[WISPA] Multiple DNS implementations vulnerable to cache poisoning

2008-07-24 Thread Eric Albert
Thought the community should be aware of this one. A rather lengthy blog
detailing the exact mechanics of DNS cache poisoning got leaked
yesterday. 
 -Eric

http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/security/showArticle.jhtml?
articleID=209401195



http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113

The Domain Name System (DNS) is responsible for translating host names
to IP addresses (and vice versa) and is critical for the normal
operation of internet-connected systems. DNS cache poisoning (sometimes
referred to as cache pollution) is an attack technique that allows an
attacker to introduce forged DNS information into the cache of a caching
nameserver. DNS cache poisoning is not a new concept; in fact, there are
published articles that describe a number of inherent deficiencies in
the DNS protocol and defects in common DNS implementations that
facilitate DNS cache poisoning. The following are examples of these
deficiencies and defects:

Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion, Inc.






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[WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.  If 
you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 
miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 
megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory

2008-07-24 Thread Joe Miller
You rock!!! It isn't often when you are able to out do the planning dept.

Crow...Man...Crow!!!


--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:00 AM
 lol
 
 coolness
 
 marlon
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:26 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory
 
 
  Just got back from a county commission meeting.  We
 appealed conditions
  placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. 
 They wanted us to
  provide a full acre of fall protection clearance
 around the tower (leased
  land).  That acre would be conveyed to the county. 
 They wanted the parcel
  fenced, and landscaped.  And the provision that no
 other development could
  ever be done there.
 
  This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of
 a cow pasture.  I
  argued equal protection, I showed were they have never
 made us do this any
  other location.  I told them I wanted the cows to
 graze under the tower. 
  We
  argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the
 ordinance cited.  I told
  them that they should require the local power company
 to have a clear fall
  zone around every power pole.
 
  The commissioners struck all the conditions.  The
 planning guy was trying 
  at
  the end to insert elements from the contract between
 us and the rancher. 
  I
  objected to anything from that contract being read
 into the record for 
  that
  proceeding.  They shut him down on that too.  The
 planner is a new guy, 
  just
  graduated from college in May as a planner or some
 such thing.  Our CUP 
  was
  one of the first things he did.  I tried to reason
 with him early in the
  process but he had to strut his stuff.  So his stuff
 got rolled into a 
  very
  tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice.  I
 think I will go out 
  on
  the back porch and crow a little.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
That is what they make Dragonwave for .

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


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 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a 
downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. 
Well, at least not around here.


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- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have 
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on 
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


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- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to 
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays off 
a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your 
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
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Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?

2008-07-24 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We have an official definition of a wisp.  It was part of what we had to 
 define in order for a person/company to be a principal member.

Without knowing what Jack's up to, I imagine the more important part 
would be how does the FCC define a WISP. They probably have some big 
flowery thing that boils down to someone that sends in 477, where more 
than X percent of their customers are in the fixed-wireless category. X 
is probably higher than 50%, but beyond that it's all guessing.

Anyone know whether the FCC makes available a more complete breakdown of 
the 477 data, beyond the one really simple thirty-page report they put 
out twice a year? Data broken down by a state or even ZIP level. 
Something that will make Excel weep.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW 
from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Single or multiple hop(s)?

Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


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- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays 
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that 
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up 
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under 
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
 Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?

2008-07-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
As I recall, I did check with them.  They didn't have anything specific. 
That's one of the reasons that we had to come up with a definition.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We have an official definition of a wisp.  It was part of what we had to
 define in order for a person/company to be a principal member.

 Without knowing what Jack's up to, I imagine the more important part
 would be how does the FCC define a WISP. They probably have some big
 flowery thing that boils down to someone that sends in 477, where more
 than X percent of their customers are in the fixed-wireless category. X
 is probably higher than 50%, but beyond that it's all guessing.

 Anyone know whether the FCC makes available a more complete breakdown of
 the 477 data, beyond the one really simple thirty-page report they put
 out twice a year? Data broken down by a state or even ZIP level.
 Something that will make Excel weep.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
With their 11GHz system it is.  We use Harris for some long hops like this 
too.
But it must be pure LOS.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Single or multiple hop(s)?

 Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


 --
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 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


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 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We 
 have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Matt
 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.  If 
 you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 
 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 
 100 megs delivered.

Who is the bandwidth with?  I think I heard mention of this few months
back.  The 100m loop was from ATT but I do not believe the bandwidth
was.  Sales guy was not very responsive to anymore questions when I
told him we just signed 1 year term elsewhere.

Matt



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Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE

2008-07-24 Thread reader
I buy the little black rectangular injectors...  Generally use Titan 
Wireless for them, and have been buying table top or laptop style power 
supplies - the kind with two cords :)   I have started using them only for 
the odd setups where I need more power.   I have had only ONE failure, and 
that was one where the property owner moved some stuff around and water 
ended up trickling down the ethernet into the injector and it just plain ate 
the connections up completely.   If you buy at least 20 or so at a time, 
they give you a slight break in the price - which is somewhere around 5 b 
ucks.   I've had several bad white half-moon or triangular shaped white 
injectors.  These have an indicator LED on them.   I've actually run just 
over a full amp continuously for years over POE.   Works fine.

But Streakwave provides a lot of my stuff and doesn't sell them, so I have 
limited my alternatives just to those high power situations. 
Streakwave's 2 day ground from me, and that's about the only full line 
supplier that close.  I hate waiting for 3-5 days for ground UPS... :(

Deliberant at least used to have some nice high power 48 and 24 volt PSU's, 
I bought a few not long ago.   I don't recall the exact numbers, but I know 
that the 48's were well past the 18 watts or whatever it is the PW units put 
out.   These are handy for powering mini-itx systems, for instance.

Speaking of that,  mini-box.com has some of the best dc-dc ATX PSU's I've 
used anywhere.  They're microscopic, light, and very efficient.  And no 
failures in years.

I've also bought PSU's from Jameco.  Not always real cheap, but Iv'e gotten 
decent stuff from them.

Since converting from WRAP's to mostly WAR-1 CPE, I have had less PSU 
issues, as it seems that the 48 volt stuff is less sensitive or something...






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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE


 What is your other solution?  I haven't had too many problems, but we do
 occasionally have the POEs go bad so I'm interested in other options.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

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 I use them occaisionally and find they work ok.   I once ran a box on 
 them
 that ran them close to full power, and it fried them within 2 weeks.  I 
 went
 through two of them rapid fire before I found a different solution. 
 Other
 than that, they've been good for me.




 
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 Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also
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[WISPA] 5.8 GHz 11a over water

2008-07-24 Thread Rogelio
I'm planning PtP and PtMP shots across some water (these are for 
redundancy, not the primary links). The longest shot is about 4 mi.

Is there anything I have to worry about (other than a ship messing up my 
LOS) with 5.8 GHz going over water?



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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz 11a over water

2008-07-24 Thread Jack Unger
rereflectionsions

Rogelio wrote:
 I'm planning PtP and PtMP shots across some water (these are for 
 redundancy, not the primary links). The longest shot is about 4 mi.

 Is there anything I have to worry about (other than a ship messing up my 
 LOS) with 5.8 GHz going over water?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Has anyone on the list noticed on the 5.x nanos, that when selecting 10 Mhz
channels, that they only line up in the center of the channel, not like the
Star OS base AP, that can slide back and forth to the edges.  Are we missing
something...what are you guys doing in a crowded environment with these?

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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Jeff Booher


Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS
settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of
interference. 

 


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John,

From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same 
GPS
sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be
timed together.  Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be
certified. 

Daniel White
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I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their
networks over the next 1-3 years.
Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do
the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with
each other all over the USA.
CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and
yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by

availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65
networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows
everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place

for this to happen.

Hurdles...
-CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices.
-Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with
competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set.
-Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each
other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this
does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the
3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between
base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing.

The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds.

Thanks,

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 Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the 
 average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP 
 market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its 
 supposed to do 6 9's for
 availability?)

