Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] An "advanced search" page for CirrusSearch?

2015-10-13 Thread Oliver Keyes 
With my Search team hat on, I really love this idea. It'd be great to
pair it with a simplification of the 'usual' search interface - I
share Isarra's feelings on namespace search being pretty ham-fisted,
and as time gets on find the many-element tickboxes that control it a
painful UI element.

On 13 October 2015 at 02:24, Erik Bernhardson
 wrote:
> I've thought several times before that CirrusSearch has plenty of advanced
> syntax, and almost no-one knows about they exist. We added a help link to
> Special:Search but this help link is per wiki, and I don't think any of the
> wikis Help:Searching pages even includes the cirrus syntax. On enwiki at
> least mw:Help:CirrusSearch is linked (at the very very bottom) which might
> allow a perseverant wikipedian to find them, much more could be done
> though.
>
> This would be interesting to work on, but I don't expect Discovery will
> find time to investigate this for Q2. For the current quarter Discovery is
> focusing its efforts towards fixing the search results you get with a plain
> query that contains no special syntax. The search results are just not
> nearly as relevant as they can be.
>
> I'm certain I could find time to review anything put together for this
> though.  Off the top of my head I would probably start by adjusting how the
> autocompleter works, having it know the various prefixes available and
> include them in the autocomplete drop down. Thats just a random idea from
> me though, it seems there are plenty of other ideas to go around. If anyone
> from the community plans to work on this just add me to the related gerrit
> patch or phabricator ticket and I'll try and help you move it along.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/15 17:12, Daniel Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> MZMcBride writes:
>>>
 It also seems worthwhile to note that "Special:Search" already has an
 advanced profile/tab where users can select arbitrary namespaces to
 search.

>>> Technically that is true, but I suspect that 95% of the time, 95% of
>>> users care only about the main namespace. Filter by category, wildcard
>>> searches, title searches, fuzzy searches, etc., are eminently more usable.
>>> I'll probably build an advanced search plugin myself if nobody else has
>>> done it yet.
>>>
>>> DanB
>>>
>>
>> This is an important point. Namespace searching by itself really feels
>> like a much more ham-fisted approach to a lot of this, for when lacking
>> anything more elegant to narrow things down (not that it's not useful too).
>> But we do have elegant now, and yet nobody sees it.
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] One Month Anniversary (Alangi Derick)

2015-10-13 Thread Alangi Derick 
Thanks so much Erica Litrenta. Don't worry, you will see more updates
monthly. I really enjoy contributing the Movement and i wish to see you
someday in any of Wiki's conference. Thanks again for your inspiration.

Regards
Alangi Derick Ndimnain

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Erica Litrenta 
wrote:

> Congrats for your "monthiversary", d3r1ck,
> and thanks for your thorough report.
> Sounds like you're enjoying the experience of contributing to the Movement,
> so I certainly hope to read other enthusiastic updates from you in the
> future.
>
> Best,
> Elitre (WMF)
>
>
>
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:20:08 +0100
> > From: Alangi Derick 
> > To: Wikimedia developers 
> > Subject: [Wikitech-l] One Month Anniversary
> > Message-ID:
> >  > hyrpddbn8_7tc2qec...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi Fellow Developers,
> >Greetings to all my fellow developers and contributors to the wiki
> > community. I am happy to write to you all and to pass my small piece of
> > information about congratulating myself for making One month in the wiki
> > community and for being and active contributor.
> >
> > I have been submitting patches to this organisation in for both the
> > wiki-core and extensions like;
> > Core
> > 
> > - WikiMedia Core
> >
> > Extensions
> > =
> > - Echo
> > - Thanks
> > - MobileFrontend
> > - Mailgun ( authoring with Tony Thomas )
> > - WikibaseJavascriptAPI
> > - OOjs/UI
> > - VisualEditor
> >
> > Linking you to my gerrit account's merged patches:
> > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:D3r1ck01+status:merged,n,z .
> >
> > I am very happy for familiarizing myself with the following people who
> have
> > been of very big help to me in making me learn the Wiki Media code base
> > - Brian Bawolf
> > - Reedy
> > - Quim Gil (for his great advices)
> > - Hoo Man (WikiData, for his inspiration)
> > - Tony Thomas
> > - jdlrobson (Mobile FE)
> > - Glaisher
> > - and more
> >
> > I wish to thank everyone who has helped me in one way or the other and i
> > will do all my possible best to make sure Wiki grows to the highest
> height
> > it can obtain. Wish you all the best Wiki Developers and contributors.
> >
> > Cheers Alangi Derick ( d3r1ck01, d3r1ck [irc] )
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] One Month Anniversary (Alangi Derick)

2015-10-13 Thread Erica Litrenta 
Congrats for your "monthiversary", d3r1ck,
and thanks for your thorough report.
Sounds like you're enjoying the experience of contributing to the Movement,
so I certainly hope to read other enthusiastic updates from you in the
future.

