Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Jim, (jeffco)

you might think about a fabric cover, stretched over a frame. EG,the frabric 
'radomes' on large paraboloids, 6-10'. Not so much inuse today. They are almost 
bullet-proof, can be made to look likealmost anything - synthetic, and light 
weight. Wind loading willbe an issue. Not to mention installation.

We employed this tech. in a similar situation, albeit many yearsago. to extend 
a penthouse vertically 15'. From the groundyou couldn't tell the difference.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

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-Original Message-
From: Jim Patient [mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 04:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] metal building install

I don't have a picture handy. There isn't much to see though. It is just a 
plain stainless steel wall at the areas the antennas are going. Jim3-dB 
Networks wrote: Can you provide a picture of the building? Daniel White 
3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Jim Patient Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General 
List Subject: [WISPA] metal building install We have a project to install 
5GHz sectors on a large beautiful building  that has brushed stainless 
sheeting on the sides. The antennas must be  installed on the outside walls 
and cannot be higher than the sides.  They want the antennas to be hidden or 
as non-obtrusive as possible.  Anyone got any ideas on how to cover, hide, or 
camouflage the  antennas? There will be 3 sectors on each side.  If anyone 
has done something like this and would care to share pictures,  that would
  be great. Jim 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, Chuck has it. 

A similar system can be found at http://parts.valmont.com -(maintenance/saftey) 
Tuf-Tug Saftey-climb cable system. Midwest - 877-467-4763. Valmont now owns 
Pirod Microflect. They are not cheap, but its the real tower materials.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. 
I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with 
small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that 
would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would 
engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system.- 
Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: 
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PMSubject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage 
(was Re: Tower accident) That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall 
basically you should only  be leaning back on the cage. You technically 
shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB 
Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:
  [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when 
you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a 
safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem 
great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems 
like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while 
climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing 
something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I 
have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the 
ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg 
that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light 
harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). 
Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? 
 
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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah.  How do you run poe over the fiber?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


 Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question?

 Greg

 On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 Thanks Mike,

 The change to 10 meg half doesn't help.  In fact, most devices won't
 connect
 at all then.

 The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by
 this!  ug

 I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help.  Apryl can get
 you the
 contact info and part number.  509.982.2181

 The shielded cable from Shierene just came in.  And I have
 permission to
 move to the other side of the building.  When the snow melts and the
 ground
 firms up I'll rebuild the entire site.  The radio station has a new
 transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant
 recently
 left.  I have more location options now than I did before.

 Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX.  It's a crazy meter.
 Checks
 just about everything.  As it well should for $7000.  Know what it
 doesn't
 check very well though?  Inductive RF.  gr  There is one test that
 showed some problems though.  It's called an inductive pulse.
 Readings at
 another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0.
 This tower
 had a reading of nearly 3000!  Fluke is supposed to find out
 what an
 acceptable level would be and send that info to me.  I've not heard
 from
 them yet though.  The tech's guess was around 30mV.

 I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter
 (one
 end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was
 picking up 2
 to 3 volts on each pin.  That pretty well seems to line up with the
 3000mV
 reading from the fluke!

 This site has always been a source of grief for me.  Must less
 reliable than
 nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used.  I always
 thought
 it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been
 fined by
 the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things.  Though
 nothing
 THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer.  I always thought it was
 something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that
 on the
 analyzer either though).  Maybe my problem has always been the radio
 station
 stuff.  Wouldn't that be great?  FINALLY, a network reliable enough
 to allow
 me to take a vacation.  grin

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Cowan ispwireless-li...@wirelessconnections.net
 To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM
 Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


 Hi Marlon,

 It looks like you are on your way to solving this.  To get by until
 then you
 might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex.  FM
 radio
 runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet
 connection, it communicates at 10mhz.  10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I
 believe.
 Fixing it is really black magic however.  Sometimes grounding helps,
 sometimes it is better without.  Many have placed the cable in
 conduit, with
 mixed success.  I would be very interested if the ferits help, we
 have tried
 a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit
 to test
 with either.

 Mike

 Mike Cowan
 Wireless Connections
 A Division of ACC
 166 Milan Ave
 Norwalk, OH 44857
 419-660-6100
 419-706-7348 Cell
 419-668-4077 Fax
 mi...@wirelessconnections.net
 www.wirelessconnections.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM
 To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

 Hi All,

 I think we finally have this all figured out.  Now I just have to
 figure out

 how to fix it.


