Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Special:SiteChanges for automatic deployment info

2012-05-05 Thread Helder Wiki
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 I'd suggest exposing this information to a special page directly in
 the relevant wiki, say Special:SiteChanges.
+1

 In the magical database backed configuration future,
 Special:SiteChanges might also be able to list out config changes, but
 that seems far fetched right now

On Portuguese Wikibooks we kept a history of configuration changes
which affected our project:
https://pt.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikilivros:Histórico_de_configurações?uselang=en
If we could have some consistent way to tag bugzilla tickets which are
related to a given wiki (is it possible to add new fields for
project/lang?), then a table like that could be generated by a script
eliminating the need to do manual updates. Such a script would likely
use bugzilla API as in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-BugStatusUpdate.js
(which works on pages where
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tracked
is used).

Best regards,
Helder

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Special:SiteChanges for automatic deployment info

2012-05-03 Thread Strainu
2012/5/3 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
 So how can we do better? I'd posit that it should be impossible to
 deploy code without leaving an exposed audit trail generated from
 commit messages, which can in turn be expanded by any interested
 volunteer into a human-readable and translated summary.

 I'd suggest exposing this information to a special page directly in
 the relevant wiki, say Special:SiteChanges. This special page would
 show an automatically generated summary like so:

Yes, yes, please. :D This would be a big step forward.

Strainu

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Special:SiteChanges for automatic deployment info

2012-05-03 Thread Alolita Sharma
 This combined with Special:SiteChanges would be great in the glorious
future.

+1. It would indeed be a good step in the right direction.

Alolita


On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/5/3 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
  So how can we do better? I'd posit that it should be impossible to
  deploy code without leaving an exposed audit trail generated from
  commit messages, which can in turn be expanded by any interested
  volunteer into a human-readable and translated summary.
 
  I'd suggest exposing this information to a special page directly in
  the relevant wiki, say Special:SiteChanges. This special page would
  show an automatically generated summary like so:

 Yes, yes, please. :D This would be a big step forward.

 Strainu

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Special:SiteChanges for automatic deployment info

2012-05-02 Thread Tomasz Finc
As part of the pre flight steps the mobile team generates a list of
gerrit changes that have gone into the deployment branch. We then
throw it on a wiki page so that its much easier to trace back what
changed. Our current list is here

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Deployments

Formatting aside its become really useful to know exactly what's going
out without having to hound each developer about their changes.

This combined with Special:SiteChanges would be great in the glorious future.

--tomasz

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 In the Wikimedia wikis, right now, we succeed to a varied degree at
 letting communities know about deployments that affect them. We're
 definitely getting better, and the 1.20wmf1 page is an example of
 release notes done well:

 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/wmf1
 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/wmf1/overview

 A concise summary with translations in multiple languages, followed by
 a detailed list compiled from manually collected and curated commit
 summaries. Nifty. And so much work that it's unlikely to be
 sustainable. Indeed with wmf2 we're already taking shortcuts:

 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/wmf2

 No translations, no overview, less curation. And let's keep in mind
 that this covers only the regular two week cycle deployment -- major
 changes deployed between cycles aren't covered in either of those
 summaries.

 So how can we do better? I'd posit that it should be impossible to
 deploy code without leaving an exposed audit trail generated from
 commit messages, which can in turn be expanded by any interested
 volunteer into a human-readable and translated summary.

 I'd suggest exposing this information to a special page directly in
 the relevant wiki, say Special:SiteChanges. This special page would
 show an automatically generated summary like so:

 example
 == Wednesday May 2, 19:03 ==
 (2 hours ago)

 '''[[mw:WMF deployments/345|Write or translate a deployment summary]]'''

 Deployment 345 completed. The following changes are now running on this wiki.

 === In core ===

 * ca7eb5c - Removed intval for undelete reason in API - ''committed by
 Petr Onderka''
 * 5813680 - Few documentation/type hint updates - ''committed by Reedy''
 * e22a369 - Prevent sidebar links from jumping on page load -
 ''committed by Trevor Parscal'
 ...

 === In extension FlaggedRevs ===

 * ce146dc - Fixing up LSB related stuff.. Some code duplication, but
 meh for the moment (yay for us using static classes for hooks)

 === In extension DynamicPageList ===

 ..

 == Tuesday, May 1, 15:01 ==
 (1 day ago)

 ...
 /example

 I leave it up to your imagination whether the summary would be
 generated from the git repo the wiki resides in (in combination with a
 deployment log), or pulled from MediaWiki.org,  some combination
 thereof, or some other implementation strategy. Suffice it to say that
 we'd ideally want to:

 * Ensure that the process of recording this information is an
 automated part of deploying code updates
 * Filter extensions from the Special:SiteChanges summary that are not
 actually activated
 * Notice when new extensions are activated that were not active in a
 previous state
 * Enable anyone to write deployment summaries on MediaWiki.org
 * Enable anyone to translate those summaries
 * Load an existing summary in the correct language on Special:SiteChanges

 In the magical database backed configuration future,
 Special:SiteChanges might also be able to list out config changes, but
 that seems far fetched right now

 In the equally magical notifications for everything future, users
 would be able to opt into getting notified whenever a deployment
 occurs.

 But keeping it at a base level of functionality, does this seem like a
 feasible and desirable change? Like I said, I worry about our ability
 to keep up without automating this whole process, so IMO it would be
 good to incrementally start building out this functionality. Otherwise
 we're constantly fighting an uphill battle to ensure information gets
 disseminated in a consistent fashion. But it's possible I'm
 overlooking major issues that would make this too difficult to be
 worthwhile.

 All best,
 Erik

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