Best,
Elitre (WMF)



> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:20:08 +0100
> From: Alangi Derick 
> To: Wikimedia developers 
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] One Month Anniversary
> Message-ID:
>  hyrpddbn8_7tc2qec...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Fellow Developers,
>Greetings to all my fellow developers and contributors to the wiki
> community. I am happy to write to you all and to pass my small piece of
> information about congratulating myself for making One month in the wiki
> community and for being and active contributor.
>
> I have been submitting patches to this organisation in for both the
> wiki-core and extensions like;
> Core
> 
> - WikiMedia Core
>
> Extensions
> =
> - Echo
> - Thanks
> - MobileFrontend
> - Mailgun ( authoring with Tony Thomas )
> - WikibaseJavascriptAPI
> - OOjs/UI
> - VisualEditor
>
> Linking you to my gerrit account's merged patches:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:D3r1ck01+status:merged,n,z .
>
> I am very happy for familiarizing myself with the following people who have
> been of very big help to me in making me learn the Wiki Media code base
> - Brian Bawolf
> - Reedy
> - Quim Gil (for his great advices)
> - Hoo Man (WikiData, for his inspiration)
> - Tony Thomas
> - jdlrobson (Mobile FE)
> - Glaisher
> - and more
>
> I wish to thank everyone who has helped me in one way or the other and i
> will do all my possible best to make sure Wiki grows to the highest height
> it can obtain. Wish you all the best Wiki Developers and contributors.
>
> Cheers Alangi Derick ( d3r1ck01, d3r1ck [irc] )
>
>
> --
>
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [discovery] WikiConference USA

2015-10-13 Thread Pine W 
Yes, Andrew's talk was quite good. He and I recorded video at some of the
other sessions, including a SWOT analysis and visioning exercise regarding
Wikipedia culture, and a session about video on Wikipedia. Some of the
videos (Andrew's) came out better than others (mine) due to hardware issues
(my camera's video quality is mediocre although some of its stills are
pretty good). Andrew will hopefully post links to the videos after they're
uploaded.

Pine
On Oct 13, 2015 2:55 PM, "Trey Jones"  wrote:

> For those who didn't make it to WikiConference USA, you can watch
> everything that happened in the biggest auditorium on YouTube. (Don't
> forget the settings to play at higher speed—most people don't talk as fast
> as you can listen.)
>
> While it isn't focused on Discovery, I found Andrew Lih's talk to be very
> interesting:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6U22uJzGM=24m30s
>
> Links to the other National Archives recordings are on the schedule:
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> Other talks were also recorded, but not by the National Archives. I'm sure
> they'll pop up somewhere online eventually.
>
> Aaron Halfaker gave a very cool talk on AI bots that support Wikipedia,
> and discusses a machine learning platform that could support other
> tasks—and though he didn't mention it, I thought of detecting languages,
> detecting gibberish queries (very similar to what they do to find gibberish
> edits), and other things that may be useful to Discovery:
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/Submissions:2015/Revscoring:_AI_support_for_Wikipedians
>
> See more on machine learning as a service here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Objective_Revision_Evaluation_Service
>
> —Trey
>
> Trey Jones
> Software Engineer, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Tools repository

2015-10-13 Thread Quim Gil 
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ricordisamoa 
wrote:

> Il 12/10/2015 18:56, Quim Gil ha scritto:
>
>>
>> Interesting. Has there been any discussion about having an authoritative
>> and well promoted catalog of Wikimedia tools?
>>
>
> Yes.
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2015-March/thread.html#3462


After reading the (short) discussion, I think it is worth creating a task
to assure that at least this idea is not forgotten again in another mailing
list archive. Ricordisamoa, do you want to create it and associate it at
lest with the #Developer-Relations project?

I also believe that we need a catalog of tools. Even when some experts in
our community know or can find what is available and functional, most
potential users of those tools will have a hard time connecting with them.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecate $wgEnableAPI?

2015-10-13 Thread Yuri Astrakhan 
+1
On Oct 14, 2015 02:49, "Erik Bernhardson" 
wrote:

> +∞. This switch can only make things more complicated, and i highly doubt
> developers are taking this into consideration when writing new features. It
> seems like a 'please break everything' switch.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Max Semenik 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey, I've created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115414 to remove
> > $wgEnableAPI. Quoting the bug:
> >
> > By now, MediaWiki is severely crippled without the API, with most of
> > interesting extensions relying on the API, it becomes more and more
> > problematic to disable it. Now it's probably fair to say that wikis that
> do
> > that are just shooting their own feet off for no good reason. Therefore,
> I
> > propose to officially declare that MW does not support working without
> the
> > API and remove this very setting.
> >
> > Please state your opinions on this.
> >
> > --
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> > Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
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[Wikitech-l] Deprecate $wgEnableAPI?

