Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Like you, I'd argue in favor of scrapping the roadmap as it exists today, but I think we should do a better job making the Deployments page more informative. I assume we're still at the as is stage? with some plan to normalize around: 1) Engineering goals for quarterly and yearly: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals 2) Deployments for weekly and monthly: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments 3) Intra-team documentation For example, now that we're working towards a proper beta mode on mobile _and_ desktop, it would IMO be useful to summarize which features are currently in beta and planned to enter production soon. We still have too many situations where people are caught by surprise by a deployment, both internally and externally. To get there, I assume? * We'd probably actually have to update (1) and commit to keeping up to date (at least every quarter, preferably more often) * We'd need to add some sort of monthly view into (2). It's a pity it's on Wikitech when the actual project pages are mostly on mediawiki, so some sort of template transclusion is out, I assume * a beta mode column? to be in (2) * Some sort of historical record a la Mobile Web https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Deployments as suggested by Arthur sounds like a good idea for (3) * If that is the case, mating that with status updates for the teams is probably work saving for monthly engineering report statuses: e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_engineering_reports * I assume we should link (3) to (1) and (2) somehow. Is that about right? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
quote name=Terry Chay date=2013-09-18 time=10:50:09 -0700 Is that about right? From my perspective, yep. What I was thinking in just different words :) Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Like you, I'd argue in favor of scrapping the roadmap as it exists today, but I think we should do a better job making the Deployments page more informative. For example, now that we're working towards a proper beta mode on mobile _and_ desktop, it would IMO be useful to summarize which features are currently in beta and planned to enter production soon. We still have too many situations where people are caught by surprise by a deployment, both internally and externally. The mobile web team has been trying to summarize what's going out in our weekly deployments: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Deployments We've found this tremendously useful both from a pre- and post- deployment perspective. Michelle Grover has been doing some work around automating the generation of these reports, though I believe it's still a WIP. -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Weekly deployment plans/notes This monthly roadmap spreadsheet/wiki page Quarterly plans, as represented in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals and other places Yearly/annual plans This is too much. Agreed, let's rationalize this a bit. Part of the point of the Roadmap with monthly breakdowns was to create an overview where people can more easily anticipate e.g. architectural conversations and inter-team sync-ups that need to happen. It's not working for that, because it's not part of anyone's workflow. For what it is worth, *reading* it is a part of my workflow. But it does appear to this outsider that (based on the ebb and flow of updates) it doesn't look like *updating* it is part of anyone's workflow. Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Weekly deployment plans/notes This monthly roadmap spreadsheet/wiki page Quarterly plans, as represented in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals and other places Yearly/annual plans This is too much. Agreed, let's rationalize this a bit. Part of the point of the Roadmap with monthly breakdowns was to create an overview where people can more easily anticipate e.g. architectural conversations and inter-team sync-ups that need to happen. It's not working for that, because it's not part of anyone's workflow. Like you, I'd argue in favor of scrapping the roadmap as it exists today, but I think we should do a better job making the Deployments page more informative. For example, now that we're working towards a proper beta mode on mobile _and_ desktop, it would IMO be useful to summarize which features are currently in beta and planned to enter production soon. We still have too many situations where people are caught by surprise by a deployment, both internally and externally. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Roadmap updates - Sept 6th, 2013
Hey, Currently, we have... - Weekly deployment plans/notes - This monthly roadmap spreadsheet/wiki page - Quarterly plans, as represented in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals and other places - Yearly/annual plans This is too much. I say we get everyone to sprint on filling out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals, and then abandon this spreadsheet nonsense. We don't need this much duplication at the week/month/three month/year level. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello all, I have a mea culpa: I haven't been doing the Roadmap update emails lately. The short of it is: it is dang hard and not time-efficient for me to try to parse Google Doc's 'revision history' in a big spreadsheet. That's why we (Robla) created a script to download and convert to wikitext (and upload to mediawiki.org) the Roadmap. Then we get real diffs. My laptop was stolen a while ago and on it was my local modifications to that script to make it work for me (committed to git, but not push anywhere because the project wasn't in gerrit yet..., laziness on my part). With that: Please take a look at he latest version of the Roadmap at: http://ur1.ca/felvl (Google Doc spreadsheet, my apologies) Some things to look at (ie: have been updated recently): * Flow * Language-team related items * TechOps September column * Platform/Site Architecture * Wikidata * QA sept/oct columns * ECT's sept/oct/nov columns Sorry about the lack of specificity. Any questions, please don't hesitate to ask, Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Engineering mailing list engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/engineering -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