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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-10 Thread Travis Johnson




You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data.
We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our
FM repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to
handle fiber already, so it was pretty easy).

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  Yeah.  How do you run poe over the fiber?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


  
  
Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question?

Greg

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:



  Thanks Mike,

The change to 10 meg half doesn't help.  In fact, most devices won't
connect
at all then.

The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by
this!  ug

I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help.  Apryl can get
you the
contact info and part number.  509.982.2181

The shielded cable from Shierene just came in.  And I have
permission to
move to the other side of the building.  When the snow melts and the
ground
firms up I'll rebuild the entire site.  The radio station has a new
transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant
recently
left.  I have more location options now than I did before.

Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX.  It's a crazy meter.
Checks
just about everything.  As it well should for $7000.  Know what it
doesn't
check very well though?  Inductive RF.  gr  There is one test that
showed some problems though.  It's called an inductive pulse.
Readings at
another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0.
This tower
had a reading of nearly 3000!  Fluke is supposed to find out
what an
acceptable level would be and send that info to me.  I've not heard
from
them yet though.  The tech's guess was around 30mV.

I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter
(one
end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was
picking up 2
to 3 volts on each pin.  That pretty well seems to line up with the
3000mV
reading from the fluke!

This site has always been a source of grief for me.  Must less
reliable than
nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used.  I always
thought
it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been
fined by
the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things.  Though
nothing
THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer.  I always thought it was
something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that
on the
analyzer either though).  Maybe my problem has always been the radio
station
stuff.  Wouldn't that be great?  FINALLY, a network reliable enough
to allow
me to take a vacation.  grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Cowan" ispwireless-li...@wirelessconnections.net
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


Hi Marlon,

It looks like you are on your way to solving this.  To get by until
then you
might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex.  FM
radio
runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet
connection, it communicates at 10mhz.  10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I
believe.
Fixing it is really black magic however.  Sometimes grounding helps,
sometimes it is better without.  Many have placed the cable in
conduit, with
mixed success.  I would be very interested if the ferits help, we
have tried
a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit
to test
with either.

Mike

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH 44857
419-660-6100
419-706-7348 Cell
419-668-4077 Fax
mi...@wirelessconnections.net
www.wirelessconnections.net

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

Hi All,

I think we finally have this all figured out.  Now I just have to
figure out

how to fix it.


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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
hmmm, I guess if it comes to that
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


  You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We 
just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. 
Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so 
it was pretty easy).

  Travis
  Microserv

  Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 
Yeah.  How do you run poe over the fiber?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


  Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question?

Greg

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Thanks Mike,

The change to 10 meg half doesn't help.  In fact, most devices won't
connect
at all then.

The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by
this!  ug

I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help.  Apryl can get
you the
contact info and part number.  509.982.2181

The shielded cable from Shierene just came in.  And I have
permission to
move to the other side of the building.  When the snow melts and the
ground
firms up I'll rebuild the entire site.  The radio station has a new
transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant
recently
left.  I have more location options now than I did before.

Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX.  It's a crazy meter.
Checks
just about everything.  As it well should for $7000.  Know what it
doesn't
check very well though?  Inductive RF.  gr  There is one test that
showed some problems though.  It's called an inductive pulse.
Readings at
another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0.
This tower
had a reading of nearly 3000!  Fluke is supposed to find out
what an
acceptable level would be and send that info to me.  I've not heard
from
them yet though.  The tech's guess was around 30mV.

I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter
(one
end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was
picking up 2
to 3 volts on each pin.  That pretty well seems to line up with the
3000mV
reading from the fluke!

This site has always been a source of grief for me.  Must less
reliable than
nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used.  I always
thought
it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been
fined by
the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things.  Though
nothing
THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer.  I always thought it was
something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that
on the
analyzer either though).  Maybe my problem has always been the radio
station
stuff.  Wouldn't that be great?  FINALLY, a network reliable enough
to allow
me to take a vacation.  grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mike Cowan ispwireless-li...@wirelessconnections.net
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


Hi Marlon,

It looks like you are on your way to solving this.  To get by until
then you
might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex.  FM
radio
runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet
connection, it communicates at 10mhz.  10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I
believe.
Fixing it is really black magic however.  Sometimes grounding helps,
sometimes it is better without.  Many have placed the cable in
conduit, with
mixed success.  I would be very interested if the ferits help, we
have tried
a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit
to test
with either.

