[WISPA] bandwidth needed in Lake Wales Florida

2008-03-23 Thread Mac Dearman
Does anyone have a lead for someone who could provide a PTP link supplying
bandwidth into Lake Wales, Florida? 

 

Thanks,

Mac Dearman CEO

Maximum Access, LLC.

www.inetsouth.com http://www.inetsouth.com/ 

Rayville, La.

318.728.8600

318.728.9600

318.728.8642

 




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[WISPA] comparison of mesh products

2008-03-23 Thread Rogelio
I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety
environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc)

Does anyone here have any experience in this department?  Ideally, I might
find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products.



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Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products

2008-03-23 Thread Drew Lentz
I've worked with most of em. Hit me off list if you want a general 
comparison :)

-d

Rogelio wrote:
 I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety
 environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc)

 Does anyone here have any experience in this department?  Ideally, I might
 find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products.


 
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Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products

2008-03-23 Thread Brian Webster
Rogelio,
I was as one of the Chief RF Engineers at EarthLink last year and 
directly
in charge of the Philadelphia Municipal project. Hit me up off list if you
want some insight to mesh deployments.



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I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety
environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc)

Does anyone here have any experience in this department?  Ideally, I might
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[WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure

2008-03-23 Thread Matt Liotta
http://www.commsday.com/node/228

Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure
March 20th, 2008
Australia’s first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay’s Buzz Broadband, has  
closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a  
“disaster” that “failed miserably.”

In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience  
in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the  
technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was “non- 
existent” beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor  
performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as  
high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it  
unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP,  
which Buzz has employed as the main selling point to induce people to  
shed their use of incumbent services.

Freeman highlighted his presentation with a warning to delegates,  
saying “WiMAX may not work.” He said that the technology was still  
“mired in opportunistic hype,” pointing to the fact most deployments  
were still in trials, that it was largely used by start-up carriers  
and was supported by “second-tier vendors”, which he contrasted with  
HSPA with 154 commercial networks already in operation and support  
from top tier vendors.

What made Freeman’s presentation most extraordinary was that just 12  
months ago he fronted the same event with a generally positive  
appraisal of the platform which at that stage he had deployed just a  
few months before. At the time, Freeman said that his company had  
signed 10% of its 55,000 user target market in just two months, a  
market share that rose to 25%, on the back of an advertising campaign  
that highlighted value VoIP prices.

He did acknowledge at the time that the technology had indoor coverage  
issues, which he yesterday said had earned him a quick and negative  
reaction at the time from his supplier, Airspan. Other early WiMAX  
adopters have also reported issues with indoor coverage: VSNL in India  
reported indoor loss at just 200m from the base station at an IEEE  
conference last year.

HORSES FOR COURSES: Freeman says Buzz has now abandoned WiMAX in  
favour of a “horses for courses” policy. This includes use of the TD- 
CDMA standard at 1.9GHz—used by operators such as New Zealand’s Woosh  
Wireless—and a platform he described as wireless DOCSIS– a relatively  
little known technology that takes HFC plant and extends its  
capabilities via wireless mesh. He said wireless DOCSIS operates at up  
to 38Mbps in the 3.5GHz spectrum and its customer premises equipment  
supported two voice ports for under $A70 while it boasted “huge cell  
coverage.” He also was employing more conventional wireless mesh  
platforms at 2.4GHz that support up to 10Mbps with CPE voice ports  
costing less than A$80.

Despite his problems with WiMAX, Freeman is a believer that  
competitors should operate their own infrastructure and not depend on  
Telstra unbundled or wholesale offerings. Prior to Buzz he was  
involved in the rollout of regional Victorian HFC networks as an  
executive with Neighborhood Cable. He says the use of wireless is  
essential in Hervey Bay, because ADSL is blocked to 80% of the  
population because of Telstra’s use of pairgain and RIMs, while what  
ADSL ports are available  are now largely exhausted. But years of  
successive government policies had weakened the case for standalone  
infrastructure, beginning with restrictive policies in the pay  
television market which he said undermined independent HFC deployments.

“I’m against government micromanagement of the market. Government  
should start to provide a conducive investment environment.”

Not all WiMAX operators are unhappy.

Internode says an Airspan-supplied network is providing consistent  
average speeds of 6Mbps at distances up to 30km, with CEO Simon  
Hackett describing the platform as “proven.”

Freeman’s frank words left many at the WiMAX event looking  
uncomfortable but none more so than his co-panelist Adrian de Brenni  
representing Opel Networks. De Brenni, standing in for an absent Jason  
Horley, said little new about Opel that hasn’t already been discussed,  
except to state that QoS would be a product feature of the future Opel  
wholesale offering “including voice.”

by Grahame Lynch



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[WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread Ron Wallace
to All,

I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. 
Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure

2008-03-23 Thread Brian Webster
This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor 
CPE
business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many
unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external
antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of
wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a
couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like
metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE
and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to
be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the
buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a
non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about
is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you
higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with
the unit being away from the general public.
While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need 
to
have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to
overcome the building  losses. This may work in a densely populated area
where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In
rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on
doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base
station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many
truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't
justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network
(meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would
never be the return on the invested dollar.
That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you
want a good way to think about it,  how many times have you run around a
building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call
going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be
that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to
get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer,
and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some
commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones)
about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet
should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they
should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their
broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet
working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own
wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the
consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It
sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also
stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors).
Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no
matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in
the math.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as
miserablefailure


http://www.commsday.com/node/228

Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure
March 20th, 2008
Australia’s first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay’s Buzz Broadband, has
closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a
“disaster” that “failed miserably.”

In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience
in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the
technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was “non-
existent” beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor
performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as
high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it
unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP,
which Buzz has employed as the main selling point to induce people to
shed their use of incumbent services.