 It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases

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 Brian,


 Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually 
 assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the 
 MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when 
 frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration.


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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Jeff Booher
Also I forgot- frame size should be the same as well. For example, 10msec
frames vs 5msec 


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Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS
settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of
interference. 

 


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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM
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John,

From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same 
GPS
sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be
timed together.  Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be
certified. 

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their
networks over the next 1-3 years.
Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do
the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with
each other all over the USA.
CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and
yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by

availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65
networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows
everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place

for this to happen.

Hurdles...
-CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices.
-Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with
competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set.
-Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each
other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this
does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the
3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between
base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing.

The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds.

Thanks,

John Rock
Wireless Connections
Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!!
ofc. 419.660.6100
cell 419-706-7356
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 Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the 
 average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP 
 market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its 
 supposed to do 6 9's for
 availability?)

 It sucks that its going to limit the WISP's with small customers bases

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

2008-07-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Chuck,

Need to put the new AirOS 3.0 firmware on the NS5s and they will work as 
expected.

Matt Larsen
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CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Has anyone on the list noticed on the 5.x nanos, that when selecting 10 Mhz
 channels, that they only line up in the center of the channel, not like the
 Star OS base AP, that can slide back and forth to the edges.  Are we missing
 something...what are you guys doing in a crowded environment with these?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 to Rural Central California



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
ah.  I figured you'd need 6 GHz.  IIRC, even from the top of the Sears 
Tower, I'd still need a tower 50' taller than I currently have access to out 
here.


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 With their 11GHz system it is.  We use Harris for some long hops like this
 too.
 But it must be pure LOS.
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 Single or multiple hop(s)?

 Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


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 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

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 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


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 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

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 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


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 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We
 have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
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 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, Atlanta isn't in LATA 358 ;-) (as I know you're well aware), but the 
IP is from Global Crossing (who just upgraded their Atlantic circuit).


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- Original Message - 
From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to 
 say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for 100 megs delivered.

 Who is the bandwidth with?  I think I heard mention of this few months
 back.  The 100m loop was from ATT but I do not believe the bandwidth
 was.  Sales guy was not very responsive to anymore questions when I
 told him we just signed 1 year term elsewhere.

 Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, Atlanta isn't in LATA 358 ;-) (as I know you're well aware), but the 
IP is from Global Crossing (who just upgraded their Atlantic circuit).


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- Original Message - 
From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to 
 say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for 100 megs delivered.

 Who is the bandwidth with?  I think I heard mention of this few months
 back.  The 100m loop was from ATT but I do not believe the bandwidth
 was.  Sales guy was not very responsive to anymore questions when I
 told him we just signed 1 year term elsewhere.

 Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown
You need to move to areas that have mountains...
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 ah.  I figured you'd need 6 GHz.  IIRC, even from the top of the Sears
 Tower, I'd still need a tower 50' taller than I currently have access to 
 out
 here.


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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 With their 11GHz system it is.  We use Harris for some long hops like 
 this
 too.
 But it must be pure LOS.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Single or multiple hop(s)?

 Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month 
 pays
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from 
 a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We
 have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's 
 up
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
We have 11 Trango PTP's, a mix of 5030's and 5010's and they are all
rock solid.

 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

You need to move to areas that have mountains...
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 ah.  I figured you'd need 6 GHz.  IIRC, even from the top of the Sears
 Tower, I'd still need a tower 50' taller than I currently have access
to 
 out
 here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 With their 11GHz system it is.  We use Harris for some long hops like

 this
 too.
 But it must be pure LOS.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Single or multiple hop(s)?

 Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month

 pays
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth
from 
 a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.
We
 have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as
your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but
it's 
 up
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at
under
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com






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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Jerry Richardson
Sorry - replied to the wrong thread


 
 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

We have 11 Trango PTP's, a mix of 5030's and 5010's and they are all
rock solid.

