Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm 
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as 
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Rick Harnish
I think the stability comes from the diagonal polarization pole?  Which
polarity do you think will pick up the most interference?
Horizontal/Vertical or half way in between ;)

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm 
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as 
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

-- 
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Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Ryan Langseth

If you are getting to the middle of nowhere with a service vehicle, 
http://www.collegeflagsandbanners.com/tailgate-flagpole.html  would 
probably work well.  Our CEO has one for tailgating (we have not tried 
it for surveys), you just drive onto the stand and put in the flag pole.

Our tailgate flagpole system is an excellent addition to your 
tailgating equipment. Sold separately, the system includes our 
[extendable 44 - ] 20' tailgate flagpole, wheel stand, and ground mount 
thereby allowing to setup your tailgate party on any surface.


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Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm looking at getting a telescoping mast to check for signals.  It sure 
 would be nice to know just how high I have to go to get good signal vs. 
 knowing that 7' - 8' (where is as tall as I can hold the antenna) isn't 
 enough.
 
 If I'm next to a house, no big deal...  someone stands at the base (I think I 
 saw a steak mount) while someone else stands on the roof to steady.  How 
 would I steady it in the middle of nowhere...  i.e.:  checking to see how I 
 could steady it when I'm checking signal in some experiments\long term 
 production use.
 
 I do have access to flatbed trailers I could guy to the pockets...  not for 
 transport, though, just stationary testing.
 
 
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[WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread George Rogato
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Rogers
I think the technical term is Vertizonical.

Eric


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

I think the stability comes from the diagonal polarization pole?  Which
polarity do you think will pick up the most interference?
Horizontal/Vertical or half way in between ;)

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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm 
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as 
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Chuck McCown
Would that be right hand vertizonical or left hand vertizonical?

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I think the technical term is Vertizonical.

 Eric


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:17 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 I think the stability comes from the diagonal polarization pole?  Which
 polarity do you think will pick up the most interference?
 Horizontal/Vertical or half way in between ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:50 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

 If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
 http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

 -- 
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 Network Engineering and Security Consulting
 573-276-2879
 http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread Jack Unger
There is a growing controversy centered on the Connected Nation 
(Connect Kentucky, Connect Ohio, Connected Tennessee etc.) 
political-business efforts. 

The reason is that it appears that the primary beneficiaries are the 
ILEC phone companies and their drive to extend their power, influence 
and business dominance. This occurs (of course) at the expense of WISPs 
and small non-ILEC broadband providers.

Here are some links so you can read up on it.

(Commentary) 
http://www.drewclark.com/connect-kentucky-article-raises-bell-lobby-specter/

(Original Art Brodsky article) http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334

jack


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread Chuck McCown
But, but, but... we LOVE small rural ILECs...

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 There is a growing controversy centered on the Connected Nation
 (Connect Kentucky, Connect Ohio, Connected Tennessee etc.)
 political-business efforts.

 The reason is that it appears that the primary beneficiaries are the
 ILEC phone companies and their drive to extend their power, influence
 and business dominance. This occurs (of course) at the expense of WISPs
 and small non-ILEC broadband providers.

 Here are some links so you can read up on it.

 (Commentary)
 http://www.drewclark.com/connect-kentucky-article-raises-bell-lobby-specter/

 (Original Art Brodsky article) http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334

 jack


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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Rogers
It depends, are you dyslexic?

Eric



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Would that be right hand vertizonical or left hand vertizonical?

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I think the technical term is Vertizonical.

 Eric


 -Original Message-
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On
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 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:17 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 I think the stability comes from the diagonal polarization pole?
Which
 polarity do you think will pick up the most interference?
 Horizontal/Vertical or half way in between ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:50 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

 If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
 http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

 -- 
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 Network Engineering and Security Consulting
 573-276-2879
 http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread John Scrivner
I am a founding member of Connect SI which is a broadband and economic
development initiative aimed at improving economic development, in
part, through better access to broadband in the 22 southern most
counties of Illinois. This is similar but not exactly like the other
initiatives referenced below. I have invited all WISPs in this region
to join forces in this effort. Most just turn their noses up at it and
say it is just to help the ILECs. It has helped me and I am not an
ILEC. I started getting asked to meetings in front of schools,
healthcare, municipalities, etc. as a direct result of my involvement
in this effort. So far the ILECs have been part of the effort but have
not controlled the agenda and have played fair.

I have been involved in building list servers for various interests in
Connect SI to help them communicate and we have designed and built a
simple database solution which allows people, businesses, schools,
etc. to ask for broadband. The system logs the requests and forwards
the requests on to all vested network providers in the Connect SI
region. The providers who shun the effort do not get to see the
requests. If I acted as other WISPs and shunned the effort then I
guess I would have a similar opinion that it is designed to only help
the ILECs. Since I am involved in helping the effort helps me as well.

