wine button click through page
Here's a prototype of the page that people would see when clicking on the wine button, I think this is more friendly than simply linking directly to the apps db. It has a rather linux centric point of view, I hope this doesn't get anybodys back up. I could add mention of the other platforms Wine works on (freebsd??) if wanted. Anyway, if this is alright would Jeremy Newman mind adding it to the new WineHQ site? Then I can start trying to get buttons/links up on the windows side of the web. ta -mike -- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] QinetiQ Title: Works With Wine [dynamic link to app db here: Continue to the application database] to learn more about how well your application works with Wine. What is Wine? Wine is software that allows you to run Windows programs on non-Microsoft operating systems such as Linux. By using Wine, you are not required to pay for a copy of Windows although if you do have a copy installed Wine can use it to improve reliability. What is Linux? Linux is an operating system available for free: anybody can use it, anybody can improve it, and nobody owns it. Wine is licensed in a similar way, and both projects have a large community of developers working on them. Find out more about Linux. What can Wine do? Wine can run Windows programs as if they were applications written specifically for Linux, as seen here [insert link to screenshots]. They can be added to the menus, open files on your Linux system, they integrate with the clipboard and taskbar. By using Wine, when you find an application, you can use it in Linux just as you would in Windows. How much does Wine cost, and where can I get it? The open source builds and source code are available from WineHQ, however at present these versions are more suitable for developers. For home and business usage of standard Windows applications, CodeWeavers CrossOver distributes an easy to use and commercially supported version of Wine, as well as CrossOver Plugin which allows you to use Windows web browser plugins from Linux. This version of Wine does not support games particularly well. Although it can run many Windows programs, CodeWeavers only support a subset of applications (at this time notable office applications such as Microsoft Office, Quicken and Lotus Notes). For gamers, TransGamings WineX specializes in running the latest entertainment titles, and TransGaming also provide support for a growing range of titles. Is Wine perfect? No. Unlike other emulators such as VMware, Wine does not actually run Windows itself - it is effectively an open source implementation of the parts of Windows that are required to run applications (called the APIs). Unfortunately the Windows APIs are huge, and although Wine has implementations for most of them, sometimes an application may not work as expected, or at all. Wine is an ongoing effort, involving hundreds of programmers. You will find that the products supported by commercial Wine companies such as CodeWeavers and TransGaming normally work extremely well or perfectly. Other applications may or may not work, so we maintain an applications database to keep track of how well particular versions of programs work. The link at the top of this page will tell you how well the application you just came from works in Wine. How can I learn more about Wine? Read the pages on the WineHQ site.
Wine button take 2
Here's my next attempt. It's smaller, thinner, anything I missed? A few things to consider - Biggest issue, what happens if we ask somebody to put up a Works With Wine button, and then they release a new version that doesn't? Do they take the button down? See below for a possible resolution to that problem. - Where does the button link to? I vote for a page that introduces Wine and perhaps also Linux, how they relate etc - ie assume zero knowledge about free software. The page then has a link to the appdb entry for the program. The intro page would simply be have a dynamically generated link to the appdb, so it acts as a kind of forwarding page. If a new version is released and it no longer works in Wine, this can be noted in the appdb. - Could it be used as the start of trying to get Wine accepted as just another version of Windows? Once the button is up on the site, I should think the app maintainers would want to keep it there, after all if it works in Wine then their app has a bigger market right? I started thinking about how to get more people helping out on Wine, and remembered that in the early days of X some of the developers signed NDAs with hardware makers to get the driver specs. Perhaps if there is an app that for whatever reason doesn't work with Wine, a developer could sign an NDA, get access to the source, and either improve Wine so it works, or alter the program (possibly both). We win, as Wine improves. They win, as their app now works on Linux too. Of course, it'd be nicer to have native apps, but hey. - The button is just there if site owners would like it, I'd be happy to settle for a textual link as well. - Should the intro page explain about the 3 streams of Wine? IE if the app that linked to this page is a business app, you may have success with CodeWeavers Crossover. If it was a game, then you might want to investigate WineX, or you can get the latest sources direct from WineHQ etc I'm happy to knock up an intro page that can be integrated into the wine site if that's what people would like. thanks -mike attachment: three.png
Re: Wine button take 2
The two first questions find an answer if you link it to Wine's compatibility lists. - Biggest issue, what happens if we ask somebody to put up a Works With Wine button, and then they release a new version that doesn't? Do they take the button down? See below for a possible resolution to that problem. - Where does the button link to? I vote for a page that introduces Wine and perhaps also Linux, how they relate etc - ie assume zero knowledge about free software. The page then has a link to the appdb entry for the program. The intro page would simply be have a dynamically generated link to the appdb, so it acts as a kind of forwarding page. If a new version is released and it no longer works in Wine, this can be noted in the appdb. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Wine button take 2
On 11 Nov 2002, Mike Hearn wrote: Here's my next attempt. It's smaller, thinner, anything I missed? A few things to consider - Biggest issue, what happens if we ask somebody to put up a Works With Wine button, and then they release a new version that doesn't? Do they take the button down? The application database distinguishes between different versions of an application, i.e. it has separate pages for WinZip 8.1 and WinZip 2002. So the button could point to the page of the latest version known to work in Wine. -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://fgouget.free.fr/ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they're different.
