[WISPA] New List Rules
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[WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Ron, you've lost me. What has Saudi got to do with anything here? Also, there's nothing at all wrong with CALEA. Did you read the FAQ or anything else about it? They have to come to US for the data. They won't be putting anything on our networks etc. They want us to be the ones to pull the specific customer data that they are looking for. Lastly, if you think the laws/rules we play under are wrong. Then work to get them changed. There are a few I'm working against myself. In the mean time, one had best obey the rules or risk loosing one's business/customers etc. WISPA isn't saying that the law is good or bad at this point. We're doing what we can to help you to not break it! marlon - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
That's a big question Jim. The first one is, that depends. You'll know what works and what won't when you fire them up and do your speed tests etc. Hopefully you'll be using a radio that has a spectrum checker in it too. On the channel width setting. As a rule, I suggest people use that minimum that they can. You'll need the room to put in more radios at some point down the road. Leaving as much spectrum open as you can is generally a good thing. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Don't know what equipment you are using but rule of thumb is horizontal pol unless you in the middle of no where or you have scanned the spectrum. Small channel size (5mhz) 10 or 20)only if you are if you have done a spectrum scan to make sure things are clear. You will find a lot more interference on V pol but you have a better selection of antennas to choose from. Sectorize if possible and stay away from omni's if possible again to avoid interference, this will of course depend on you local environment. If your equipment allows, and your in a high interference area. consider decreasing your MTU size from 1500 to something small like 32 ... this will decrease your through put but more packets will get through in the presence of interference. Erik Jim Stout wrote: Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Jim, It may be totally different here than it is where you are, but the vertically polarized 900MHz spectrum in saturated down here. In the deepest, darkest woods down in the most remote parts of our area there are water towers, cell phone towers...etc that seem to trash the spectrum. We do have a lot of 900MHz stuff out there - - its just all has to be H polarized. I certainly agree with Marlon - - be sure you buy something that can sniff the spectrum (in both polarities) and do your testing before you count on it to be a reliable service. One more thought - my experience with 900MHz is that it is not a silver bullet and it never does what I think it ought to. It has been a real bummer fooling with it, but it does give me a piece of mind when I hang a client on a 900SU as the gear we use is just as reliable as the Sun. Hang it and forget it! GL, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stout Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Ron, I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have follow the same laws as everyone else. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Jim, A lot of channel selection is determined by case-specific considerations, but here are a few observations: The bottom end of the 902-928 spectrum is sometimes useless due to cell phone interference The top end of the 902-928 spectrum is sometimes useless due to pager system interference Any part and sometimes all of the 902-928 spectrum is eaten away by frequency hopping systems such as SCADA, Water Meter Readers, Alvarion Radios, etc. Certain home cordless phones that operate in the 902-928 spectrum will interrupt the entire spectrum while ringing. Some cordless phones will only interrupt the upper end of 902-928 while ringing (they seem to ring on 925-928 or thereabouts). Any part of the 902-928 spectrum may be disrupted by an old cordless phone because many of the older phones were fixed to a specific frequency or subset of frequencies. Bottom line... no one solution will fit all cases. You should get a spectrum analyzer out and survey your area before deploying. You should order and install cavity filters for your AP's to limit the amount of noise that your AP's pick-up but realize that your client radios will still pick up the noise because you aren't going to be install $300 cavity filters at each client location. Unless you are using equipment which rejects TONS of noise, you should avoid making your business plan rely upon servicing individuals in an urban environment where houses are closely spaced. In my experience, Waverider and Trango are not suitable for use in areas with a great deal of interference unless you are willing to face a certain number of failed installations due to unavoidable interference (when one of the neighbors has a 900mhz device in their home and causes your customer to intermittantly lose service). I can't speak to whether Canopy or Alvarion experience these same issues in 900... perhaps some others from the list can share their experiences on these or other 900 products. