Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
You should never power up any of the cards without a load even for a few seconds. I bet all of us have done that by mistake more times than one but all of the higher power cards can burn out quickly under the right conditions. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the card. It's TX power is extremely low now. Just a warning. I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology wrote: > Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. > It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. > If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and > the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the > upper right. > I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then > connect to J3. > > > David E. Smith wrote: > > Data Technology wrote: > > > >> Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. > >> Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when > >> I bought the card. > >> I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to > >> the same setting. > >> > > > > Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G > > and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific > > options will just disappear. > > > > (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is > > identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Data Technology > > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
Some of our voip works well on wifi, other towers it doesn't. Mostly we try to make sure that people use our voip vs. vonage or something like that. If it's a business we try to get them on some higher end services of ours, anything but wifi. That works really well! marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Carullo" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? >I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it > to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > Original Message >> From: "Layne Sisk" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? >> >> We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to >> the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built >> into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried >> shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really >> is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if >> you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. >> >> -Layne >> >> Layne Sisk >> ServerPlus >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of pat >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? >> >> I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for >> information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info >> with me I would appreciate it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
I will try that. The link is clear. One end atop a 12-story building. The other end is on the side of a house. Elevation at the building is about 6200', house is probably around 9000' On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Mike wrote: > 6 dB difference at the ends? It sounds like the weaker link might be > seeing an incidental signal from a reflection source. Have you tried > setting the link to 20 MHz or 10 MHz channels? If it is severe > multipath a minor change in height may make a big difference. Water > tower or big steel building close to the link? > > At 01:41 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote: > >Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" > but > >changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > >difference. > > > >Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. > >Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > >"professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites > >without issue. > > > >The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up > >on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to > >the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really > >odd. > > > >lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > > >Jayson > > > >On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > > > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, > and > > > using > > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > > tested. > > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM > says) > > > gets > > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance > shroud. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the card. It's TX power is extremely low now. Just a warning. I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology wrote: > Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. > It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. > If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and > the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the > upper right. > I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then > connect to J3. > > > David E. Smith wrote: > > Data Technology wrote: > > > >> Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. > >> Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when > >> I bought the card. > >> I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to > >> the same setting. > >> > > > > Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G > > and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific > > options will just disappear. > > > > (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is > > identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Data Technology > > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Kahn was trial/shareware. They used your windows key to generate their 21 day key. They used a IRC interface for the chat room. I spent a lot of time on both the IRC room and playing Warcraft I/II & Decent and DukeNukem...Mmmm Bubblegum =) On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: > Kahn was another one. I believe Kali you had to pay for where-as Kahn > was free. I played many rounds of Descent/Descent II across those. > > Adam Kennedy > Senior Network Administrator > Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. > Phone: (888) 293-3693 > Fax: (574) 855-5761 > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:43 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > Kali - thank you. I will be sane another day. > > On 10/5/09, David E. Smith wrote: >> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please > remind >>> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! >> >> If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For >> things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi > does >> a passable job of IPX passthrough. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > > Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I > am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? > > Some possibilities: > Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or > otherwise gone? > Is it competition? If so, how specifically. > Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits > (e.g. health insurance)? > Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? > Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus > application that would include your market? > Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to > deliver what you need to compete? > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
6 dB difference at the ends? It sounds like the weaker link might be seeing an incidental signal from a reflection source. Have you tried setting the link to 20 MHz or 10 MHz channels? If it is severe multipath a minor change in height may make a big difference. Water tower or big steel building close to the link? At 01:41 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote: >Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" but >changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no >difference. > >Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. >Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said >"professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites >without issue. > >The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up >on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to >the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really >odd. > >lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > >Jayson > >On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and > > using > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > tested. > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) > > gets > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the upper right. I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then connect to J3. David E. Smith wrote: > Data Technology wrote: > >> Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. >> Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when >> I bought the card. >> I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to >> the same setting. >> > > Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G > and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific > options will just disappear. > > (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is > identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Data Technology > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
Data Technology wrote: > Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. > Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when > I bought the card. > I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to > the same setting. Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific options will just disappear. (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
I am using an R52N card for the first time. Does chain 0 go with J2 connector and chain 1 go with J3 connector? The docs on the card does not state which connector is which. Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when I bought the card. I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to the same setting. Thanks, LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Only flipped pol on ONE end. Nobody at the other end to flip. It does make a difference on that chain, but not overall. Meaning... If chain 0 is enabled, signal is -80, I flip polarity then I get nothing unless I enable chain 1. Makes sense what you're saying about the alignment. I've tried going waaay up and wy down, thinking maybe where I'm at is just a strong lobe. No difference. If I go more than about 2 degrees off, the signal gets so low that it will never connect. Moving the dish slowly (or using the secur-align bolt) is the same. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > Tried flip pol on just one end instead of on both at the same time? > > On the tilt sounds like your hitting strong side lobes which sometimes can > give better gain the main but the side lobes are usually very narrow so > little movement can change signal a lot. > Consider the antenna probably has a 6 deg beam that means 8/2 is just the > edge. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Jayson Baker > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:09:55 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > We switched the polarity -- made no difference at all. > > Just scanning for other radios in the area (or at the same site) the > signals > look a little low too. > > Pigtails are from different shipments about 2 years apart on either end. > But the jumper cables are the same. I wonder if we got a bad batch of > cables. > > But then... that doesn't explain the weird alignment. > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman >wrote: > > > Or polarity... > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jerry Richardson > > wrote: > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish > > alignment. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > > > MT R52N > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > What radios? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > > > > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't > "matter" > > > but > > > > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, > no > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' > > long. > > > > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > > > > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other > > > sites > > > > without issue. > > > > > > > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw > that > > > up > > > > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is > related > > > to > > > > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems > > really > > > > odd. > > > > > > > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is > up. > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down > tilt, > > > and > > > > > using > > > > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are > new, > > > > > tested. > > > > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM > > > says) > > > > > gets > > > > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance > > > shroud. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > > > h
