead the expensive bit  
might go away.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Ryan Kaldari]

On 7/10/13 2:46 AM, Nicolas Vervelle wrote:

Good,

Thanks to Eran answer, I know how to determine for all links in a page
which one are to a disambiguation page.
For WPCleaner, I also need to be able to retrieve the complete list of
disambiguation pages through the API.
I looked at the allpages request [1], but I didn't see a way to get only
pages with this property set.
Is there an other way ?


Disambiguator implements an API for retrieving all disambiguation pages:
api.php?action=query&list=querypage&qppage=DisambiguationPages
Unfortunately, since the WMF wikis run in MiserMode, this API will only 
return a maximum of 1000-5000 results (depending on what wiki you're 
on). I'm going to do some profiling/optimization on the query though and 
see if it would be possible to remove the 'expensive' designation, which 
would allow retrieving all the disambiguation pages.


Ryan Kaldari

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[Wikitech-l] SUL2 deploy changed to Monday July 15th

[Greg Grossmeier]

Update on deploy date:

We are going to delay this rollout until Monday July 15th so we can iron
out some last minute issues. We want the first experience anyone has
with this to go smoothly so we think the small delay is worth it.

If you have informed any Village Pumps of this deploy, please do me a
favor and update them with the new date :-).

Thanks for your understanding,

Greg


> Summary:
> On Thursday July 11th we will be enabling a new centralized login
> service to make the login experience for users more streamlined.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
>>Has the API been modified so that we can ask it if a page is a
>>disambiguation page ?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithProp can look up pages by
> property name. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent module for the Web
> API yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=pageswithprop&pwppropname=disambiguation

> The Web API has disambiguation-related query pages as well (including
> Special:DisambiguationPageLinks, which I'm only now learning exists).

Special:DisambiguationPageLinks and Special:DisambiguationPages are
added by the Disambiguator extension.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] Suggested file format of new incremental dumps

[Petr Onderka]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Randall Farmer  wrote:

> > Keeping the dumps in a text-based format doesn't make sense, because
> that can't be updated efficiently, which is the whole reason for the new
> dumps.
>
> First, glad to see there's motion here.
>
> It's definitely true that recompressing the entire history to .bz2 or .7z
> goes very, very slowly. Also, I don't know of an existing tool that lets
> you just insert new data here and there without compressing all of the
> unchanged data as well. Those point towards some sort of format change.
>
> I'm not sure a new format has to be sparse or indexed to get around those
> two big problems.
>
> For full-history dumps, delta coding (or the related idea of long-range
> redundancy compression) runs faster than bzip2 or 7z and produces good
> compression ratios on full-history dumps, based on some 
> tests
> . (I'm going to focus mostly on full-history dumps here because they're
> the hard case and one Ariel said is currently painful--not everything here
> will apply to latest-revs dumps.)
>
> For inserting data, you do seemingly need to break the file up into
> independently-compressed sections containing just one page's revision
> history or a fragment of it, so you can add new diff(s) to a page's
> revision history without decompressing and recompressing the previous
> revisions. (Removing previously-dumped revisions is another story, but it's
> rarer.) You'd be in new territory just doing that; I don't know of existing
> compression tools that really allow that.
>
> You could do those two things, though, while still keeping full-history
> dumps a once-every-so-often batch process that produces a sorted file. The
> time to rewrite the file, stripped of the big compression steps, could be
> bearable--a disk can read or write about 100 MB/s, so just copying the 70G
> of the .7z enwiki dumps is well under an hour; if the part bound by CPU and
> other steps is smallish, you're OK.
>
> A format like the proposed one, with revisions inserted wherever there's
> free space when they come in, will also eventually fragment the revision
> history for one page (I think Ariel alluded to this in some early notes).
> Unlike sequential read/writes, seeks are something HDDs are sadly pretty
> slow at (hence the excitement about solid-state disks); if thousands of
> revisions are coming in a day, it eventually becomes slow to read things in
> the old page/revision order, and you need fancy techniques to defrag (maybe
> a big external-memory sort )
> or you need to only read the dump on fast hardware that can handle the
> seeks. Doing occasional batch jobs that produce sorted files could help
> avoid the fragmentation question.
>

These are some interesting ideas.

