[Wikitech-l] I wish I would understand the mediawiki architecture and components
Gentlemen, I run around 290 small thematic citizen research wikis (nr being developping) under an old mediawiki version (I fear an upgrading hassle). In order to simplify their set-up I systemized them in using a script to build the symbolic directories from a unique central one, so I only have to build the LocalSettings.php, the images directories mainly for the wikilogo.gif particular to the site and to enter the templates manually. To be sure I can move them around without too much pain and keep them under their own password, I use SQLite . Round 20 minutes set-up each. With a friend we would like to transfer all this under MYSQL (or MariaDB?) in order to share template and WikiDB. Possibly on several machines. Possibly developping some extension on the middle range. Possibly transfering further on under another database system (to mix diffect entries and mail entries). I feel we would first need to study a conceptual block map of the MediaWiki architecture, internal exchanges and database requests. Does that exist ? Also, in order to manage the whole thing advisably I would need two tips: 1. is there a secure/reliable method/extension to protect pages on a per page basis ? 2. how to get on a daily basis the access count of the wiki pages ? Thank you ! jfc ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] SQLite Mediawiki support
At 18:42 26/09/2016, Aran wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I developed a MediaWikiLite system many years ago which worked reasonably well. It was for having a wiki on a memory stick that included the content and ability to edit it in the field without net access. Yes. Also easy back-up and replication. With extenbots around. Then the various wikilites being networked. It ran on SQLite and use Nanoweb, a web-server written in PHP to reduce dependencies further. It's very out of date now, but may be helpful: https://www.organicdesign.co.nz/MediaWikiLite Thanks. I had a read and will come back to it as I probably set-up a working group. Best jfc On 26/09/16 11:00, Jefsey wrote: > The personal way I am using wikimedia as an SQLite textbase I can X\Ú[HÛÜKØ@ckup from machine to machine and modifiy through > external bundled applications leads me to consider there is a need for HÚZÚ[YYXH\Ù\L HÛÛ\]XHÒRÒS]H[egrated/maintained > solution set. K\ÈÛÛY][Èike that been investigated in the pastHÛÝ[H@nterested by comments on the idea? Ë[ÛÈXÝ]H\proach that can best help users and possibly > wikimedia dévelopment? HÝH]\ÈH]ÛÜÙY[]YX[Ürofessionnal I am interested in ][KXYÙ[ÜY[Y[terwares and would like to investigate > "wikilite" networking capabilities (both about what networked > architectures could bring, and aboout capacity based content > security/protection). > > Thank you for your attention. @st > jfc > > > ×À_ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] SQLite Mediawiki support
At 00:36 27/09/2016, Brian Wolff wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Mediawiki supports sqlite. And you can pretty much use with any webserver - so are you basically asking for an installer? Some sort of xulrunner-esque thing so the interface doesnt look like a web browser? I did not know XULetc... So, some parts could be related. Actually the need I have is quite opposite to mediawiki but with the same tools: not to support a community with common knowledge, but to support a single/a small group of users/authors, with sustainable knowledge, i.e. texts I can consantly augment and update, so I can structure my "mneme" and build upon it, for me, for others. The key issue seems to be individual (wikilite) versus community mneme (wikipedia) I need the wikipedia proven tools and practices under the form of a compact and robuts system I can rely upon and run on my different machines through my dropbox directory (the way I actually use the same wiki on three machines). However, the difficulty are : 1. mediawiki is not documented in that perspective for technically agnostic end-users 2. some of the php tools are not complete for SQLite 3. installation of a new wikilite is still complex and long, I would like to be able to install 30 different ones in one minute for a group of students, with pre-entered pages, forms, docs,mailing lists, etc. 4. a review of extensions into that perspective - introduced as perpetual off-the-shelve part of the experience. 5. farming management and updates (I run around 200 wikilites using symlinks for the current release, each in its own directory) 6. I would like to develop specialized bots for content management and interfacing, etc. that do not necessarily make sense in broad uses. etc. What I would like to get is an end-user oriented (extension and bot included) documentation anyone can read, understand and use. Yes, an installation and maintenance tool, with various types of use configurations, Then a clear documentation of the maintenance and extension tools with quality control and support. To become an end-user textbase++ system, consultants should be available and turn-click deliveries available (home and in the cloud). Thx for suggestions. jefsey -- Brian On Monday, September 26, 2016, Jefsey <jef...