Mike

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH 44857
419-660-6100
419-706-7348 Cell
419-668-4077 Fax
mi...@wirelessconnections.net
www.wirelessconnections.net

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Cc: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

Hi All,

I think we finally have this all figured out.  Now I just have to
figure out

how to fix it.


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[WISPA] Personalized Web Toolbar

2009-01-10 Thread Joe Miller
Hi all...I'm working on a WISP toolbar for my customers. It can be found at 
http://DSLbyAir.OurToolbar.com The source for this is at http://www.conduit.com 
I can sure use some input on this before it goes live to my customers. It is 
similar to the Google and Yahoo toolbars. It can also be easily uninstalled too.

I'm trying to come up with marketing ideas to increase revenue.

Please download it and tell me what you think about it.



  



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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

2009-01-10 Thread eje
There are fiber cables that comes with built in low voltage wires for poe 
applications. 
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:14:44 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


hmmm, I guess if it comes to that
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


  You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data. We 
just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM repeater. 
Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle fiber already, so 
it was pretty easy).

  Travis
  Microserv

  Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 
Yeah.  How do you run poe over the fiber?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


  Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question?

Greg

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Thanks Mike,

The change to 10 meg half doesn't help.  In fact, most devices won't
connect
at all then.

The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most effected by
this!  ug

I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help.  Apryl can get
you the
contact info and part number.  509.982.2181

The shielded cable from Shierene just came in.  And I have
permission to
move to the other side of the building.  When the snow melts and the
ground
firms up I'll rebuild the entire site.  The radio station has a new
transmitter since I first went into the site and another tenant
recently
left.  I have more location options now than I did before.

Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX.  It's a crazy meter.
Checks
just about everything.  As it well should for $7000.  Know what it
doesn't
check very well though?  Inductive RF.  gr  There is one test that
showed some problems though.  It's called an inductive pulse.
Readings at
another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke) were 0.
This tower
had a reading of nearly 3000!  Fluke is supposed to find out
what an
acceptable level would be and send that info to me.  I've not heard
from
them yet though.  The tech's guess was around 30mV.

I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with a volt meter
(one
end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5) I was
picking up 2
to 3 volts on each pin.  That pretty well seems to line up with the
3000mV
reading from the fluke!

This site has always been a source of grief for me.  Must less
reliable than
nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is used.  I always
thought
it was due to all of the other operators in the area (one's been
fined by
the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things.  Though
nothing
THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer.  I always thought it was
something that only the customer end could see (couldn't find that
on the
analyzer either though).  Maybe my problem has always been the radio
station
stuff.  Wouldn't that be great?  FINALLY, a network reliable enough
to allow
me to take a vacation.  grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mike Cowan ispwireless-li...@wirelessconnections.net
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness


Hi Marlon,

It looks like you are on your way to solving this.  To get by until
then you
might want to try locking the Ethernet side to 10MB 1/2 duplex.  FM
radio
runs around 100mhz at high power levels, well so does a 100MB Ethernet
connection, it communicates at 10mhz.  10MB 1/2 runs at 66mhz I
believe.
Fixing it is really black magic however.  Sometimes grounding helps,
sometimes it is better without.  Many have placed the cable in
conduit, with
mixed success.  I would be very interested if the ferits help, we
have tried
a few with inconclusive results, but have not found a quality unit
to test
with either.

Mike

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
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-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:47 AM
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Hi All,

I think we finally have this all figured out.  Now I just have to
figure out

how to fix it.


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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

2009-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
The question that first comes to mind is Who would want to trust a 
26mile link to a sub $100 radio?
However, I agree, it will be an interesting test.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations


I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to
 replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2'
 dishes.   That should be an interesting test.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Matt wrote:
 Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA

 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge.  Old Proxim
 gear, 2 x T1.  I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they
 are using.  I need to keep it under $5K if possible.

 Link distance: 8.3 miles

 Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA


 http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php

 At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat.  Have a
 couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet.

 Matt


 
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