Re: Wine button take 2
Francois Gouget a écrit: On 11 Nov 2002, Mike Hearn wrote: Here's my next attempt. It's smaller, thinner, anything I missed? A few things to consider - Biggest issue, what happens if we ask somebody to put up a Works With Wine button, and then they release a new version that doesn't? Do they take the button down? The application database distinguishes between different versions of an application, i.e. it has separate pages for WinZip 8.1 and WinZip 2002. So the button could point to the page of the latest version known to work in Wine. Remember that the button is on a site we do not control, so it might be a good idea to have it point to a static URL (not static page) redirecting to the last known good in AppDB. Else, new versions of either the application or Wine can change the status, and it would be too much to ask the maintainers of the application website to change their link every now and then, when a new version of either comes out. Vincent
Re: wine button
On 8 Nov 2002, Mike Hearn wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. The works with wine alliteration is good, although I think wine should be in small-caps/capitals, similar to the logo on the WineHQ page. Basic composition looks about right. Although its probably a bit big (perhaps nearer 60x60). Either way, it definitely needs a border of some kind. As you said, perhaps making it a button. If it were me, I might try making the wine glass more ghosted and put it underneath both the works with and wine. That should help save some space too and make it look less tall, hopefully without looking too cramped. HTH Paul Millar
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On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Fabian Cenedese wrote: Maybe you could also mention Linux or use the penguin or whatever. Hmmm bit of a two-edge sword that one. One the one hand it does say explicitly what works with wine actually means, on the other hand it would make the image more cluttered ( what about freebsd, ...?) On the whole, I'd say we'd be better without the penguin. Paul Millar
wine button
Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. I did try at first to make a browser style button, but it was very hard to make the wine logo fit in a way that didn't look odd, as it's largely a vertical type of logo. Also, is the Windows logo usable? I'd assume it's trademarked or something, but i've seen the 4 colour blocks used in for instance icon overlays in KDE. If it's thought that this is too large, I can either scale it, or try and make another from scratch that is more button sized. thanks -mike attachment: one.png
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[ps i assumed by what was written you meant for this to go to wine-devel but didn't hit reply-to-all, sorry if it was meant for me only] There's the application, and button with a wine bottle, that says 'works with wine'. You could come up with quite a few jokes with that. heh, true. It doesn't look good with the first letter capitalized, at least imho, and probably wouldn't alter the impression non-initiates would get. I tried putting windows emulator underneath, but it looks a bit out of place and kind of reduces the impact. It also makes it harder to scale down, at 50% of the size you can still read the works with wine text, but not the windows emulator underneath. It might also piss off people who say Wine is not an emulator :) Actually, letting people make jokes about it might be a good thing - I doubt many people would actually take it literally and assuming they do find out, if they're talking and joking about it, they're more likely to remember it too. On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 15:35, Rick Romero wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 08:53, Mike Hearn wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. I think it looks great, but if I were a Windows app owner, how would my potential users see it? There's the application, and button with a wine bottle, that says 'works with wine'. You could come up with quite a few jokes with that. Of course we all know what it means, should the 'W' be capitalized to differentiate it from alcohol? I don't intend to start a logo flame war, but I think perceptions are everything. Good thing I'm only around for another 90 minutes today :P Rick -- -- Rick Romero IT Manager Valeo, Inc. ph: 262.695.4841 Sussex, WI. fax: 262.695.4850 [EMAIL PROTECTED] attachment: two.png
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heh, true. It doesn't look good with the first letter capitalized, at least imho, and probably wouldn't alter the impression non-initiates would get. I tried putting windows emulator underneath, but it looks a bit out of place and kind of reduces the impact. It also makes it harder to scale down, at 50% of the size you can still read the works with wine text, but not the windows emulator underneath. Maybe you could also mention Linux or use the penguin or whatever. So people that don't know wine at all maybe have a hint or at least get curious if someone states that his Windows App also runs on Linux. bye Fabi
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Damn IE and it's broken png support. I wont be able to view it until tonight when i get home.. -Dustin --- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. I did try at first to make a browser style button, but it was very hard to make the wine logo fit in a way that didn't look odd, as it's largely a vertical type of logo. Also, is the Windows logo usable? I'd assume it's trademarked or something, but i've seen the 4 colour blocks used in for instance icon overlays in KDE. If it's thought that this is too large, I can either scale it, or try and make another from scratch that is more button sized. thanks -mike ATTACHMENT part 2 image/png name=one.png __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: wine button
