Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Carlos Lozano wrote: [...] 29. Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys. VERSION 0.52. * Install: No needed install. * Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression) Very strange. PuTTY used to work. Yes I have seen it working around to 15 days ago, it remembers me that 12zip is other application with regression in the last 15 days. That's another aspect where Application Owners would be very useful to the Wine project: by detecting regressions as soon as possible. I'm sure Dimitrie will agree with me if I say that having people test applications on a daily basis made it easier for him to debug the listviews. In the same way it would be very useful to get timely reports when a change in Wine breaks an application. The sooner bugs are discovered, the more likely it is that the developper will fix the bug, or even still be around. This means having people, 'Application Owners', use an application (and it's ok if it's just one) _regularly_, and immediately report any regression with details of when it last worked and when it stopped working. It probably won't be daily but it would be great if it was weekly, or at least after each Wine release. -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://fgouget.free.fr/ RFC 2549: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2549.txt IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
Applications: 3. Internet Explorer - This listing includes 5.01, 5.01 High Encryption Pack, 5.5, 6.0 Beta and the long awaited, official release of 6.0. VERSION 5.5. (from cdrom) * Install: No, with native urlmon stops a bit later. * Run: Unknown. It is possible install Internet Explorer 5.5, if you have installed first DCOM95 or DCOM98 (it depends of the Windows = winXX), and using urlmon native. After of install, it looks like that you have to remove the file wininit.ini (reboot issues), and renaming some files, but after even using the native dlls from the config file entry iexplore.exe, it will not work. Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com
Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
Hello :) I have taken the 20 first entries of the top 100 tucows list, except that some entries has been removed, mainly antivirus and programs what need other different program to work. (URL: http://tucows.uam.es/toppicks.html) Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :)) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com Every application was tested with: = o A clean fake_windows. (only windows/system and windows/system32) o Winedefault.reg registry. o Managed = yes o Desktop = no o Extra hacks, native dlls (except the installed by the own program) = none Results: === Total apps tested: 21 (*) Apps install:15/21 Apps run: 4/21 (*) Really 20, but two different Internet Explorer versions was tested. Applications: 1. Irfan View - This feature-rich image viewer and converter supports many formats. VERSION 3.75. * Install: No, Required mfc42.dll. (with mfc42.dll native works) * Run: No (with mfc42.dll native works, but some options likeA thumbnails crashes) 2. Winace - If you need to compress and archive, try out this tool. VERSION 2.20. * Install: No, crashes. * Run: Unknown 3. Internet Explorer - This listing includes 5.01, 5.01 High Encryption Pack, 5.5, 6.0 Beta and the long awaited, official release of 6.0. VERSION 5.5. (from cdrom) * Install: No, with native urlmon stops a bit later. * Run: Unknown. VERSION 6.0. (from cdrom) * Install: No, with urlmon native stops in crypt. With crypt32+msoss native stops with a CRC error. * Run: Unknown. 4. WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better. VERSION 8.1. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. 5. ICQ for Windows - The new and improved ICQ is here with all the great features you've come to expect -- plus a whole new set! VERSION 2002a. * Install: Yes, but it need touch /c/windows/system/setupapi.dll (Dlls installed atl.dll,msvcrt.dll) * Run: No, required comctl32 and riched32 native. (it wasn't able to add users to contact list even with this native dlls, i don't know if it was a different problem, or wine related) 6. Acrobat Reader - This is the solution to your PDF troubles. VERSION 5.0.5. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed by the program: advpack.dll, msvcrt.dll, shfolder.dll, w95inf32.dll, msvcp60.dll, oleaut32.dll, w95inf16.dll). * Run: Yes. 7. VCDEasy - This is a VCD authoring freeware. VERSION 1.1.1. * Install: Yes. (License and more info is not visible - riched32) (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, crashes. 8. Go!Zilla - Let this program do all the work of downloading and disconnecting. VERSION 4.11.39. * Install: Yes. (License is not visible - riched32) (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, crashes. 9. WS-FTP LE - WS-FTP LE is a great application that allows remote file edits, chmods on UNIX boxes and file moves. VERSION 5.08. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: Yes. 10. Winamp - This program has so many possibilities and offers such a wide range of interfaces, you'll need no other player. VERSION 3.0: * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No. (Need native msvcrt.dll then works) 11. WinRAR - This is a version of the popular RAR compression format, offering significantly improved compression ratios. VERSION 3.00: * Install: Yes. (It will install winrar in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by overwrite files, but it works). * Run: Yes. (minnor glitches in bugzilla) 13. Fruityloops - Make your own MIDIs, WAVs and MP3s in minutes. VERSION 3.56: * Install: Yes. (It will install fruitloops in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by overwrite files, but it works). * Run: No. (Need hhctrl.ocx native, with it the program runs, but i haven't used it before :/) 14. Download Accelerator Plus - Automatically manage your downloads while accelerating them with multiple server connections. VERSION 5.3: * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed AniGIF.ocx,atl.dll) * Run: No. (the program starts, but when you press in some option it will stops) 15. QuickTime Player - View almost any movie out there with the added benefits
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On November 2, 2002 10:53 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :)) This is very, very cool! I would suggest we keep track of the tucows's Top number, so we can say: We run #1, 5, 10, 11, 12 from Tucows Top Picks, as of Nov 1, 2002. or whatever date you took the snapshot on. From this list, we'll need to create a short list of apps on which we concentrate on working out the bugs. A big problem is the riched20.dll. We're not gonna have a replacement for it soon, so I think we need to acknowledge that, and accept apps that are not perfect because of it, but are still usable. -- Dimi.
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
Hello, A big problem is the riched20.dll. We're not gonna have a replacement for it soon, so I think we need to acknowledge that, and accept apps that are not perfect because of it, but are still usable. It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Carlos Lozano wrote: Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :)) Great idea! I think you should differentiate the Run: line though into builtin/pure and natvie/tainted: 4. WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better. VERSION 8.1. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. * Run builtin: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. * Run native: [riched20.dll] Yes (just guessing) Ciao Jörg -- Joerg Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found out that pro means instead of (as in proconsul). Now I know what proactive means.
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Carlos Lozano wrote: Hello :) I have taken the 20 first entries of the top 100 tucows list, except that some entries has been removed, mainly antivirus and programs what need other different program to work. (URL: http://tucows.uam.es/toppicks.html) Comments, improves, ... are welcomed :)) Cool stuff ! 4. WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better. VERSION 8.1. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. Hmm, why No here ? AFAIR WinZip works pretty well. 10. Winamp - This program has so many possibilities and offers such a wide range of interfaces, you'll need no other player. VERSION 3.0: * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No. (Need native msvcrt.dll then works) This should definitely be looked into (might be easy, too). We really should be able to run Winamp out of the box. 13. Fruityloops - Make your own MIDIs, WAVs and MP3s in minutes. VERSION 3.56: * Install: Yes. (It will install fruitloops in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by overwrite files, but it works). * Run: No. (Need hhctrl.ocx native, with it the program runs, but i haven't used it before :/) Windows syndrome - you'd have needed hhctrl.ocx on Windows, too, no !?!? Hmm, or is hhctrl.ocx a standard Windows component ? 18. Easy CD-DA Extractor - This program rips CDs, converts audio files between different formats, and creates audio CDs from WAV and MP3 files. VERSION 5.0. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed advpack.dll, drmv2clt.dll,msdmo.dll, w95inf16.dll,wmnetmgr.dll,asfsipc.dll,l3codeca.acm,msnetobj.dll, w95inf32.dll,wmstream.dll,blackbox.dll,laprxy.dll,msvcrt.dll,wmadmoe.dll, wmvcore.dll,drmclien.dll,npwmsdrm.dll,WMASF.dll, drmstor.dll,msaud32.acm, sl_anet.acm,wmidx.ocx) * Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so) Err... this is the same crash as with... 26. CD Mate - This is a powerful CD backup utility. VERSION 2.2.8.1. * Install: Yes. (License and more info is not visible - riched32) (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so) (the audioplayer included with the program works) ...this one ? 29. Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys. VERSION 0.52. * Install: No needed install. * Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression) Very strange. PuTTY used to work. And please don't name it Telnet application. Telnet is a small part of it that should be neglected as much as possible. But AFAIR I recently had problems getting it to run, too. Andreas Mohr
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On November 2, 2002 11:29 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;) That's true. However, I was referring to programs that use the rich edit in non-essential places (like the ControlSpy). I don't know what we currently do for rich edit, but what about just dropping all formatting information, and so we display just plain text? This would at least get us to a pseudo-usable state with apps like XNews, and what have you. -- Dimi.