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wispadvantage.com - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Yes,Marlon, I read the FAQ. I stand by my Evalution of the information that the Gov wants. Its over the top, none of their business, and I am working to change some of the laws like the ignorance of the Patriot Act. Saudi Arabia, collects the same type of info, we are becoming more like them, thats what they have to do with anything here, Marlon. It is a comparision. You might think about that. Then again you might choose not to. You may disagree with all I have said here. I think Iwill take this off list, from here on. Thank you for your response, You are a good man. Ron -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant Ron, you've lost me. What has Saudi got to do with anything here? Also, there's nothing at all wrong with CALEA. Did you read the FAQ or anything else about it? They have to come to US for the data. They won't be putting anything on our networks etc. They want us to be the ones to pull the specific customer data that they are looking for. Lastly, if you think the laws/rules we play under are wrong. Then work to get them changed. There are a few I'm working against myself. In the mean time, one had best obey the rules or risk loosing one's business/customers etc. WISPA isn't saying that the law is good or bad at this point. We're doing what we can to help you to not break it! marlon - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Thanks Dawn, I don't have to like the infringement on our freedom of speech expression or my interpretation of it. -Original Message- From: Dawn DiPietro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant Ron, I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have follow the same laws as everyone else. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? On 4/8/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more thought - my experience with 900MHz is that it is not a silver bullet and it never does what I think it ought to. It has been a real bummer fooling with it, but it does give me a piece of mind when I hang a client on a 900SU as the gear we use is just as reliable as the Sun. Hang it and forget it! Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
My advise is to stay away from it if you can. The noise in most areas is horrible, and I have not seen any gear yet that can deal with it. I have some customers running on it still but any chance I get I take users off 900 and put them on 2.4 or 5.8. The equipment is expensive the antennas are huge. etc etc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Stout Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
CALEA is actually a MAJOR improvement over Carnivore. With Carnivore, they took the whole stream of traffic from everyone, with CALEA, they only get the info that the judge approved. Do you have an issue with all wiretaps (judge approved), or just this sort? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace In WISPA's efforts to find a way to help wisps become CALEA compliant with the least pain. It may sound like WISPA has endorsed the idea of spying, wiretaps, and or government intrusion into our networks. But thats not the situation. Actually, the WISPA board has NOT discussed this aspect of CALEA, only what are we going to do to get it so that wisps can afford to do this without having to spend $150,000.00 upfront plus, as we've all read in the CALEA documents. Our only goal is to ease the cost of the pain. I won't get into the political aspects of this stuff, but your not alone Ron. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11
Jim, I echo feelings that sectors and an in depth look at the spectrum already in use in the areas you wish to serve. You must become familiar with your landscape. Sometimes hills that block signals can be a good thing because they also block a lot of interferences. 900MHz tends to travel 50 or more miles unobstructed. I use those hills to cover small 60-90 degree wedges that would have otherwise been reachable because of the same hills Water tanks have been helpful to fill in areas but my greatest success has come from towers twice the distance or more above treetops. My coverage area is very hilly with a lot of trees. I have been happy using WaveRider gear and the filters designed for their systems. It's more expensive using towers because of coaxial cable costs, but I also don't have to climb a tower to fix a radio problem. As I've deployed on water tanks in the area our costs are less than Motorola Canopy systems and we have more channel choices - 7 verses 3 or 4 for Canopy I think. Canopy systems use an 8MHz wide channel, whereas WaveRider uses a 5.5 MHz channel and others as low as 5MHz. Of course the top and bottom channels 905 and 925 can become unusable in many environments because of paging and cell systems. I've been able to structure my sectors that we can use them anyway. We use a mix of horizontal and vertical polarization base station antennas. We use Antel antennas - watch the numbers they measure power in dbd verses dbi. As a rule of thumb you add 2.1 to dbd to estimate dbi. I have recently tried Tiltek and PacWireless antennas but will go back to Antel for our future deployments. Again more expensive than others but my experience says they are worth it. Adjacent transmission sites get opposite polarity antennas and as much separation between channels as I can get if they point at each other or can be seen by each other. On some transmission sites I use 3 - 120 deg sectors, others maybe a 180 deg and a 90 or two 90's, I have one site with one 120 because that's all I needed to cover and when you use multiples transmitters on a site you need separation between channels. I'm not all that familiar with Motorola gear but others on the list are. They have a GPS sync function that allows them to reuse more channels throughout their network. I don't want to start a feature / religious war about brands but these are my 5 plus years 900MHz experiences. I've found no two sites are anywhere near the same as I've designed and built my system from the center out. We now operate more than 20 transmission sites around a county in southern Indiana. I have 12-15 more to go before we cover 95% plus of the people and we'll probably get there this year. I will say that WaveRiders throughput is more limited 2 MB verses 6MB for Canopy. In my area that hasn't been an issue yet. I have heard of an 8MB POE transmitter due out this summer. Maybe Scott Carlson, who is a vendor member, would like to comment. grin. I've have tested Canopy, Trango, Tranzeo, and Ubiquiti cards and without filters none will work very well. Without filters noise floors can be 80db or less. With filters and the right design you can get better than 90db in most cases. I've