Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

[quiddity]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
>
> [1] I remember User:Sj calling
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog "the best page on
> Wikipedia"; he's quite right.
>

+1.
I also like the
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Maintenance_panel linked in
the sidebar there.
From the tooltip explanations, to the subtle graph-lines.
I would perhaps prefer the scrolling lists in the top-row to be given
a bit more vertical space, but I'm not a regular editor there so don't
really have the background to advise.

Are there any/many more pages like this at other wikis, that have more
unique characteristics?

(I keep hoping/waiting to see [[sparkline]]s somewhere in our articles
or backend pages... :)

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[Wikitech-l] Welcome Editing product analyst Neil P. Quinn

[James Forrester]

I
​ am very pleased to welcome Neil P. Quinn as the latest member of the Editing
team , as our product analyst
working alongside me.

I​
n his own words:


I was born and raised in North Carolina—specifically the lovely, humid,
famous-for-NASCAR city of Concord
 (pronounced
*kon-KORD*, not *KON-kerd* like the place in New Hampshire, thank you very
much)—although my dad is originally from Cleveland and my mom from Gujarat
 by way of Chicago. I have one older
brother , who's putting me to shame by doing a PhD
in geology at Caltech, and two younger sisters who were adopted from India.

I went to college at Georgetown University
 in Washington, DC. I
originally studied Middle Eastern history, which took me to Jordan for an
eight-month study abroad program, but about halfway through, after I
decided that life in a think tank wasn't for me, I switched my major to
international economics. I spent some internships trying out marketing,
including one in a "boutique thought leadership consultancy" located half a
block from K Street
, where I
did things like help the United States Travel Association
 scheme to get people to travel more. I
eventually found my way to software product stuff, including an internship
at Appcelerator , which I have
to say I liked a lot better.

I graduated this past December. I'm a longtime Wikipedian
, so when I happened to
notice that the foundation was hiring, I made that the very first
application I sent out. The process did take 9 interviews and 70 days, but
it was worth the wait! I'm very excited to meet you all, and to hang out in
a place where I can talk about Wikimedia arcana without sounding like a
dork.

Obligatory listing of hobbies: biking, cooking, tennis, social science, and
foreign languages (I speak Spanish and Arabic; Gujarati
 is next up).

​Please join me in welcoming Neil, who started on Monday.

​Yours,
-- 
James D. Forrester
Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Pine W]

Regarding blog posting, I agree it's a good idea. Might want to wait on
advertising the CSV import until it works for all users, which sounds like
it will be April 29. In the meantime though, there could be a series of
blog posts about other good aspects of VE.

I suggest heavily emphasizing the faster load times and how this was
achieved. That post would appeal both to Wikipedians who were upset about
lengthy load times with early versions of VE, and to software engineers who
may be interested in knowing how such significant improvements were
achieved.

I'm planning to produce a short video tutorial about VE for the benefit of
people who are attending Cascadia Wikimedians workshops in the near future,
and others can reuse it if they wish. However, I think that including a
video demonstration of the CSV import technique would be valuable, and that
will need to wait until after the functionality is rolled out on the 29th,
so early May might be a realistic timeframe for having a video of high
enough quality that it would be worth advertising. Of course, others can
proceed on their own with communicating improvements about VE, and a series
of blog posts sounds like a good way to do that, perhaps one a week for the
next few weeks.

Cheers,



Pine

*This is an Encyclopedia* 






*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*

*—Catherine Munro*

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard"  wrote:
> >
> > On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> > > feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
> be
> > > dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
> >
> >
> > We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too
> > many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically
> > sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
>
> We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking
> about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical
> perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most
> highly trafficked on the blog).
>
> I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.
>
> >
> >
> > > Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
> Copy/Paste.
> >
> > In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You
> > can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through
> > each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane
> > way to edit tables.
> >
> > Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
> >
> > And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
> >
> >
> > - d.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Jonathan Morgan]

+1 on blog post. I think it's finally time to celebrate success here. I was
using VE for table editing the other day, and it worked amazingly well.
Nice job, y'all. - J

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard"  wrote:
> >
> > On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> > > feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
> be
> > > dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
> >
> >
> > We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too
> > many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically
> > sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
>
> We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking
> about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical
> perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most
> highly trafficked on the blog).
>
> I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.
>
> >
> >
> > > Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
> Copy/Paste.
> >
> > In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You
> > can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through
> > each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane
> > way to edit tables.
> >
> > Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
> >
> > And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[James Forrester]

On 15 April 2015 at 18:12, James Forrester  wrote:

> On 15 April 2015 at 17:59, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't
>> work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with
>> Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I
>> want
>> to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome?
>
>
> ​Nope, works fine in Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari testing locally.
> Possibly something's odd about your system, or we missed something that
> makes it break in some circumstances – could you please file a task in
> Phabricator? Thanks.
>

​To close the loop on this bug, Pine gave us the data
[*] to find the issue and fix it; this will roll out to test wikis on
Wednesday 22 April, and to Wikipedias on 29 April
​ in the usual way​
.
​
​Many
 thanks
!.​
​

[*] – https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218

J.
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Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Katherine Maher]

On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard"  wrote:
>
> On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal  wrote:
>
> > I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> > feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
be
> > dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
>
>
> We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too
> many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically
> sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.

We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking
about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical
perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most
highly trafficked on the blog).

I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.

>
>
> > Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
Copy/Paste.
>
> In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You
> can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through
> each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane
> way to edit tables.
>
> Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
>
> And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
>
>
> - d.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[David Gerard]

On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal  wrote:

> I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be
> dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.


We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too
many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically
sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.


> Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.

In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You
can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through
each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane
way to edit tables.

Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.

And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!


- d.

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