I find that many WISPs either lack the desire or just distrust any
effort which is something they do not own or control completely. I
used to be the same way. I have been burnt before. I do not open
myself up to being a target. I also do not automaticaly distrust
efforts which are maybe different than how I might attack a problem. I
often think that think tanks, government interests and educators take
a wrong turn in policy building such as community  broadband
development projects. Instead of simply ignoring the efforts this time
I decided to be part of the plan. In doing so I was able to build many
valuable contacts and open doors that were always shut before. It does
not hurt to go into these community building efforts like this and
decide you are going to make them work for your own interests as well
as those of tthe group.

If others try to make things go wrong you have some control if you are
inside. If you do not take part then your voice does not get heard and
your interests will inevitably be ignored. I have little doubt that
ILECs control many of the referenced iitiatives dicussed below. I also
doubt that many of the WISPs have tried to be part of these efforts.
If they did then I am guessing those that did are laughing all the way
to the bank wondering why all the WISP competitors around them have
ignored the opportunities.

If you are a WISP and someone asks you to attend a planning meeting
for any broadband initiatives in your area I strongly suggest you take
them up on it. You only share what information you want to share with
them and being there means they tell you everything they are planning.
It is the only place to be in these efforts from my perspective. If
others here have been active in any of the referenced efforts please
share your thoughts. From my end I see little to dislike when I am one
of those inside the effort.
Scriv



On Jan 31, 2008 3:07 PM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There is a growing controversy centered on the Connected Nation
 (Connect Kentucky, Connect Ohio, Connected Tennessee etc.)
 political-business efforts.

 The reason is that it appears that the primary beneficiaries are the
 ILEC phone companies and their drive to extend their power, influence
 and business dominance. This occurs (of course) at the expense of WISPs
 and small non-ILEC broadband providers.

 Here are some links so you can read up on it.

 (Commentary)
 http://www.drewclark.com/connect-kentucky-article-raises-bell-lobby-specter/

 (Original Art Brodsky article) http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334

 jack



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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Brian Webster
Depends on if you are in the Northern or Southern Hemisphere... :-)



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Would that be right hand vertizonical or left hand vertizonical?

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I think the technical term is Vertizonical.

 Eric


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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 I think the stability comes from the diagonal polarization pole?  Which
 polarity do you think will pick up the most interference?
 Horizontal/Vertical or half way in between ;)

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:50 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

 If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
 http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/45deg.JPG

 --
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 573-276-2879
 http://www.butchevans.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread Chuck McCown
Now that is something I can agree with, RBOC spelled another way is BORG.
- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee


I think WISPs should start looking less at ILECs as being an enemy and
 realize that in 99% of the cases it is the RBOCs who are the real
 problem. I work with some of the ILECs around me and most are great
 people who are running a business just like the rest of us. Many ILECs
 are WISPs these days too. Like it or not the ILECs are part of our
 culture now. If I remember right you are actually an ILEC aren't you
 Chuck?   :-)
 Scriv


 On Jan 31, 2008 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But, but, but... we LOVE small rural ILECs...


 - Original Message -
 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee


  There is a growing controversy centered on the Connected Nation
  (Connect Kentucky, Connect Ohio, Connected Tennessee etc.)
  political-business efforts.
 
  The reason is that it appears that the primary beneficiaries are the
  ILEC phone companies and their drive to extend their power, influence
  and business dominance. This occurs (of course) at the expense of WISPs
  and small non-ILEC broadband providers.
 
  Here are some links so you can read up on it.
 
  (Commentary)
  http://www.drewclark.com/connect-kentucky-article-raises-bell-lobby-specter/
 
  (Original Art Brodsky article) http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334
 
  jack
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Albert
If this conversation were not so much fun...

Several years back I contrived this system to support rapid site
surveys. Check out the photos here.

http://picasaweb.google.com/realbert/MobileMast?authkey=xCpDJSQ-Snk

We used a flag pole from the Uncommon Flagpole company and it worked
great. At the time they did not have a hitch mount so we welded our own.
Uncommon later went on to copy, albeit simplify the design.

http://www.uncommonflagpoles.com/tfp20s.html
http://www.uncommonflagpoles.com/moha.html


I still like the Will Burt for it's stability but this might provide a
few ideas, outside of the cranes that clearly need aircraft clearance
lighting and supplemental oxygen that some have suggested in this
thread. Enjoy!



Eric Albert
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Alvarion, Inc.