 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

You need to move to areas that have mountains...
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 ah.  I figured you'd need 6 GHz.  IIRC, even from the top of the Sears
 Tower, I'd still need a tower 50' taller than I currently have access
to 
 out
 here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 With their 11GHz system it is.  We use Harris for some long hops like

 this
 too.
 But it must be pure LOS.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Single or multiple hop(s)?

 Is a 60 mile single hop possible?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month

 pays
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth
from 
 a
 downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that
 difference.
 Well, at least not around here.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is what they make Dragonwave for .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.
We
 have
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as
your
 LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but
it's 
 up
 to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at
under
 $4k
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com






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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread John Scrivner
I am south in 618-244. I have ATT as my LEC though. Any idea if that is
available here also? If yes then that is the best deal I have seen in this
area by a factor of 2.
Scriv


On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.  If
 you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60
 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
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 http://www.ics-il.com




 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Unfortunately, it does not apply there.  I'm sitting at $8250 for 100 megs 
from KDL here in DeKalb, best offer yet.


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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


I am south in 618-244. I have ATT as my LEC though. Any idea if that is
 available here also? If yes then that is the best deal I have seen in this
 area by a factor of 2.
 Scriv


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 
 If
 you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 
 60
 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for
 100 megs delivered.


 --
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Matt
 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

How many Dragonwave hops?  How much latency does it add in the end?

We looked at backhauling out of a metro area for our last upgrade.
Would have cut prices in half.  In the end we did not own a site quite
close enough to the metro area we needed to be in.  Renting space was
bit pricey.  Then after 4 hops just to get it back here the latency
was going to add up.  I also figured in adding some very critical to
maintain hops a long ways from home.

In 6 months when contracts are half up will look at options again
though.  Of course it took 7 months to install one of our new DS3's.
The other one we are sitting at 5 months and I keep hearing it will
probably be tomorrow.

Matt



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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Matt Liotta

On Jul 24, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Matt wrote:

 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month  
 pays off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 How many Dragonwave hops?  How much latency does it add in the end?

We have done several 70 mile 2 hop backhauls with a variety of radios.  
Most have a RTT of 5ms.

 We looked at backhauling out of a metro area for our last upgrade.
 Would have cut prices in half.  In the end we did not own a site quite
 close enough to the metro area we needed to be in.  Renting space was
 bit pricey.  Then after 4 hops just to get it back here the latency
 was going to add up.  I also figured in adding some very critical to
 maintain hops a long ways from home.

You are not alone. I think you'll find that working with an existing  
operating in the metro area is going to get you a much better deal.  
The existing operator already has access to cheap bandwidth as well as  
existing wireless colocation sites.

-Matt





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[WISPA] mancu

2008-07-24 Thread Dennis Burgess
I don't recall seeing a payment for him.  How is he paying.  I never saw 
anything that said he subscribed.  he should have 30 days since his 
subscription. 

 Original Message 
Subject:To Jim
Date:   Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT)
From:   Nicole:Manciu Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Jim:
 
I was checking my email for the invitation you said that was sent. There 
still is no invite from Link Tech and I was just writing to double check 
and make sure that you have the correct email address for me. I would 
have really liked to attend the session today. I hope that the 
invitation for tomorrow can be sent.
 
I was also wondering, since I was unable to attend the session today, if 
I would still have 4 more sessions before we have to pay again. I just 
want to make sure that I can still complete all the classes so I can 
take the certification test in 6 months. I will be checking periodically 
for the invitation for tomorrows session. Thanks once again.
 
~Nicole
*_Manciu Communications_*
My direct telephone number is 616.799.4819
Toll Free 866.362.6248
P.O. Box 1072
Grand Rapids, MI 49501-1072
www.manciucommunications.com http://www.manciucommunications.com/
 
 

-- 

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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services*
314-735-0270
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Chuck, does an ILEC have to be registered in every state to get wholesale 
rates or only the state they operate in? Got a dumbfounded idea up my sleeve.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:48:06 -0600

That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW 
from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Mike,

Excuse me for being dumb here, but you had restrictions on your post: The 
requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. 