You're right that the copying the whole dump is fast enough (it would
probably add about an hour to a process that currently takes several days).
But it would also pretty much force the use of delta compression. And while
I would like to use delta compression, I don't think it's a good idea to be
forced to use it, because I might not have the time for it or it might not
be good enough.

Because of that, I decided to stay with my indexed approach.


>  There's a great quote about the difficulty of "constructing a software
> design...to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies."
> (Wikiquote came through with the full text/attribution, of 
> course.)
> I admit it's tricky and people can disagree about what's simple enough or
> even what approach is simpler of two choices, but it's something to strive
> for.
>
> Anyway, I'm wary about going into the technical weeds of other folks'
> projects, because, hey, it's your project! I'm trying to map out the
> options in the hope that you could get a product you're happier with and
> maybe give you more time in a tight three-month schedule to improve on your
> work and not just complete it. Whatever you do, good luck and I'm
> interested to see the results!
>

Feel free to comment more. I am the one implementing the project, but
that's all. Input from others is always welcome.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[shi zhao]

So, a disambiguation page still a article? Or not?
Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
My blog: http://shizhao.org
twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao

[[zh:User:Shizhao]]


2013/7/10 Nicolas Vervelle :
> Good,
>
> Thanks to Eran answer, I know how to determine for all links in a page
> which one are to a disambiguation page.
> For WPCleaner, I also need to be able to retrieve the complete list of
> disambiguation pages through the API.
> I looked at the allpages request [1], but I didn't see a way to get only
> pages with this property set.
> Is there an other way ?
>
> Nico
>
> [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Allpages
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eran and MZMcBride,
>>
>> I'm going to update WPCleaner to take advantage of this new possibility.
>> It should result in less API requests and so a faster loading of pages for
>> fixing disambiguation links. Great :)
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Eran Rosenthal wrote:
>>
>>> Nice extension :)
>>>
>>> You may use generator to enjoy this new property. For example to check
>>> whether there is a disambig link from SOME_TITLE
>>>
>>> en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=SOME_TITLE&prop=pageprops&ppprop=disambiguation&gpllimit=500
>>>
>>> (without this extension it was possible only with external tools such as
>>> dablinks: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Dablinks)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
>>> > >Has the API been modified so that we can ask it if a page is a
>>> > >disambiguation page ?
>>> >
>>> > Looks like it.
>>> >
>>> > Starting point:
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
>>> >
>>> > List of available property names:
>>> >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=pagepropnames&ppnlimit
>>> > =100
>>> >
>>> > Look up properties of a particular title:
>>> >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=pageprops&titles=Madon
>>> > na
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithProp can look up pages
>>> by
>>> > property name. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent module for the Web
>>> > API yet.
>>> >
>>> > The Web API has disambiguation-related query pages as well (including
>>> > Special:DisambiguationPageLinks, which I'm only now learning exists).
>>> >
>>> > MZMcBride
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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[Wikitech-l] [Language Engineering] Reminder: Office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT

[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Hello,

This is a reminder that the Language Engineering team will be hosting an
IRC office hour later today, i.e. July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT on
#wikimedia-office (Freenode).

Thanks
Runa

Agenda:
==

1. ULS Rollout
2. Other updates
3. Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions
can also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org or siebrand at wikimedia
dot org before the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Runa Bhattacharjee 
Date: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Subject: [Language Engineering] Office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700
UTC/1000 PDT
To: Wikimedia developers , Wikimedia
Mailing List , MediaWiki
internationalisation 


Hello,

The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join
the team’s monthly office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/ 1000 PDT
on #wikimedia-office. During this session we would be talking about
some of our recent activities, including the Universal Language
Selector (ULS) rollout and updates from the ongoing projects.

See you all at the IRC office hour!

regards,
Runa

Event Details:
==

Date: July 10, 2013 (Wednesday)
Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 AM PDT
IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net

Agenda:

1. ULS Rollout
2. Other updates
3. Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions
can also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org or siebrand at wikimedia
dot org before the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.