 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:34 PM
To: WISPA List
Subject: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

I'm looking at getting a telescoping mast to check for signals.  It sure
would be nice to know just how high I have to go to get good signal vs.
knowing that 7' - 8' (where is as tall as I can hold the antenna) isn't
enough.

If I'm next to a house, no big deal...  someone stands at the base (I
think I saw a steak mount) while someone else stands on the roof to
steady.  How would I steady it in the middle of nowhere...  i.e.:
checking to see how I could steady it when I'm checking signal in some
experiments\long term production use.

I do have access to flatbed trailers I could guy to the pockets...  not
for transport, though, just stationary testing.


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee

2008-01-31 Thread Victoria Proffer
I like the Broadband Mapping that Virgina Tech is working on:
http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/maps/broadbandmap.php

I would like to see more of this type of mapping on a national level.  I
have added our WISP to the map and I check back often.  I am encouraged to
see other WISPs listing their services.

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On 1/31/08, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now that is something I can agree with, RBOC spelled another way is BORG.
 - Original Message -
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee


 I think WISPs should start looking less at ILECs as being an enemy and
  realize that in 99% of the cases it is the RBOCs who are the real
  problem. I work with some of the ILECs around me and most are great
  people who are running a business just like the rest of us. Many ILECs
  are WISPs these days too. Like it or not the ILECs are part of our
  culture now. If I remember right you are actually an ILEC aren't you
  Chuck?   :-)
  Scriv
 
 
  On Jan 31, 2008 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  But, but, but... we LOVE small rural ILECs...
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Tennessee
 
 
   There is a growing controversy centered on the Connected Nation
   (Connect Kentucky, Connect Ohio, Connected Tennessee etc.)
   political-business efforts.
  
   The reason is that it appears that the primary beneficiaries are the
   ILEC phone companies and their drive to extend their power, influence
   and business dominance. This occurs (of course) at the expense of
 WISPs
   and small non-ILEC broadband providers.
  
   Here are some links so you can read up on it.
  
   (Commentary)
  
 http://www.drewclark.com/connect-kentucky-article-raises-bell-lobby-specter/
  
   (Original Art Brodsky article)
 http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334
  
   jack
  
  
   George Rogato wrote:
  
 http://www.connectedtennessee.org/mapping__research/availability_maps/
  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Blair Davis
I can test at 25 ft out of the back of my truck now.

What I really need is an ability to test at 50-80ft.  I can usualy look 
at a site and tell if a 50-60 ft bracketed will do it or not, but once 
in a while I am wrong...  Then it costs me.

And I wounder how many I said won't work actually would have...



Eric Albert wrote:
 If this conversation were not so much fun...

 Several years back I contrived this system to support rapid site
 surveys. Check out the photos here.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/realbert/MobileMast?authkey=xCpDJSQ-Snk

 We used a flag pole from the Uncommon Flagpole company and it worked
 great. At the time they did not have a hitch mount so we welded our own.
 Uncommon later went on to copy, albeit simplify the design.

 http://www.uncommonflagpoles.com/tfp20s.html
 http://www.uncommonflagpoles.com/moha.html


 I still like the Will Burt for it's stability but this might provide a
 few ideas, outside of the cranes that clearly need aircraft clearance
 lighting and supplemental oxygen that some have suggested in this
 thread. Enjoy!



 Eric Albert
 Application Engineer
 Alvarion, Inc.


  
  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:34 PM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

 I'm looking at getting a telescoping mast to check for signals.  It sure
 would be nice to know just how high I have to go to get good signal vs.
 knowing that 7' - 8' (where is as tall as I can hold the antenna) isn't
 enough.

 If I'm next to a house, no big deal...  someone stands at the base (I
 think I saw a steak mount) while someone else stands on the roof to
 steady.  How would I steady it in the middle of nowhere...  i.e.:
 checking to see how I could steady it when I'm checking signal in some
 experiments\long term production use.

 I do have access to flatbed trailers I could guy to the pockets...  not
 for transport, though, just stationary testing.


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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 
 
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[WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread John Scrivner
I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'm already registered.  Limited seating so those who wait will be stuck.
marlon

- Original Message - 
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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar


I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
 disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
 Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
 All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
 what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
 this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
 type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread Patrick Leary
Thanks Marlon and John. Nice surprise to see the endorsement.

To avoid any confusion, an e-mail to me serves as a registration, then I 
personally send each person the call in details. I purposely am not using a 
Jump page for registration out of respect for what I believe WISPs don't like 
(such as wading through jump pages and filling in online forms.

