[WISPA] bandwidth needed in Lake Wales Florida
Does anyone have a lead for someone who could provide a PTP link supplying bandwidth into Lake Wales, Florida? Thanks, Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com http://www.inetsouth.com/ Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] comparison of mesh products
I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc) Does anyone here have any experience in this department? Ideally, I might find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products
I've worked with most of em. Hit me off list if you want a general comparison :) -d Rogelio wrote: I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc) Does anyone here have any experience in this department? Ideally, I might find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products
Rogelio, I was as one of the Chief RF Engineers at EarthLink last year and directly in charge of the Philadelphia Municipal project. Hit me up off list if you want some insight to mesh deployments. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc) Does anyone here have any experience in this department? Ideally, I might find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure
http://www.commsday.com/node/228 Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure March 20th, 2008 Australia’s first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay’s Buzz Broadband, has closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a “disaster” that “failed miserably.” In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was “non- existent” beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which Buzz has employed as the main selling point to induce people to shed their use of incumbent services. Freeman highlighted his presentation with a warning to delegates, saying “WiMAX may not work.” He said that the technology was still “mired in opportunistic hype,” pointing to the fact most deployments were still in trials, that it was largely used by start-up carriers and was supported by “second-tier vendors”, which he contrasted with HSPA with 154 commercial networks already in operation and support from top tier vendors. What made Freeman’s presentation most extraordinary was that just 12 months ago he fronted the same event with a generally positive appraisal of the platform which at that stage he had deployed just a few months before. At the time, Freeman said that his company had signed 10% of its 55,000 user target market in just two months, a market share that rose to 25%, on the back of an advertising campaign that highlighted value VoIP prices. He did acknowledge at the time that the technology had indoor coverage issues, which he yesterday said had earned him a quick and negative reaction at the time from his supplier, Airspan. Other early WiMAX adopters have also reported issues with indoor coverage: VSNL in India reported indoor loss at just 200m from the base station at an IEEE conference last year. HORSES FOR COURSES: Freeman says Buzz has now abandoned WiMAX in favour of a “horses for courses” policy. This includes use of the TD- CDMA standard at 1.9GHz—used by operators such as New Zealand’s Woosh Wireless—and a platform he described as wireless DOCSIS– a relatively little known technology that takes HFC plant and extends its capabilities via wireless mesh. He said wireless DOCSIS operates at up to 38Mbps in the 3.5GHz spectrum and its customer premises equipment supported two voice ports for under $A70 while it boasted “huge cell coverage.” He also was employing more conventional wireless mesh platforms at 2.4GHz that support up to 10Mbps with CPE voice ports costing less than A$80. Despite his problems with WiMAX, Freeman is a believer that competitors should operate their own infrastructure and not depend on Telstra unbundled or wholesale offerings. Prior to Buzz he was involved in the rollout of regional Victorian HFC networks as an executive with Neighborhood Cable. He says the use of wireless is essential in Hervey Bay, because ADSL is blocked to 80% of the population because of Telstra’s use of pairgain and RIMs, while what ADSL ports are available are now largely exhausted. But years of successive government policies had weakened the case for standalone infrastructure, beginning with restrictive policies in the pay television market which he said undermined independent HFC deployments. “I’m against government micromanagement of the market. Government should start to provide a conducive investment environment.” Not all WiMAX operators are unhappy. Internode says an Airspan-supplied network is providing consistent average speeds of 6Mbps at distances up to 30km, with CEO Simon Hackett describing the platform as “proven.” Freeman’s frank words left many at the WiMAX event looking uncomfortable but none more so than his co-panelist Adrian de Brenni representing Opel Networks. De Brenni, standing in for an absent Jason Horley, said little new about Opel that hasn’t already been discussed, except to state that QoS would be a product feature of the future Opel wholesale offering “including voice.” by Grahame Lynch WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
to All, I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure
This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure http://www.commsday.com/node/228 Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure March 20th, 2008 Australia’s first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay’s Buzz Broadband, has closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a “disaster” that “failed miserably.” In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was “non- existent” beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which Buzz has employed as the main selling point to induce people to shed their use of incumbent services. Freeman highlighted his presentation with a warning to delegates, saying “WiMAX may not work.” He said that the technology was still “mired in opportunistic hype,” pointing to the fact most deployments were still in trials, that it was largely used by start-up carriers and was supported by “second-tier vendors”, which he contrasted with HSPA with 154 commercial networks already in operation and support from top tier vendors. What made Freeman’s presentation most extraordinary was that just 12 months ago he fronted the same event with a generally positive appraisal of the platform which
Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
Cisco PIX ASA series (unlimited user). I think they are about $600-$700. Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: to All, I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what if any outside access should be permitted? This could be as simple as a $50 Linksys router, or as complicated as a mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked those still were in the $700-ish range). Answering the question properly will require quite a bit more information. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] The best Firewall - for the money
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Ron Wallace wrote: I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. If you go with Mikrotik, ImageStream, StarOS or some other Linux based solution, you can get into the price range you suggested easily. Also, with the above solutions, you have MUCH more flexibility than a Pix or other solutions out there. Give me a ring if you want quotes on the firewall portion, as the hardware is only a part of what you need. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hydrogen Power
I'm looking to run electricity through a hydrogen electrolyzer, store the hydrogen, then later run it through a fuel cell as needed. Does anyone have some good sources of information or products? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hydrogen Power
I get fuel cell magazine each month. It is full of sources. Probably an on line version. Just curious, why? Battery efficiency is just as good if not better. Bound to be much cheaper. Fuel cells make water, and that causes problems in cold weather. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Hydrogen Power I'm looking to run electricity through a hydrogen electrolyzer, store the hydrogen, then later run it through a fuel cell as needed. Does anyone have some good sources of information or products? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
Mikrotik :) Ron Wallace wrote: to All, I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna
I've certainly seen strange things happen to antennas. This could also be interference that happens to be in that particular direction. Do you have access to a spec a? Yeah, the rssi vs. noise would sure be nice to have! marlon - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Has anybody ever seen part of an antenna fail. We have a 3 sector site and it seems like about 60 degrees of one of the antennas is failing based on plotting customer sites. Signal to noise in their section have dropped about 10dB (it is a 15dBi antenna), yet other customers on the same antenna are not seeing any drop. This is VL so we do not really get a real RSSI unfortunately, though I had thought Patrick told us we were going to get this. Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure http://www.commsday.com/node/228 Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure March 20th, 2008 Australia's first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay's Buzz Broadband, has closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a disaster that failed miserably. In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was non- existent beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
I have a local competitor who uses Wi-Max equipment - maybe even the brand you mentioned (sorry - I don't want sued) - I have had calls from a customer or two of theirs who are looking for something better. I have no way of knowing all of the details (signal strength, etc.), but at one of their customers homes I did some testing and it really did look like crap (500-600 ms lag times). I have been saying to myself for a long time, self - it's all just hype until you see differently for yourself. I may have been right. I like it when I'm right :-) Brad H On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as