[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team


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Re: [Wikitech-l] SUL (Single User Login) deploy to all wikis on Thursday July 11th

[Bináris]

This sounds very well! I have a lot of problems with global login and
the login success page is really unneccessary, so I am looking forward
to this develpoment.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Nicolas Vervelle]

Good,

Thanks to Eran answer, I know how to determine for all links in a page
which one are to a disambiguation page.
For WPCleaner, I also need to be able to retrieve the complete list of
disambiguation pages through the API.
I looked at the allpages request [1], but I didn't see a way to get only
pages with this property set.
Is there an other way ?

Nico

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Allpages



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Nicolas Vervelle wrote:

> Thanks Eran and MZMcBride,
>
> I'm going to update WPCleaner to take advantage of this new possibility.
> It should result in less API requests and so a faster loading of pages for
> fixing disambiguation links. Great :)
>
> Nico
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Eran Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> Nice extension :)
>>
>> You may use generator to enjoy this new property. For example to check
>> whether there is a disambig link from SOME_TITLE
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=SOME_TITLE&prop=pageprops&ppprop=disambiguation&gpllimit=500
>>
>> (without this extension it was possible only with external tools such as
>> dablinks: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Dablinks)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>>
>> > Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
>> > >Has the API been modified so that we can ask it if a page is a
>> > >disambiguation page ?
>> >
>> > Looks like it.
>> >
>> > Starting point:
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
>> >
>> > List of available property names:
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=pagepropnames&ppnlimit
>> > =100
>> >
>> > Look up properties of a particular title:
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=pageprops&titles=Madon
>> > na
>> > 
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithProp can look up pages
>> by
>> > property name. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent module for the Web
>> > API yet.
>> >
>> > The Web API has disambiguation-related query pages as well (including
>> > Special:DisambiguationPageLinks, which I'm only now learning exists).
>> >
>> > MZMcBride
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Antoine Musso]

Le 10/07/13 00:10, Ryan Kaldari a écrit :
> The Disambiguator extension
> (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Disambiguator) is now deployed
> to all WMF wikis. This will enable us to:
> 1. Remove disambiguation code from core, including
> Special:Disambiguations (bug 35981)
> 2. Stop requiring wikis to maintain template lists at
> MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
> 3. Add features like warning users when they are linking to
> disambiguation pages (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70564)
> 4. Remove disambiguation pages from things like Special:Random and
> Special:LonelyPages
> 4. Enable the development of more powerful 3rd party tools for dealing
> with disambiguation pages

That is really wonderful!  I love the Disambiguation system but always
thought it was not very nicely implemented.   Thank you a ton to have
taken care of making it more modern.

Kudos to everyone involved \O/

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[Nicolas Vervelle]

Thanks Eran and MZMcBride,

I'm going to update WPCleaner to take advantage of this new possibility.
It should result in less API requests and so a faster loading of pages for
fixing disambiguation links. Great :)

Nico


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Eran Rosenthal  wrote:

> Nice extension :)
>
> You may use generator to enjoy this new property. For example to check
> whether there is a disambig link from SOME_TITLE
>
> en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=links&titles=SOME_TITLE&prop=pageprops&ppprop=disambiguation&gpllimit=500
>
> (without this extension it was possible only with external tools such as
> dablinks: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Dablinks)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>
> > Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
> > >Has the API been modified so that we can ask it if a page is a
> > >disambiguation page ?
> >
> > Looks like it.
> >
> > Starting point:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
> >
> > List of available property names:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=pagepropnames&ppnlimit
> > =100
> >
> > Look up properties of a particular title:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=pageprops&titles=Madon
> > na
> > 
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithProp can look up pages by
> > property name. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent module for the Web
> > API yet.
> >
> > The Web API has disambiguation-related query pages as well (including
> > Special:DisambiguationPageLinks, which I'm only now learning exists).
> >
> > MZMcBride
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)

[K. Peachey]

I bet the JobQueue would be loving that.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
 wrote:
> As all templates requiring it are listed in
> [[MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage]], why not run a global bot? It's surely
> easier than trying to find 800 editors.

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