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Tried flip pol on just one end instead of on both at the same time? On the tilt sounds like your hitting strong side lobes which sometimes can give better gain the main but the side lobes are usually very narrow so little movement can change signal a lot. Consider the antenna probably has a 6 deg beam that means 8/2 is just the edge. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:09:55 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy We switched the polarity -- made no difference at all. Just scanning for other radios in the area (or at the same site) the signals look a little low too. Pigtails are from different shipments about 2 years apart on either end. But the jumper cables are the same. I wonder if we got a bad batch of cables. But then... that doesn't explain the weird alignment. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Or polarity... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jerry Richardson > wrote: > > > Mystery > > > > 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish > alignment. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > MT R52N > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson > > wrote: > > > > > What radios? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" > > but > > > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > > > difference. > > > > > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' > long. > > > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > > > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other > > sites > > > without issue. > > > > > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that > > up > > > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related > > to > > > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems > really > > > odd. > > > > > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby > > wrote: > > > > > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, > > and > > > > using > > > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > > > tested. > > > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM > > says) > > > > gets > > > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance > > shroud. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipe
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
We switched the polarity -- made no difference at all. Just scanning for other radios in the area (or at the same site) the signals look a little low too. Pigtails are from different shipments about 2 years apart on either end. But the jumper cables are the same. I wonder if we got a bad batch of cables. But then... that doesn't explain the weird alignment. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Or polarity... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jerry Richardson > wrote: > > > Mystery > > > > 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish > alignment. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > MT R52N > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson > > wrote: > > > > > What radios? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" > > but > > > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > > > difference. > > > > > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' > long. > > > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > > > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other > > sites > > > without issue. > > > > > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that > > up > > > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related > > to > > > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems > really > > > odd. > > > > > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby > > wrote: > > > > > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, > > and > > > > using > > > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > > > tested. > > > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM > > says) > > > > gets > > > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance > > shroud. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Or polarity... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Mystery > > 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish alignment. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > MT R52N > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson > wrote: > > > What radios? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" > but > > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > > difference. > > > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. > > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other > sites > > without issue. > > > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that > up > > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related > to > > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really > > odd. > > > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > > > Jayson > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby > wrote: > > > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, > and > > > using > > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > > tested. > > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM > says) > > > gets > > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance > shroud. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.or
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Mystery 30dB is a lot to lose. I would suspect a feed horn issue or dish alignment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy MT R52N On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > What radios? > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" but > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > difference. > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites > without issue. > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really > odd. > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > Jayson > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and > > using > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > tested. > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) > > gets > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
MT R52N On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > What radios? > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy > > Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" but > changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no > difference. > > Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. > Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said > "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites > without issue. > > The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up > on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to > the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really > odd. > > lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. > > Jayson > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > > > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and > > using > > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > > tested. > > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) > > gets > > > almost no signal at all. > > > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
What radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" but changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no difference. Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites without issue. The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really odd. lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. Jayson On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and > using > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > tested. > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) > gets > > almost no signal at all. > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't "matter" but changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no difference. Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said "professionally assembled and tested" - we've used the same on other sites without issue. The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really odd. lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. Jayson On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > I assume you checked for reverse polarization? > > > > Jayson Baker wrote: > > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and > using > > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, > tested. > > Radios are new, tested. > > > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) > gets > > almost no signal at all. > > > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Doubt the antenna itself is bad. Many DP feeds have no electronics in them just the connectors and a open air column so depending on type of feed I doubt it is the feed itself. My guess is it's more of a incorrect installed feed than anything. On the cabling have you had it tested for 5GHz operations? I ran across many cables and connectors that are not and each connector might cause 2-3dB signal loss easily and possibly even more the twice expected cable loss on the cabling. You say that cables and pigtails been tested just not how. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jayson Baker Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy Sent: Oct 7, 2009 13:08 Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using the WB dishes see -59dBm. We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, tested. Radios are new, tested. WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) gets almost no signal at all. One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
I assume you checked for reverse polarization? Jayson Baker wrote: > Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. > > RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using > the WB dishes see -59dBm. > > We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. > > Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, tested. > Radios are new, tested. > > WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. > On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. > Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) gets > almost no signal at all. > > One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. > > Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? > > Jayson > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using the WB dishes see -59dBm. We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, tested. Radios are new, tested. WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) gets almost no signal at all. One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT channels
Mikrotik added it in 4.0beta4.. 4.0rc1 is out now too btw.. Gerard Mike wrote: > v4.0beta3 > > At 10:23 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote: >> Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] MT channels >> >> OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I >> have become an MT student. I bought some equipment and have been >> teaching myself. >> >> Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels? I can pick >> a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT channels
v4.0beta3 At 10:23 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote: >Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. > >Bob- > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mike >Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] MT channels > >OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I >have become an MT student. I bought some equipment and have been >teaching myself. > >Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels? I can pick >a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N. > >Thanks, > >Mike > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT channels
Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT channels OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I have become an MT student. I bought some equipment and have been teaching myself. Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels? I can pick a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N. Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT channels
OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I have become an MT student. I bought some equipment and have been teaching myself. Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels? I can pick a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N. Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