For those wanting to understand what actually going to be discussed, since John 
alluded to the agenda, here is what is being covered:

The Webinar on February 13 at 12-1PM Pacific Time. At the end of the call, 
we'll randomly pick a name among those still on the call. That person will be 
shipped one free new BreezeACCESS EZ access unit and three (3) free CPE. The 
CPE are all multiband. 

What we'll be covering in this call is full detail about the new BreezeACCESS 
EZ -- that's the new WISP priced line. We have it in beta with 5 of your peers 
large and small (we picked people with no Alvarion in their networks). So far 
the feedback has been excellent, with one guy saying, Hell yeah, get this out 
on the market. Another guy has asked to be able to sell it. So those are 
encouraging signs and we hope you'll agree. Price points for even tiny 
quantities (tiny = 1) will probably surprise you.

Also, we'll finally let the cat out of the bag about the new 900 MHz product. 
The specs on this thing truly are killer - an OFDM product with things like 1/2 
MHz center channel resolution, 27dBm output power, 5 MHz channels yet 8 Mbps 
and over 10k pps, dynamic bandwidth allocation, etc.

We'll also put out first details on the forthcoming 3650 MHz product. This is 
going to be the first 802.16e on the market and we'll explain why that is 
important. One hint: 16e allows for highly advanced antenna technologies and 
this product has MIMO matrix A and up to 4th order diversity for what we expect 
to be the best 3650 range on the market.

If time allows, I'll also cover a few subordinate products like a Wi² (Wi-Fi AP 
built into a VL CPE) that has within it completely integrated billing, 
authentication, access schemes (hourly, free, monthly, regional subscription, 
promotional code, etc.) mesh abilities, roaming, ability to segment into over a 
dozen distinct access priorities. This is a very cool device to hang off your 
network for micro hotzones. It's a solution, not a box.

So, if you want to catch the Webinar, send me a mail to register.

Thanks again John and Marlon. Luv ya!

Patrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I'm already registered.  Limited seating so those who wait will be stuck.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar


I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
 disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
 Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
 All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
 what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
 this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
 type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread Brad Belton
I received a notification/invitation from Patrick/Alvarion on Jan 23rd.
Automatically added it to my calendar.  Didn't say anything about limited
seating other than the webinar was for North American wISPs only.`

I followed the hyperlink webinar testing instructions and appear to be good
to go.  Nowhere did anything indicate there was limited seating.

Marlon, what, where or how did you register for this?

Best,


Brad



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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I'm already registered.  Limited seating so those who wait will be stuck.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar


I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
 disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
 Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
 All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
 what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
 this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
 type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I certainly have access to those, but I was looking get a 50 foot mast and 
was hoping there was a good solution for at least 30'.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast


 On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've got my eye on one of those old crank up TV antennas.  I'm
gonna mount it on a trailer, set up outriggers that span as far as
I can make them and use it for surveys and/or temp sites.

 If you use a plow disk, you'd get some real stability!
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread Patrick Leary
You are good to go Brad. The limited seats refers to how many dial-ins
are permitted. I have already upped the quantity I need so I should be
able to accommodate just about anyone.

Patrick

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Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I received a notification/invitation from Patrick/Alvarion on Jan 23rd.
Automatically added it to my calendar.  Didn't say anything about
limited
seating other than the webinar was for North American wISPs only.`

I followed the hyperlink webinar testing instructions and appear to be
good
to go.  Nowhere did anything indicate there was limited seating.

Marlon, what, where or how did you register for this?

Best,


Brad



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I'm already registered.  Limited seating so those who wait will be
stuck.
marlon

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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar


I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
 disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
 Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
 All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
 what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
 this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
 type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

2008-01-31 Thread Brad Belton
OK, sounds good and looking forward to it.

Thanks,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

You are good to go Brad. The limited seats refers to how many dial-ins
are permitted. I have already upped the quantity I need so I should be
able to accommodate just about anyone.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:20 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I received a notification/invitation from Patrick/Alvarion on Jan 23rd.
Automatically added it to my calendar.  Didn't say anything about
limited
seating other than the webinar was for North American wISPs only.`

I followed the hyperlink webinar testing instructions and appear to be
good
to go.  Nowhere did anything indicate there was limited seating.

Marlon, what, where or how did you register for this?

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar

I'm already registered.  Limited seating so those who wait will be
stuck.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Webinar


I know this will sound like an advertisement but I think it would be a
 disservice to you guys if I did not tell you about the upcoming
 Alvarion Webinar. Patrick Leary will be hosting this on February 13th.
 All I am going to say is that missing this would be a mistake from
 what Patrick included in the agenda. If you want to be included in
 this event then send an email to Patrick. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and just
 type Add me to the webinar in the subject line.
 Scriv






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