--- Andreas Mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 02:53:38PM +, Mike Hearn wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. I did try at first to make a browser style button, but it was very hard to make the wine logo fit in a way that didn't look odd, as it's largely a vertical type of logo. Also, is the Windows logo usable? I'd assume it's trademarked or something, but i've seen the 4 colour blocks used in for instance icon overlays in KDE. Hmm, we could try to make a parody of the Windows logo maybe ;-) Any nice ideas ? If it's thought that this is too large, I can either scale it, or try and make another from scratch that is more button sized. MHO the grey area should be *behind* the Wine glass, not in front of the glass. Good design so far, but can someone think of some chuckle effect ? Have the glass tipped on top of the windows logo, spilling wine on it, and maybe a caption saying Microsoft has been purified! Just my 2cents -Dustin __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: wine button
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 02:53:38PM +, Mike Hearn wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. I did try at first to make a browser style button, but it was very hard to make the wine logo fit in a way that didn't look odd, as it's largely a vertical type of logo. Also, is the Windows logo usable? I'd assume it's trademarked or something, but i've seen the 4 colour blocks used in for instance icon overlays in KDE. Hmm, we could try to make a parody of the Windows logo maybe ;-) Any nice ideas ? If it's thought that this is too large, I can either scale it, or try and make another from scratch that is more button sized. MHO the grey area should be *behind* the Wine glass, not in front of the glass. Good design so far, but can someone think of some chuckle effect ? Andreas Mohr
Re: wine button
On 8 Nov 2002, Mike Hearn wrote: Here is my first attempt. I'm hardly an ace designer, so feel free to criticize, tell me to junk it etc. Hmmm, probably to vertical. Here's a rough draft of an idea I had. Not much better but it's just to spark discussion, give ideas, etc. Features: * it's more horizontal * It just says 'Wine compatible' * I used the Wine glass as the 'i' in Wine * two colors kind of like the WineHQ logo If someone wants to take this further (I won't not good enough with graphics), then here's a todo list: * reduce the size. Should be the same size as the browser buttons * match the size of 'Wine' with that of the glass * needs a border all around, maybe some sort of bevel * maybe add a shadow to 'Wine', again, ala WineHQ Logo -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://fgouget.free.fr/ Utilisateur (nom commun) : Mot utilisé par les informaticiens en lieu et place d'idiot. ATTACHMENT: wine_compatible.png
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nonono, I am at work, where I dont have access to a linux box with X11... I HAVE to use IE because I am in windows... -Dustin --- Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dustin Navea [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : better use mozilla and don't cheat using IE under wine ;) Damn IE and it's broken png support. I wont be able to view it until tonight when i get home.. -Dustin ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
Re: wine button
Le ven 08/11/2002 à 18:42, Dustin Navea a écrit : nonono, I am at work, where I dont have access to a linux box with X11... I HAVE to use IE because I am in windows... Mozilla works well in Windows. And if your boss doesn't want you to use it, there's always ghostzilla (www.ghostzilla.com), or the IE Mozilla skin... So you have no excuse :) Vincent
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--- Vincent Béron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le ven 08/11/2002 à 18:42, Dustin Navea a écrit : nonono, I am at work, where I dont have access to a linux box with X11... I HAVE to use IE because I am in windows... Mozilla works well in Windows. And if your boss doesn't want you to use it, there's always ghostzilla (www.ghostzilla.com), or the IE Mozilla skin... So you have no excuse :) except that the NOC will come after me for downloading anything... lol nah i got approval from my boss -Dustin __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
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I knew it, but you didn't notice at ;) :) --- Dustin Navea [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : nonono, I am at work, where I dont have access to a linux box with X11... I HAVE to use IE because I am in windows... -Dustin --- Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dustin Navea [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : better use mozilla and don't cheat using IE under wine ;) Damn IE and it's broken png support. I wont be able to view it until tonight when i get home.. -Dustin ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: wine button
I think the idea of the button is great! I think you need to rework the graphic. (1) It's too big. Software publishers would view it as a small additional message about their product. As such, it should be less than half that size. (2) Put Linux in the message. It will make it clearer to the windows-user audience and be considered more valuable to the software publisher. Linux/Wine Certified or Runs on Linux+Wine or some such thing. (3) I'm not knocked out about the graphic, but I'm not artistic, so I don't know why. 3-D shadows, rounded corners, non-white background??? It just doesn't grab me, as is. I think the basic idea is great, however. Scott Pickett Street Wizard Mapping Software __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
