[Wikitech-l] Re: [Ops] Mailman2 is now shut down (T52864)

[ZI Jony]

Thanks for all your work on this.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 10:18 PM Daniel Zahn  wrote:

> congrats!
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Allow HTML email

[ZI Jony]

Agreed, good idea.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 10:31 AM Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Yes, that would be helpful.
>
> বুধ, ২৩ সেপ্টেম্বর, ২০২০ ৯:০৫ AM তারিখে MusikAnimal 
> লিখেছেন:
>
>> Agreed! The word wrapping especially drives me nuts. My phone is just
>> small
>> enough that the last word or two of each line gets wrapped natively, on
>> top
>> of Mailman's wrapping, making any sizable email a difficult read.
>>
>> ~ MA
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 11:26 PM Gergő Tisza  wrote:
>>
>> > Yes please. A mere fifty years after the invention of hyperlinks, it
>> would
>> > be great to adopt them here.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Chat

[ZI Jony]

I also have same problem like QEDK, I've also tried it on two different
networks after seen QEDK's email but both time out in the end.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 9:21 PM Strainu  wrote:

> În dum., 30 aug. 2020 la 03:00, Amir Sarabadani  a
> scris:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Due to the current situation, there are more and more collaborations
> > happening online instead. and now you can see Wikimedia-related
> discussion
> > groups in Slack, Discord, Telegram, Facebook, and many more. Besides
> being
> > scattered and inaccessible to people who don't have accounts in those
> > platforms (for privacy reasons for example), these platforms use
> > proprietary and closed-source software, are outside Wikimedia
> > infrastructure and some harvest our personal data for profit.
>
> Hey Amir,
>
> Please take this email as positive feedback, even if it might not
> sound like it :)
>
> As much as I value software freedom and my personal data, I've learned
> during the years that the best conversations happen where people
> converge naturally, not where one wants them to be. What you describe
> below is an awesome list of features ... that already exist elsewhere.
> I could give you an equally long list of things that are missing, but
> individually, none of them matter. What matters is which platform most
> people choose, based on which of the features are important for them.
> And that platform might be different for different projects.
>
> What that means is that Wikimedia Chat will be just another name in
> that long list of apps that people choose to use or not. It's fine if
> you want to maintain it, it's great if it will gain traction, but
> don't be too upset if it will have the same usage as Wikimedia Spaces.
>
> Strainu
> >
> > IRC on freenode is a good alternative but it lacks basic functionalities
> of
> > a modern chat platform. So we created Wikimedia Chat, a mattermost
> instance
> > in Wikimedia Cloud. Compared to IRC, you have:
> > * Ability to scrollback and read messages when you were offline
> > * Push notification and email notification
> > * You don't need to get a cloak to hide your IP from others
> > * Proper support for sharing media
> > * Two factor authentication
> > * A proper mobile app support
> > * Ability to add custom emojis (yes, it's extremely important)
> > * Profile pictures
> > * Ability to ping everyone with @here
> > * much much more.
> >
> > You can use Wikimedia Chat by going to https://chat.wmcloud.org, anyone
> can
> > make an account. This is part of Wikimedia Social suite [1], the oher
> > similar project is "Wikimedia Meet". [2]
> >
> > Some notes:
> > * This is done in my volunteer capacity and has been maintained by a
> group
> > of volunteers. If you're willing to join the team (either technical or
> > enforcing CoC, kicking out spammers, other daily work), drop me a
> message.
> > * Privacy policy of Wikimedia Cloud applies: https://w.wiki/aQW
> > * As a result, all messages older than 90 days get automatically deleted.
> > * As a Wikimedia Cloud project, all of discussions, private and public
> are
> > covered by Code of conduct in technical spaces:  https://w.wiki/AK$
> >
> > Hope that would be useful for you, if you encounter any technical issues,
> > file a bug in the phabricator.
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Social_Suite
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> >
> > Best
> > --
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Heads-up] Creating a Wikimedia Developer Portal

[ZI Jony]