@jefsey.com> wrote: > The personal way I am using wikimedia as an SQLite textbase I can easily copy/backup from machine to machine and modifiy through external bundled applications leads me to consider there is a need for a wikimedia user 100% compatible "WIKILite" integrated/maintained solution set. > K has something like that been investigated in the past? 2. I would be interested by comments on the idea? > 3. also about the approach that can best help users and possibly wikimedia dévelopmentHÝH]\ÈH]ÛÜÙ@d individual/professionnal I am interested in multi-agent oriented interwares and would like to investigate "wikilite" networking capabilities (both about what networked architectures could bring, and aboout capacity based content security/protection). > > Thank you for your attention. \Ý£âõõõð___ > Wikitech-l mailing list ÚZÚ]XÚ[\ÝËwikimedia.org ÎËÛ\ÝËÚZÚ[YYXKÜËÛXZ[X[Û\Ý@nfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] SQLite Mediawiki support
The personal way I am using wikimedia as an SQLite textbase I can easily copy/backup from machine to machine and modifiy through external bundled applications leads me to consider there is a need for a wikimedia user 100% compatible "WIKILite" integrated/maintained solution set. 1. has something like that been investigated in the past? 2. I would be interested by comments on the idea? 3. also about the approach that can best help users and possibly wikimedia dévelopment? I note that as a networked individual/professionnal I am interested in multi-agent oriented interwares and would like to investigate "wikilite" networking capabilities (both about what networked architectures could bring, and aboout capacity based content security/protection). Thank you for your attention. Best jfc ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Reload SQLight from MYSQL dump?
At 02:44 02/08/2016, John wrote: For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps>http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. Dear John, Thank you for your response. But I am dump myself and I am still lost. I am not sure I made my need clear enough. I had wikis under MySQL I dumped in XML. So I have n XML files to create n separate SQLite wikis. One file one SQLite wiki (n is around 35). When I try to read with an XML viewer these files, they tell me that some character in line 295 or so is wrong and they cannot read it, so I do not really know how they are structured. Therefore, my question is about how to create the n SQLwikis I need and import in each the pages which are in XML dumped from MySQL. Also, further on, I understand that the manual is reporting about MySQL dumps, not about SQLite dumps? Does that mean that I should consider their backup with SQLite tools rathere than mediwiki tools? Hence my question about a mediawiki SQLite section/mailing list? Sorry I am pretty new to this and need to take care of a lot of small Libre/Citizen/locally oriented wikis, with more to come. So I try to figure out the best way to manage all this Thank you ! jfc On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Jefsey <<mailto:jef...@jefsey.com>jef...@jefsey.com> wrote: I am not familiar with databases. I have old MySQL based wikis sites I cannot access anymore due to a change in PHP and MySQL versions. I have old XML dumps. Is it possible to reload them under SQLight wikis? These were working group wikis: we only are interested in restoring texts. We have the images. We are not interested in the access rights: we will have to rebuild them anyway. Thank you for the help ! jefsey PS. We dedicate to light wikis which are OK under SQLight, would there be a dedicated list to SQLight mangement (and further on development)? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list <mailto:Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Reload SQLight from MYSQL dump?
I am not familiar with databases. I have old MySQL based wikis sites I cannot access anymore due to a change in PHP and MySQL versions. I have old XML dumps. Is it possible to reload them under SQLight wikis? These were working group wikis: we only are interested in restoring texts. We have the images. We are not interested in the access rights: we will have to rebuild them anyway. Thank you for the help ! jefsey PS. We dedicate to light wikis which are OK under SQLight, would there be a dedicated list to SQLight mangement (and further on development)? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] maintenance.php files in symlinks context problem
Hi! I access as a system root. I have loaded 1.23 in /wiki I have symlinked it in my /home/wiki-site/www directories. It works without problem. However, when I try php maintenance/sqlite.php (or other .php files) --conf /home/wiki-site/www/LocalSettings.php (or without this -conf addition) I get the same response: Warning: require_once(__DIR__/Maintenance.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /wiki/maintenance/sqlite.php on line 24 Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '__DIR__/Maintenance.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/php5/lib/php') in /wiki/maintenance/sqlite.php on line 24 - I also installed some wikis without sysmlink. I such a case if I enter php maintenance/dumpBackup.php --full .xml I get: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) The same if I enter php maintenance/dumpBackup.php --dbuser user --dbpass pass --full .xml Thank you for the help. jefsey ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