Chuck is quoting maybe...something different. I know he is not in LATA 358. 
And I would most definatley bet he is not using ATT as an ILEC(since he is 
one).

Are you guys comparing apples to apples?

Scottie 


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 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to 
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Since they are full duplex, they really don't add latency.

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 We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here.  Saving 2-3K per month pays 
 off
 a Dragonwave pretty quickly.

 How many Dragonwave hops?  How much latency does it add in the end?

 We looked at backhauling out of a metro area for our last upgrade.
 Would have cut prices in half.  In the end we did not own a site quite
 close enough to the metro area we needed to be in.  Renting space was
 bit pricey.  Then after 4 hops just to get it back here the latency
 was going to add up.  I also figured in adding some very critical to
 maintain hops a long ways from home.

 In 6 months when contracts are half up will look at options again
 though.  Of course it took 7 months to install one of our new DS3's.
 The other one we are sitting at 5 months and I keep hearing it will
 probably be tomorrow.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Not really sure of the question.  The rates below are what our WISP gets. 
There is no benefit to being an ILEC or CLEC as far as I know.  Our ILEC 
buys bandwidth from our WISP.  Trunks for regular telephone calls are not 
charged for by anyone as it is all settled by minutes of use.
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 Chuck, does an ILEC have to be registered in every state to get wholesale 
 rates or only the state they operate in? Got a dumbfounded idea up my 
 sleeve.

 Scottie

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That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have BW
from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to 
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k 
 for
 100 megs delivered.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Yes, Utah.  Level 3 and others.
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 Mike,

 Excuse me for being dumb here, but you had restrictions on your post: The 
 requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.

 Chuck is quoting maybe...something different. I know he is not in LATA 
 358. And I would most definatley bet he is not using ATT as an ILEC(since 
 he is one).

 Are you guys comparing apples to apples?

 Scottie


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 Date:  Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:01:19 -0500

Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is?


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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing.  We have 
 BW
 from $6 to $14/meg in this area.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal


 While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on 
 bandwidth.

 The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC.
 If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to
 say
 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN.

 There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k
 for
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[WISPA] Cat5/PoE grounding on tower

2008-07-24 Thread Mark Nash
We're installing our equipment on a new tower that is very nice  clean.  There 
are several providers in the building, and installation is professional.  All 
coax is installed using the proper waveguide brackets, standoffs, etc.  

All coaxes are grounded before  after they enter the building.  The problem is 
that I want to use PoE instead of coax up the tower.  I'm looking for a 
recommendation on what products and/or techniques to use to accomplish this...  
There will be an outdoor box on the walking platform where we will install our 
equipment, and about 6 cat5's going up the tower to that box, then into the 
building at the base.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread charles
I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon. 

Clec is all the upstarts. 

Though I could be missing something here. 


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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
I think we should give Jeff some credit...he is sorta trolling...but at least 
he is giving us the information we need! I respect that when I am looking at 
3.65 stuff. I have not heard many other 3.65 MFG's chime in. I am really 
undecided in the matter...but a coexistent of MFG's would solve my dilemma 
really fast!

Scottie

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Also I forgot- frame size should be the same as well. For example, 10msec
frames vs 5msec 


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Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS
settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of
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John,

From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same 
GPS
sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be
timed together.  Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be
certified. 

Daniel White
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I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their
networks over the next 1-3 years.
Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do
the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with
each other all over the USA.
CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and
yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by

availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65
networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows
everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place

for this to happen.

Hurdles...
-CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices.
-Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with
competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set.
-Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each
other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this
does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the
3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between
base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing.

The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds.

Thanks,

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 Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the 
 average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP 
 market doesn't need, but really drives up the price (I think its 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I am an ILEC.
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I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon.

 Clec is all the upstarts.

 Though I could be missing something here.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
ATT, Verizon, and Qwest are RBOCs, a subset of ILECs (though the largest by 
far).  There are hundreds of ILECs out there.  There's more than 9 and less 
than...  50? ILECs in Illinois alone, with only 2 of them being RBOCs.


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I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon.

 Clec is all the upstarts.