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:54:47PM +, Keith Matthews wrote: Do we really want things which have serious native alternatives. The make good test cases and are good as demo applications too, because people who use Windows may know theses already and the list is obviously not a list put together for that purpose because the apps have been selected by Downloaders at tocows. Ciao Jörg -- Joerg Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found out that pro means instead of (as in proconsul). Now I know what proactive means.
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
El sáb, 02 de nov de 2002, a las 17:33, Andreas Mohr escribio: 4. WinZip - The most popular compression utility for Windows just got better. VERSION 8.1. * Install: Yes. (Dlls installed none) * Run: No, it needs riched20.dll to shown the text in zipped files what includes a message, zipped files without messages works fine. Hmm, why No here ? AFAIR WinZip works pretty well. WinZip includes its own zipped example (test case? hehe :), and without riched20 it will not work :(. 13. Fruityloops - Make your own MIDIs, WAVs and MP3s in minutes. VERSION 3.56: * Install: Yes. (It will install fruitloops in the directory what you are when run the installer, it is a buggy because you must stop the instalation with ctrl+c when it will ask by overwrite files, but it works). * Run: No. (Need hhctrl.ocx native, with it the program runs, but i haven't used it before :/) Windows syndrome - you'd have needed hhctrl.ocx on Windows, too, no !?!? Hmm, or is hhctrl.ocx a standard Windows component ? Hmm, i don't know if it is a standard from windows, but it wasn't installed by the program. Anyway it is a very complex application and i don't know anything about music, i am a bad tester for it ;) [..] Err... this is the same crash as with... [..] * Run: No, crashes. (sysparams.c:1646 - user.dll.so) (the audioplayer included with the program works) ...this one ? Yes, does anyone want kill two birds with only one fight? hehe ;) 29. Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys. VERSION 0.52. * Install: No needed install. * Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression) Very strange. PuTTY used to work. Yes I have seen it working around to 15 days ago, it remembers me that 12zip is other application with regression in the last 15 days. And please don't name it Telnet application. Telnet is a small part of it that should be neglected as much as possible. Good, i haven't done the descriptions ;), it is copied from tucows :) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
El sáb, 02 de nov de 2002, a las 11:41, Dimitrie O. Paun escribio: On November 2, 2002 11:29 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: It is a serious problem, because without riched20 winzip simply doesn't work, it stops when you doubleclick about a zipped file. Other applicaciones like xnews/icq has the same problem with riched32, without it, the problem is no usable, because, who wants a news/chat program what you can't read the text? ;) That's true. However, I was referring to programs that use the rich edit in non-essential places (like the ControlSpy). I don't know what we currently do for rich edit, but what about just dropping all formatting information, and so we display just plain text? This would at least get us to a pseudo-usable state with apps like XNews, and what have you. Yes, it should be enuff to change the compatibility status of this applications :) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com
Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows
El sáb, 02 de nov de 2002, a las 16:54, Keith Matthews escribio: I have taken the 20 first entries of the top 100 tucows list, except that some entries has been removed, mainly antivirus and programs what need other different program to work. (URL: http://tucows.uam.es/toppicks.html) Do we really want things which have serious native alternatives. The ones I am especially looking at are Ws-FTP and putty. Most distros have a FTP server, even if it's the grotty WU-ftp with it's bad security record, and all the sensible distros are shipping OpenSSH. It is the same that when you are doing a videogame console emulator. You don't start testing the comercial games first, you start with simple demos, when you will get the basic working, then start with more complex one, and so. The important is not run this applications, the important is that sure that the authors of this applications have used features what are the base of other more complex. So if this features are working correctly, it will be easier run more complex software in the future :) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |_ |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano ___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ -_) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]\___|_| / _/\_\___| [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] http://www.epsxe.com