2015-10-13 Thread Max Semenik 
Hey, I've created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115414 to remove
$wgEnableAPI. Quoting the bug:

By now, MediaWiki is severely crippled without the API, with most of
interesting extensions relying on the API, it becomes more and more
problematic to disable it. Now it's probably fair to say that wikis that do
that are just shooting their own feet off for no good reason. Therefore, I
propose to officially declare that MW does not support working without the
API and remove this very setting.

Please state your opinions on this.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Tools repository

2015-10-13 Thread Pine W 
I like the idea of a tools index. Bob Cummings was looking for some GLAM
tools that IIRC sounded perfectly reasonable but no one seems to know if we
have them.

Pine
On Oct 13, 2015 6:52 PM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ricordisamoa <
> ricordisa...@openmailbox.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Il 12/10/2015 18:56, Quim Gil ha scritto:
> >
> >>
> >> Interesting. Has there been any discussion about having an authoritative
> >> and well promoted catalog of Wikimedia tools?
> >>
> >
> > Yes.
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2015-March/thread.html#3462
>
>
> After reading the (short) discussion, I think it is worth creating a task
> to assure that at least this idea is not forgotten again in another mailing
> list archive. Ricordisamoa, do you want to create it and associate it at
> lest with the #Developer-Relations project?
>
> I also believe that we need a catalog of tools. Even when some experts in
> our community know or can find what is available and functional, most
> potential users of those tools will have a hard time connecting with them.
>
> --
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> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecate $wgEnableAPI?

2015-10-13 Thread Erik Bernhardson 
+∞. This switch can only make things more complicated, and i highly doubt
developers are taking this into consideration when writing new features. It
seems like a 'please break everything' switch.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Max Semenik  wrote:

> Hey, I've created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115414 to remove
> $wgEnableAPI. Quoting the bug:
>
> By now, MediaWiki is severely crippled without the API, with most of
> interesting extensions relying on the API, it becomes more and more
> problematic to disable it. Now it's probably fair to say that wikis that do
> that are just shooting their own feet off for no good reason. Therefore, I
> propose to officially declare that MW does not support working without the
> API and remove this very setting.
>
> Please state your opinions on this.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] An "advanced search" page for CirrusSearch?

2015-10-13 Thread S Page 
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Erik Bernhardson <
ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> We added a help link to Special:Search
> 
>

Cool! It's blank on mediawiki.org , it seems just an admin decision to add
MediaWiki:search-summary on mw.org that links to
[[Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch]]

I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115429 for Special:Search to use
the standard addHelpLink() indicator for this help.

It seems a search expression builder would be hard unless it really knows
the exact syntax and escaping rules that the Cirrus back-end supports, but
a helper that inserts the prefixes could work.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] An "advanced search" page for CirrusSearch?

2015-10-13 Thread Erik Bernhardson 
I've thought several times before that CirrusSearch has plenty of advanced
syntax, and almost no-one knows about they exist. We added a help link to
Special:Search but this help link is per wiki, and I don't think any of the
wikis Help:Searching pages even includes the cirrus syntax. On enwiki at
least mw:Help:CirrusSearch is linked (at the very very bottom) which might
allow a perseverant wikipedian to find them, much more could be done
though.

This would be interesting to work on, but I don't expect Discovery will
find time to investigate this for Q2. For the current quarter Discovery is
focusing its efforts towards fixing the search results you get with a plain
query that contains no special syntax. The search results are just not
nearly as relevant as they can be.

I'm certain I could find time to review anything put together for this
though.  Off the top of my head I would probably start by adjusting how the
autocompleter works, having it know the various prefixes available and
include them in the autocomplete drop down. Thats just a random idea from
me though, it seems there are plenty of other ideas to go around. If anyone
from the community plans to work on this just add me to the related gerrit
patch or phabricator ticket and I'll try and help you move it along.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> On 06/10/15 17:12, Daniel Barrett wrote:
>
>> MZMcBride writes:
>>
>>> It also seems worthwhile to note that "Special:Search" already has an
>>> advanced profile/tab where users can select arbitrary namespaces to
>>> search.
>>>
>> Technically that is true, but I suspect that 95% of the time, 95% of
>> users care only about the main namespace. Filter by category, wildcard
>> searches, title searches, fuzzy searches, etc., are eminently more usable.
>> I'll probably build an advanced search plugin myself if nobody else has
>> done it yet.
>>
>> DanB
>>
>
> This is an important point. Namespace searching by itself really feels
> like a much more ham-fisted approach to a lot of this, for when lacking
> anything more elegant to narrow things down (not that it's not useful too).
> But we do have elegant now, and yet nobody sees it.
>
>
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