Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
Asher Feldman wrote: I've temporarily commented out db36 from db.php on the cluster. This is a flaw in the how the client-side use of maxlag interacts with our schema migration process - we run migrations on slaves one by one in an automated fashion, only moving to the next after replication lag catches up. Mediawiki takes care of not sending queries to the lagged slave that is under migration. Meanwhile, maxlag always reports the value of the most lagged slave. Not a new issue, but this particular alter table on enwiki is likely the most time intensive ever run at wmf. It's slightly ridiculous. For this one alter, I can stop the migration script and run each statement by hand, pulling and re-adding db's one by one along the way, but this isn't a sustainable process. Perhaps we can add a migration flag to mediawiki, which if enabled, changes the behavior of maxlag and wfWaitForSlaves() to ignore one highly lagged slave so long as others are available without lag. Thank you! My scripts are running fine again. :-) Some people have suggested that the current API behavior is intentional. That is, that having different servers return the same error code is better than having different servers return an error code or not. I think this is flawed logic due to the problems that it presents (scripts unable to get past the error code), but it's definitely something that needs investigation for the future. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Some people have suggested that the current API behavior is intentional. That is, that having different servers return the same error code is better than having different servers return an error code or not. I think this is flawed logic due to the problems that it presents (scripts unable to get past the error code), but it's definitely something that needs investigation for the future. You're confusing Apache servers and database servers. You're hitting different Apache servers at random, those are the srv numbers. Each Apache requests the current lag from all the DB servers serving that wiki, computes the maximum (in this case db36 wins easily) and checks that against your maxlag parameter. Obviously the highest lag is greater than your maxlag setting, so it throws an error and bails. Had it continued, or had you not set a maxlag parameter, you would have hit a DB server at random (except that it wouldn't have let you hit db36 because it was lagged to hell and back). So yeah /normally/ you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag parameter works. Roan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah /normally/ you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag parameter works. How do you feel about a switch to change that behavior (maxlag - 1)? It would be nice to be continue guiding developers towards throttling API requests around maxlag without complicating schema migrations by requiring config deployments before and after every db for this reason only. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.org wrote: How do you feel about a switch to change that behavior (maxlag - 1)? It would be nice to be continue guiding developers towards throttling API requests around maxlag without complicating schema migrations by requiring config deployments before and after every db for this reason only. That sounds reasonable to me, what alternative behavior do you propose? A flag that, when enabled, causes maxlag to use the 2nd highest lag instead of the highest lag? Roan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:35:02 -0700, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah /normally/ you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag parameter works. How do you feel about a switch to change that behavior (maxlag - 1)? It would be nice to be continue guiding developers towards throttling API requests around maxlag without complicating schema migrations by requiring config deployments before and after every db for this reason only. Why don't we have a system to allow databases to be automatically taken out of the LB temporarily? -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 14:35, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah /normally/ you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag parameter works. How do you feel about a switch to change that behavior (maxlag - 1)? It would be nice to be continue guiding developers towards throttling API requests around maxlag without complicating schema migrations by requiring config deployments before and after every db for this reason only. How about just having a new file in the config that lists the servers currently migrating and the migration script can update and deploy as it goes. Then apaches can check if a high maxlag is on the lag's expected list and ignore if it is. Should be fairly safe as long as it's a file that no human will edit and the deploy only pushes the one file. But, I don't actually know if it's possible (with current scripts) to push just one file for the config. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.org wrote: How do you feel about a switch to change that behavior (maxlag - 1)? It would be nice to be continue guiding developers towards throttling API requests around maxlag without complicating schema migrations by requiring config deployments before and after every db for this reason only. That sounds reasonable to me, what alternative behavior do you propose? A flag that, when enabled, causes maxlag to use the 2nd highest lag instead of the highest lag? That was my original thought. Jeremy's idea is good too, though I wonder if we could do something similar without depending on deployments. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
Roan Kattouw wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Some people have suggested that the current API behavior is intentional. That is, that having different servers return the same error code is better than having different servers return an error code or not. I think this is flawed logic due to the problems that it presents (scripts unable to get past the error code), but it's definitely something that needs investigation for the future. You're confusing Apache servers and database servers. You're hitting different Apache servers at random, those are the srv numbers. Each Apache requests the current lag from all the DB servers serving that wiki, computes the maximum (in this case db36 wins easily) and checks that against your maxlag parameter. Obviously the highest lag is greater than your maxlag setting, so it throws an error and bails. Had it continued, or had you not set a maxlag parameter, you would have hit a DB server at random (except that it wouldn't have let you hit db36 because it was lagged to hell and back). So yeah /normally/ you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag parameter works. Thank you for this explanation. It was very helpful. I had some follow-up questions about what to do to mitigate this issue going forward (particularly server-side), but you and others are already brainstorming in this thread, so I'll slink back to my quiet world of client-side scripting. :-) (And thanks again to Asher for depooling the lagged server, even as a temporary fix. I was able to do about 2500 talk page deliveries this morning without any issue.) MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
Just a heads up that the last of the 1.19 migrations, to add the sha1 column to enwiki.revision is going to be running throughout this week. Don't be alarmed by replication lag messages for s1 dbs in irc. I'm going to juggle which db watchlist queries go to during the migration, so nothing should be noticeable on the site. -Asher ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
Asher Feldman wrote: Just a heads up that the last of the 1.19 migrations, to add the sha1 column to enwiki.revision is going to be running throughout this week. Don't be alarmed by replication lag messages for s1 dbs in irc. I'm going to juggle which db watchlist queries go to during the migration, so nothing should be noticeable on the site. Hi. This is causing significant problems for the scripts that I run that rely on the MediaWiki API. The scripts were designed to be respectful of database lag, but with db36 reporting 20879 seconds of lag (and rising), the scripts are all getting hung as they patiently wait for lag to go back down. I'm not sure of the exact configuration, but it seems like nearly every API request is being handled by the lagged server (db36)? Or perhaps my scripts just have terrible luck. In any case, is it possible to depool the server or do something to mitigate this? I don't think we want to encourage script writers to write scripts that simply ignore the lag, but there aren't many other options when it's outrageously high. Alternately, could the other servers be assigned to API duty? MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
MZMcBride wrote:
I'm not sure of the exact configuration, but it seems like nearly every API
request is being handled by the lagged server (db36)? Or perhaps my scripts
just have terrible luck.
