Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-04 Thread Krinkle 
Op 3 feb 2011, om 22:42 heeft Dan Nessett het volgende geschreven:

 On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:19:58 +, Dan Nessett wrote:

 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the  
 individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This  
 means
 a logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not  
 for
 the site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.

 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this  
 problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded  
 edges is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize  
 where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.

 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would  
 imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to
 use a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a
 different font).

 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and  
 there
 is a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.

 Regards,

 I need to correct a mistake I made in this post (sorry for replying  
 to my
 own question). The site-specific skin keeps its skin specific logo  
 in the
 skin directory and the skin code uses ?php $this- 
 text('stylepath') ?/?
 php $this-text('stylename') ? to get to that directory. So, the  
 url is
 not hardwired.

 However, we would like to keep all of the logos in one place, so I  
 think
 the question is still pertinent.

 -- 
 -- Dan Nessett


You could upload a file to your wiki (say, at [[File:Wiki.png]]) and  
then put the
full path to that in LocalSettings.php in $wgLogo.

ie.
$wgLogo = /w/images/b/bc/Wiki.png;

And then use that variable in the skins (The default skins use it  
already)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-04 Thread Dan Nessett 
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:01:20 +0100, Krinkle wrote:

 Op 3 feb 2011, om 22:42 heeft Dan Nessett het volgende geschreven:
 
 On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:19:58 +, Dan Nessett wrote:

 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This
 means
 a logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not
 for
 the site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.

 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges
 is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize
 where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.

 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would
 imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to
 use a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a
 different font).

 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there
 is a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.

 Regards,

 I need to correct a mistake I made in this post (sorry for replying to
 my
 own question). The site-specific skin keeps its skin specific logo in
 the
 skin directory and the skin code uses ?php $this-
 text('stylepath') ?/?
 php $this-text('stylename') ? to get to that directory. So, the url
 is
 not hardwired.

 However, we would like to keep all of the logos in one place, so I
 think
 the question is still pertinent.

 --
 -- Dan Nessett


 You could upload a file to your wiki (say, at [[File:Wiki.png]]) and
 then put the
 full path to that in LocalSettings.php in $wgLogo.
 
 ie.
 $wgLogo = /w/images/b/bc/Wiki.png;
 
 And then use that variable in the skins (The default skins use it
 already)

That's an interesting idea. But, probably the definition should be (e.g.):

$wgLogo = $wgUploadPath/b/bc/Wiki.png;

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[Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-03 Thread Dan Nessett 
Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual 
page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This means a 
logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not for the 
site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite 
characteristic.

The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem 
with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges is 
hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize where 
we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to 
modify the site-specific skin code.

While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would imagine 
there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to use 
a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a different 
font).

My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there is 
a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.

Regards,

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-03 Thread Dan Nessett 
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:19:58 +, Dan Nessett wrote:

 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This means
 a logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not for
 the site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.
 
 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.
 
 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to
 use a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a
 different font).
 
 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there
 is a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.
 
 Regards,

I need to correct a mistake I made in this post (sorry for replying to my 
own question). The site-specific skin keeps its skin specific logo in the 
skin directory and the skin code uses ?php $this-text('stylepath') ?/?
php $this-text('stylename') ? to get to that directory. So, the url is 
not hardwired.

However, we would like to keep all of the logos in one place, so I think 
the question is still pertinent.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-03 Thread Brion Vibber 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This means a
 logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not for the
 site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.

 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.

 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to use
 a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a different
 font).

 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there is
 a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.


A couple ideas off the top of my head:

* You could use CSS to apply rounded corners with border-radius and its
-vendor-* variants. (May not work on all browsers, but requires no upkeep
other than double-checking that the rounded variant still looks good.
Doesn't help with related issues like an alternate color scheme for the logo
in different skins.)
* Your custom skin could use a custom configuration variable, say
$wgAwesomeSkinLogo. Have it use this instead of the default logo, and make
sure both settings get updated together.
* You could use a fixed alternate path which can be determined by modifying
the string in $wgLogo. Be sure to always store and update the second logo
image correctly.
* You could create a script that applies rounded corners or changes colors
in an existing image file and saves a new one, then find some way to help
automate your process of creating alternate logo images in the above.

-- brion
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-03 Thread Dan Nessett 
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:52:30 -0800, Brion Vibber wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This means
 a logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not for
 the site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.

 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.

 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to
 use a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a
 different font).

 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there
 is a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.