Thanks for the good idea and share with us.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 12:28 AM Andre Klapper  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> do you usually find all the technical documentation you are looking
> for? Yes? Great! For everyone else, this email is an early heads-up
> announcement about the idea to create a Wikimedia Developer Portal. :P
>
> For more info (that's currently only the problem definition, goal,
> scope, and past research, hence "idea" and not yet "plan"):
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy/Developer_Portal
>
> If you have thoughts and opinions, please share them on the wiki
> discussion page! Please focus comments on the current sections on the
> page, as it is not the time yet to discuss content categorization or
> implementation details - that will happen later in the process.
>
> More info to come when things are a bit more worked out.
>
> Thanks & Cheers,
> andre
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Upgrading mailman (the software behind mailing lists)

[ZI Jony]

Great! It's really good and useful.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 7:41 AM Denny Vrandečić 
wrote:

> Thank you so much!
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 13:56 Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > Mailman, the software that powers our mailing lists, is extremely old, by
> > looking at https://lists.wikimedia.org/ you can guess how old it is.
> >
> > I would really like to upgrade it to mailman 3 which has these benefits:
> > * Much better security (including but not limited to
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181803)
> > * Much better UI and UX
> > * Much easier moderation and maintaining mailing lists
> > * Ability to send mail from the web
> > * Ability to search in archives.
> > * Ability to like/dislike an email
> > * List admins will be able to delete emails, merge threads, and much
> more.
> > * Admins won't need to store passwords for each mailing list separately,
> > they just login as their account everywhere.
> > * The current mailman stores everything as files (even mailing list
> > settings), mailman3 actually uses a proper database for everything
> meaning
> > proper backup and recovery, high availability and much more.
> >
> > I have already put up a test setup and humbly ask you (specially list
> > admins) to test it (and its admin interface), if you want to become a
> list
> > admin, drop me a message. Keep in mind that we don't maintain the
> software
> > so the most I can do is to change configuration and can't handle a
> feature
> > request or solve a bug (you are more than welcome to file it against
> > upstream though)
> >
> > Here's the test setup:
> > * https://lists.wmcloud.org
> >
> > Here's a mailing list:
> > * https://lists.wmcloud.org/postorius/lists/test.lists.wmcloud.org/
> >
> > Here's an archive post:
> > *
> >
> >
> https://lists.wmcloud.org/hyperkitty/list/t...@lists.wmcloud.org/thread/RMQPKSS4ID3WALFXAF636J2NGBVCN3UA/
> >
> > Issues that I haven't figured out yet:
> > * This system has profile picture support but it's only gravatar which we
> > can't enable due to our privacy policy but when you disable it, it shows
> > empty squares and looks bad. Reported upstream [1] but also we can have a
> > gravatar proxy in production. And in the worst case scenario we can just
> > inject "$('.gravatar').remove();" and remove them. Feel free to chime in
> in
> > the phabricator ticket in this regard:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256541
> >
> > * Upgrade will break archive links, making it work forever is not trivial
> > (you need write apache rewrite rule) (You can read about it in
> > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#other-considerations)
> >
> > * Mailman allows us to upgrade mailing list by mailing list, that's good
> > but we haven't found a way to keep the old version and the new ones in
> sync
> > (archives, etc.). Maybe we migrate a mailing list and the archives for
> the
> > old version will stop getting updated. Would that work for you? Feel free
> > to chime in: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256539
> >
> > * We don't know what would be the size of the database after upgrade
> > because these two versions are so inherently different, one idea was to
> > check the size of a fully public mailing list, then move the files to the
> > test setup, upgrade it to the new version  and check how it changes, then
> > extrapolate the size of the final database. The discussion around the
> > database is happening in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256538
> >
> > If you want to help in the upgrade (like puppetzining its configuration,
> > etc.) just let me know and I add you to the project! It uses a
> stand-alone
> > puppetmaster so you don't need to get your puppet patches merged to see
> its
> > effects.
> >
> > The main ticket about the upgrade:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864
> >
> > [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/303#note_365162201
> >
> > Hope that'll be useful for you :)
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