I added some prints to the code. Different servers are responding, but
they're all unable to get past the lag, apparently:
{u'servedby': u'srv234', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21948
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv242', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21982
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw20', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21984
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw45', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21986
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw14', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21988
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw42', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21989
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw3', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21991
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv230', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22005
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv259', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22006
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv274', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22008
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv280', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22009
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv236', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22010
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv230', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 22011
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
And it goes on and on.
The relevant branch of code is:
---
def __parseJSON(self, data):
maxlag = True
while maxlag:
try:
maxlag = False
parsed = json.loads(data.read())
content = None
if isinstance(parsed, dict):
content = APIResult(parsed)
content.response = self.response.items()
elif isinstance(parsed, list):
content = APIListResult(parsed)
content.response = self.response.items()
else:
content = parsed
if 'error' in content:
error = content['error']['code']
if error == maxlag:
lagtime = int(re.search((\d+) seconds,
content['error']['info']).group(1))
if lagtime self.wiki.maxwaittime:
lagtime = self.wiki.maxwaittime
print(Server lag, sleeping for +str(lagtime)+ seconds)
maxlag = True
time.sleep(int(lagtime)+0.5)
return False
---
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Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress
I've temporarily commented out db36 from db.php on the cluster.
This is a flaw in the how the client-side use of maxlag interacts with our
schema migration process - we run migrations on slaves one by one in an
automated fashion, only moving to the next after replication lag catches
up. Mediawiki takes care of not sending queries to the lagged slave that
is under migration. Meanwhile, maxlag always reports the value of the most
lagged slave. Not a new issue, but this particular alter table on enwiki
is likely the most time intensive ever run at wmf. It's slightly
ridiculous.
For this one alter, I can stop the migration script and run each statement
by hand, pulling and re-adding db's one by one along the way, but this
isn't a sustainable process. Perhaps we can add a migration flag to
mediawiki, which if enabled, changes the behavior of maxlag and
wfWaitForSlaves() to ignore one highly lagged slave so long as others are
available without lag.
-A
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:28 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
I'm not sure of the exact configuration, but it seems like nearly every
API
request is being handled by the lagged server (db36)? Or perhaps my
scripts
just have terrible luck.
I added some prints to the code. Different servers are responding, but
they're all unable to get past the lag, apparently:
{u'servedby': u'srv234', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
21948
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv242', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
21982
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw20', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21984
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw45', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21986
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw14', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21988
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw42', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21989
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'mw3', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46: 21991
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv230', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22005
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv259', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22006
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv274', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22008
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv280', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22009
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv236', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22010
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
{u'servedby': u'srv230', u'error': {u'info': u'Waiting for 10.0.6.46:
22011
seconds lagged', u'code': u'maxlag'}}
And it goes on and on.
The relevant branch of code is:
---
def __parseJSON(self, data):
maxlag = True
while maxlag:
try:
maxlag = False
parsed = json.loads(data.read())
content = None
if isinstance(parsed, dict):
content = APIResult(parsed)
content.response = self.response.items()
elif isinstance(parsed, list):
content = APIListResult(parsed)
content.response = self.response.items()
else:
content = parsed
if 'error' in content:
error = content['error']['code']
if error == maxlag:
lagtime = int(re.search((\d+) seconds,
content['error']['info']).group(1))
if lagtime self.wiki.maxwaittime:
lagtime = self.wiki.maxwaittime
print(Server lag, sleeping for +str(lagtime)+ seconds)
maxlag = True
time.sleep(int(lagtime)+0.5)
return False
---
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