tried entire band filters 902-928 and found them to be mostly ineffective in eliminating the noise from pagers and cells sites. The biggest problem I see in looking at Tranzeo, and Ubiquiti, other than the later isn't certified, is the lack of filter availability. WaveRider's filters are centered around the channels they support and that's made all the difference for us. Some of our sites were designed to transmit 3 miles because that was our target, others are designed to go 8 miles because that was our target. Your maximum power output is 4 watts or 36 EIRP but you don't always have to put out that much power, sometimes less is better. My disclaimer. I don't own or have interest in any of the companies I've discussed other than my own. Just my thoughts. Good Luck, Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies Corydon, IN www.portative.com Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:14:14 -0500 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:07:01 +, Ron Wallace wrote To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605- 4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron, there is a truth that the constitution says that with a court order, almost anything can be searched. I don't know that any of us really seriously disagree with that. If there were an absolute privacy, then we'd be unable to catch or prosecute some really bad people. Now let's look at CALEA. CALEA was written to allow simple phone taps in a non-wired world - electronic switching of POTS. Seems reasonable, seeing as how Congress did ante up the money to pay the subjects to make the changes. When we read the FAQ, we find absolute requirements that EVERY cpe or AP you have be changed to become CALEA compliant. How many of you run stuff that's now out of date or no longer produced? How many of you have equipment that physically lacks the capability of being changed to provide the data mirror capability? Again, the FAQ, ALL equipment providers must make their equipment compliant. And what if they don't? A LOT of our stuff comes from offshore or outside our borders. Arbitrary demands we include certain specified functionality including certain code in all equipment.. What if they won't? It becomes illegal to use, that's what. What if they do? We're handing the mechanism used to intercept law enforcement type demands to people outside our country, with no loyalty, obligations, or even assurance of fidelity. Can you say built in back door? And OUR posteriors are on the line, since WE have to GAURANTEE privacy and confidentiality. Even though we produce none of it, wrote none of it, and have no recourse on the people who did. Even worse, we're totally at someone else's mercy to maintain full and bug-free compliance through upgrades, updates, etc. So, if the code won't fit into your Trango's firmware, guess who will be buying new Trango equipment? What if you own stuff that's no longer in production. Do you suppose compliance backfitting will be at a 'nice' price? Just examples of big brother injecting himself into your network, business, pocketbook. And WISPA won't even COMMENT to the regulators that is is TOTALLY WRONG. Instead, the leadership browbeats the membership when they object. It's the law they say. We only lost because nobody would object. Yes, it's all wrong, but the strategy is to isolate all who would object, and beat them down one at a time. One equipment maker at a time, one ISP at a time, one trade association at a time. All our leadership does is play politics, attack and isolate the individuals who object. When it finally results in a bunch of our industry failing, the comment will be that's the price of doing business, by those who remain and persist in the pursuit of market dominance. Frankly, today, I have pneumonia, the flu, and a cold... and that doesn't make me half as sick as how we've been taken down. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make sense? If not then why not? I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or off for non-payment and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives which work better? Happy Easter guys and gals, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Im experience it depends on what you consider works. If you consider being able to transfer a decent amount of data with 5% packet loss working then yeah it works, if you have anything that is latency sensitive then no it doesn't work well in noisy environments. Our area is noisy on both H and V pol so I am not able to avoid the noise and it clobbers my Trango 900. As I mentioned in my previous post I am moving as many as my customers off 900 as I can and I have not done any new 900 installs for quite sometime. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help I agree with Mac. Trango 900mhz just works. Travis Mac Dearman wrote: Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
Scriv, PPPOE is a great approach and is very affective, but it does have its disadvantages as well. The only thing I don't like about it is you need to have better than an average wireless connection. We try to do this on every install any way, but stuff just happens sometimes after the install. PPPOE does not like lost packets (at all) and will not authenticate a client on a marginal wireless signal in my experience. PPPOE is not the only way to use radius as authentication. There are a number of ways to authenticate via radius - like MAC addy and IP. There is the Static dynamic IP set up (where the sub always gets the same IP via DHCP server) (or statically assign the IP) and then do MAC authentication via radius. I know you are like I am in that the MAC you would authenticate would be the MAC of the radio you install. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make sense? If not then why not? I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or off for non-payment and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives which work better? Happy Easter guys and gals, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