Freeman highlighted his presentation with a warning to delegates,
saying “WiMAX may not work.” He said that the technology was still
“mired in opportunistic hype,” pointing to the fact most deployments
were still in trials, that it was largely used by start-up carriers
and was supported by “second-tier vendors”, which he contrasted with
HSPA with 154 commercial networks already in operation and support
from top tier vendors.

What made Freeman’s presentation most extraordinary was that just 12
months ago he fronted the same event with a generally positive
appraisal of the platform which 

Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Cisco PIX ASA series (unlimited user). I think they are about $600-$700.

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 to All,

 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. 
 Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 
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Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread David E. Smith

 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their
 LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule
 prefer $500.

That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what
if any outside access should be permitted?

This could be as simple as a $50 Linksys router, or as complicated as a
mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked those still were in the $700-ish
range). Answering the question properly will require quite a bit more
information.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] [WISP] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Ron Wallace wrote:

I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for 
their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, 
Doc woule prefer $500.

If you go with Mikrotik, ImageStream, StarOS or some other Linux 
based solution, you can get into the price range you suggested 
easily.  Also, with the above solutions, you have MUCH more 
flexibility than a Pix or other solutions out there.  Give me a ring 
if you want quotes on the firewall portion, as the hardware is only 
a part of what you need.

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[WISPA] Hydrogen Power

2008-03-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking to run electricity through a hydrogen electrolyzer, store the 
hydrogen, then later run it through a fuel cell as needed.  Does anyone have 
some good sources of information or products?


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Re: [WISPA] Hydrogen Power

2008-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
I get fuel cell magazine each month.  It is full of sources.  Probably an on 
line version.
Just curious, why?  Battery efficiency is just as good if not better.  Bound 
to be much cheaper.   Fuel cells make water, and that causes problems in 
cold weather.

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Subject: [WISPA] Hydrogen Power


 I'm looking to run electricity through a hydrogen electrolyzer, store the 
 hydrogen, then later run it through a fuel cell as needed.  Does anyone 
 have some good sources of information or products?


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Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - Link Techs
Mikrotik :)

Ron Wallace wrote:
 to All,

 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. 
 Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna

2008-03-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've certainly seen strange things happen to antennas.

This could also be interference that happens to be in that particular 
direction.

Do you have access to a spec a?

Yeah, the rssi vs. noise would sure be nice to have!

marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Antenna


 Has anybody ever seen part of an antenna fail.  We have a 3
 sector site and it seems like about 60 degrees of one of the antennas is
 failing based on plotting customer sites.  Signal to noise in their
 section have dropped about 10dB (it is a 15dBi antenna), yet other
 customers on the same antenna are not seeing any drop.  This is VL so we
 do not really get a real RSSI unfortunately, though I had thought
 Patrick told us we were going to get this.  Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure

2008-03-23 Thread Gino Villarini
Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working.

Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we
are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I
have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not
that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed
...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology
asmiserablefailure

This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of
indoor CPE
business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too
many
unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an
external
antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the
limitations of
wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just
a
couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like
metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the
CPE
and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always
preferable to
be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of
the
buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses
are a
non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry
about
is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow
you
higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change
with
the unit being away from the general public.
While you can make the case for customer self installs, you
would need to
have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to
overcome the building  losses. This may work in a densely populated area
where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition).
In
rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure
on
doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX
base
station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct
many
truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't
justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network
(meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would
never be the return on the invested dollar.
That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me.
If you
want a good way to think about it,  how many times have you run around a
building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good
call
going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will
be
that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just
to
get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy
consumer,
and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some
commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good
ones)
about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless
internet
should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they
should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and
their
broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless
internet
working and they did not believe that they would have to install their
own
wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the
consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work.
It
sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will
also
stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors).
Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of
physics.no
matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's
all in
the math.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as
miserablefailure


http://www.commsday.com/node/228

Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure
March 20th, 2008
Australia's first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay's Buzz Broadband, has
closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a
disaster that failed miserably.

In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience
in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the
technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was non-
existent beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor
performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as
high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it
unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP,
which 

Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure

2008-03-23 Thread Jenco Wireless
I have a local competitor who uses Wi-Max equipment - maybe even the brand
you mentioned (sorry - I don't want sued) - I have had calls from a customer
or two of theirs who are looking for something better.  I have no way of
knowing all of the details (signal strength, etc.), but at one of their
customers homes I did some testing and it really did look like crap (500-600
ms lag times).  I have been saying to myself for a long time, self - it's
all just hype until you see differently for yourself.  I may have been
right.  I like it when I'm right :-)


Brad H




On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working.

 Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we
 are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I
 have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not
 that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed
 ...

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology
 asmiserablefailure

This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of
 indoor CPE
 business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too
 many
 unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an
 external
 antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the
 limitations of
 wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just
 a
 couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like
 metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the
 CPE
 and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always
 preferable to
 be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of
 the
 buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses
 are a
 non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry
 about
 is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow
 you
 higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change
 with
 the unit being away from the general public.
While you can make the case for customer self installs, you
 would need to
 have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to
 overcome the building  losses. This may work in a densely populated area
 where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition).
 In
 rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure
 on
 doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX
 base
 station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct
 many
 truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't
 justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network
 (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would
 never be the return on the invested dollar.
That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me.
 If you
 want a good way to think about it,  how many times have you run around a
 building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good
 call
 going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will
 be
 that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just
 to
 get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy
 consumer,
 and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some
 commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good
 ones)
 about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless
 internet
 should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they
 should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and
 their
 broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless
 internet
 working and they did not believe that they would have to install their
 own
 wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the
 consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work.
 It
 sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will
 also
 stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors).
Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of
 physics.no
 matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's
 all in
 the math.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


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