 A couple ideas off the top of my head:
 
 * You could use CSS to apply rounded corners with border-radius and its
 -vendor-* variants. (May not work on all browsers, but requires no
 upkeep other than double-checking that the rounded variant still looks
 good. Doesn't help with related issues like an alternate color scheme
 for the logo in different skins.)
 * Your custom skin could use a custom configuration variable, say
 $wgAwesomeSkinLogo. Have it use this instead of the default logo, and
 make sure both settings get updated together. * You could use a fixed
 alternate path which can be determined by modifying the string in
 $wgLogo. Be sure to always store and update the second logo image
 correctly.
 * You could create a script that applies rounded corners or changes
 colors in an existing image file and saves a new one, then find some way
 to help automate your process of creating alternate logo images in the
 above.
 
 -- brion

Thanks. I think the second idea works best for us. It also suggests the 
use of a global $wgSkinLogos that points to a directory where all of the 
skin logos are kept. Any reason why this is a bad idea?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin specific logos

2011-02-03 Thread Daniel Friesen 
On 11-02-03 01:52 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nessettdness...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Our site has 4 skins that display the logo - 3 standard and 1 site-
 specific. The site-specific skin uses rounded edges for the individual
 page area frames, while the standard skins use square edges. This means a
 logo with square edges looks fine for the standard skins, but not for the
 site-specific skin. A logo with rounded edges has the opposite
 characteristic.

 The programmer who designed the site-specific skin solved this problem
 with a hack. The absolute url to a different logo with rounded edges is
 hardwired into the skin code. Therefore, if we want to reorganize where
 we keep the site logos (which we have done once already), we have to
 modify the site-specific skin code.

 While it is possible that no one else has this problem, I would imagine
 there are skins out there that would look better if they were able to use
 a skin specific logo (e.g., using a different color scheme or a different
 font).

 My question is: has this issue been addressed before? If so, and there is
 a good solution, I would appreciate hearing of it.

 A couple ideas off the top of my head:

 * You could use CSS to apply rounded corners with border-radius and its
 -vendor-* variants. (May not work on all browsers, but requires no upkeep
 other than double-checking that the rounded variant still looks good.
 Doesn't help with related issues like an alternate color scheme for the logo
 in different skins.)
 * Your custom skin could use a custom configuration variable, say
 $wgAwesomeSkinLogo. Have it use this instead of the default logo, and make
 sure both settings get updated together.
 * You could use a fixed alternate path which can be determined by modifying
 the string in $wgLogo. Be sure to always store and update the second logo
 image correctly.
 * You could create a script that applies rounded corners or changes colors
 in an existing image file and saves a new one, then find some way to help
 automate your process of creating alternate logo images in the above.

 -- brion
;) not on all browsers is basically old versions of Opera and IE before 9.
Border radius is supported by everything from Firefox, to WebKit based 
browsers, to Konqueror, to Opera, and even IE9 implements it... IF you 
use the vendor prefixes properly.

And for reference:|-moz-border-radius: 10px; -khtml-border-radius: 10px; 
-webkit-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px;
|-moz- works for Gecko. -khtml- works in Konqueror (Linux versions, iirc 
there were some notes that the Windows versions [wait there's a Windows 
version?] doesn't have it), and some early versions of WebKit use it 
too. -webkit- of course works in WebKit (Safari, Chrome, etc...), and 
Opera 10.50 and IE9 implement the standard border-radius. Recent 
versions of Gecko and WebKit are now starting to use the standard 
border-radius too (but that's real recent, ie: Firefox 4 which isn't 
even released yet).
And be sure to keep that order. You can move the -moz- after the 
-webkit- if you want. But -khtml- should always be before -webkit- and 
all vendor prefixes should always be before the standard properties. 
Since with css' cascading rules, if you say boder-radius: 5px; 
-moz-border-radius: 5px; you're essentially saying Hey, give me a 
border radius, but if you still have a buggy non-standard implementation 
lying around, use it instead of the correct standard behavior.

Logos are something that's been on my mind a bit with skin improvements. 
Not really skin-specific tweaks, in fact I don't quite like that idea. 
If every skin defines a different logo, we no longer have a standard 
logo and you can't rely on simply being able to upload a logo and have 
it work everywhere. However what has come to mind is varying sizes of 
logos, in one use-case I suppose you could point out, some of Wikia's 
skins have used a different logo than the standard one, since it has a 
different size. I've been contemplating something like 
`$wgLogo['150x150'] = '...';` and letting skins define what kind of logo 
region they have so that SkinTemplate can make a best-pick out of the 
different sizes that have been configured.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]


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