 Though I could be missing something here.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Iowa used to have over 100 ILECs.  I think they still do.
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 ATT, Verizon, and Qwest are RBOCs, a subset of ILECs (though the largest 
 by
 far).  There are hundreds of ILECs out there.  There's more than 9 and 
 less
 than...  50? ILECs in Illinois alone, with only 2 of them being RBOCs.


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I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon.

 Clec is all the upstarts.

 Though I could be missing something here.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal

2008-07-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
This list shows 142 ILECs in Iowa alone.
http://www.yourclosestconnection.com/itc_list.asp

We have 13 in Utah.

Oregon has 30 ILECs.
http://www.ota-telecom.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1subarticlenbr=36


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 Iowa used to have over 100 ILECs.  I think they still do.
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 ATT, Verizon, and Qwest are RBOCs, a subset of ILECs (though the largest 
 by
 far).  There are hundreds of ILECs out there.  There's more than 9 and 
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I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon.

 Clec is all the upstarts.

 Though I could be missing something here.


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

2008-07-24 Thread tonylist
They are made by compex:
http://www.compex.com.sg/home/products1.asp?20070314532323


Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 



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Subject: [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW
High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080723/20080723006177.html?.v=1

I got a couple of these in my hands to sample yesterday. Haven't had a 
chance to experiment with them yet.

George
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[WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?

2008-07-24 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
I had a customer call.  She said she had some time so she was going to call
before her satellite guy was going to.   The customer has been installed for
a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on
channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system.  The satellite folks replaced the
dish, and head,  and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to the
side of their dish.  This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she
can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'.  Lets see, 2.4Ghz
and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv.  don't see where on the RF front there
is a remote possibility of interference.  The coax goes around the house,
our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace.  Anyone ever have these kinds of issues?
The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the
house for free?  Any suggestions?

Thank you kindly,
Marshall



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Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?

2008-07-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi,

We have had to deal with this several times over the years. If you can 
go to their house, see the bad picture, unplug their equipment and it 
goes away, then it's your problem. Just re-mount the radio farther away 
and keep the customer happy.

Travis
Microserv

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
 I had a customer call.  She said she had some time so she was going to call
 before her satellite guy was going to.   The customer has been installed for
 a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on
 channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system.  The satellite folks replaced the
 dish, and head,  and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to the
 side of their dish.  This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she
 can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'.  Lets see, 2.4Ghz
 and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv.  don't see where on the RF front there
 is a remote possibility of interference.  The coax goes around the house,
 our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace.  Anyone ever have these kinds of issues?
 The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the
 house for free?  Any suggestions?

 Thank you kindly,
 Marshall


 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

2008-07-24 Thread George Miller
Just as many of our items, Compex does make them for us.  And, as with our
other hardware items we work with Compex on, they are ours exclusively.

These are impressive radios.

George

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first
1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

They are made by compex:
http://www.compex.com.sg/home/products1.asp?20070314532323


Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of George Rogato
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org  wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW
High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080723/20080723006177.html?.v=1

I got a couple of these in my hands to sample yesterday. Haven't had a 
chance to experiment with them yet.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?

2008-07-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've seen that happen.  Move your gear at least 6' from the dish and it 
should go away.  I never mount closer than 6, preferably 10, feet from them 
anymore.

Crappy receivers I think.  Poor oob filtering.
marlon

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I had a customer call.  She said she had some time so she was going to call
 before her satellite guy was going to.   The customer has been installed 
 for
 a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on
 channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system.  The satellite folks replaced the
 dish, and head,  and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to 
 the
 side of their dish.  This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she
 can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'.  Lets see, 2.4Ghz
 and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv.  don't see where on the RF front there
 is a remote possibility of interference.  The coax goes around the house,
 our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace.  Anyone ever have these kinds of 
 issues?
 The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the
 house for free?  Any suggestions?

 Thank you kindly,
 Marshall


 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISP] I told you guys

2008-07-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Nice job on the inclusion on that page Mike.
marlon

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  Hopefully, you're there already. If not, get in there soon.



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