Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread MDK
That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

Just like REAL health care.
Just like REAL education.
Just like REAL science.

Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise 
thinking on this list.I have learned.

All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the 
expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend 7 
times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in 
one package.



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From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

  http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx 

 The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President 
 Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband 
 access, according to a new study from Insight Research.

 Scottie

 Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as 
 $30.00/mth.
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Mike Hammett
He probably means through the automation a good system provides.


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

 Payroll costs?

 On 12/12/09, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote:
There are a lot of compelling reasons to change unless you aren't in
 business to make money.  Having a good  billing system saves  in 
 payroll
 costs.


 David

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out
 the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system
 to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay
 does not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
 change.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors


  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
 business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Chuck Hogg
We are not using IPPay yet, however we are custom building a
billing/administrative system specifically geared tower our business
directly, and not something we would have to modify.  When that is
completed, we will move to IPPay.  The analysis Matt showed us would
save something like $600/mth.  We have a lot of people using reward
cards with us, and it is getting billed at 4.7%, non-rewards at 2%.
IPPay offered a flat rate across the board.  Just too much trouble to
switch right now.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

   There are a lot of compelling reasons to change unless you aren't in
business to make money.  Having a good  billing system saves  in
payroll
costs.


David  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out
 the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system
 to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay
 does not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.
 
 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent
to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
 change.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 
  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
 business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Chuck Hogg
TOWARD, not tower.  I was out late last night and haven't had my
coffee yet.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

We are not using IPPay yet, however we are custom building a
billing/administrative system specifically geared tower our business
directly, and not something we would have to modify.  When that is
completed, we will move to IPPay.  The analysis Matt showed us would
save something like $600/mth.  We have a lot of people using reward
cards with us, and it is getting billed at 4.7%, non-rewards at 2%.
IPPay offered a flat rate across the board.  Just too much trouble to
switch right now.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

   There are a lot of compelling reasons to change unless you aren't in
business to make money.  Having a good  billing system saves  in
payroll
costs.


David  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out
 the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system
 to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay
 does not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.
 
 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent
to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
 change.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 
  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
 business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Robert West
 
  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
  740-335-7020
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
thinking on this list. :)
Not all here think the government is the answer.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend 7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in
 one package.



 --
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx 
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
We get our money in two days from authorize. -RickG

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business
 days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
 authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Quickbooks is great!

Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new expiration
date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or you are
subject to dispute. True of false?
-RickG

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay does
 not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to change.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors


  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Robert West
 
  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
  740-335-7020
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
continue charging without updating information for companies just like
us.

On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Quickbooks is great!

 Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new expiration
 date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or you are
 subject to dispute. True of false?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay does
 not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to change.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors


  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Robert West
 
  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
  740-335-7020
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
42 is the answer.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
thinking on this list. :)
Not all here think the government is the answer.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend
7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in
 one package.



 --
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx 
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
  Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread MDK
You are correct.   my apologies to those misrepresented.

I don't mean to say everyone's in agreement on anything.Just that I see 
this everywhere.   NOt by everyone, just that it pervades almost everything 
in life.

I still don't know who has these experiences that so amazes them at the 
competence of government.

I'd just like to know what it is I've never seen that's so widespread )



--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:00 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
 Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
 Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
 thinking on this list. :)
 Not all here think the government is the answer.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend 
 7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in
 one package.



 --
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx 
   
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
  Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Tim Sylvester
Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
this list by people who ...

- sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
them by the FCC for free or low cost.
- sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
- drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
government.
- sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
government subsidies per year.
- connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
Electric Administration.
- use VA health services.
- will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
- call the police and fire department when they need help.
- send their kids to public schools.

Amazing.

Tim




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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
You have somehow eluded having the government mind control chips inserted
into your brain.  We are sending our agents over right now, you cannot hide.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

You are correct.   my apologies to those misrepresented.

I don't mean to say everyone's in agreement on anything.Just that I see 
this everywhere.   NOt by everyone, just that it pervades almost everything 
in life.

I still don't know who has these experiences that so amazes them at the 
competence of government.

I'd just like to know what it is I've never seen that's so widespread )



--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:00 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
 Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
 Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
 thinking on this list. :)
 Not all here think the government is the answer.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend

 7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in
 one package.



 --
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx 
   
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
  Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Brad Belton
No, what's really amazing is people think the Government pays for these
services from a bottomless pot of money.  When in fact that pot of money is
funded dearly with the blood, sweat and tears from you, me and the rest of
the USA citizens.

The only positive in all this is Americans are starting to wake up, put
their foot down and say no more!  Hopefully it isn't too late, but we do
have a chance to vote any and all the spending freak incumbents out of
office next year.


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
this list by people who ...

- sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
them by the FCC for free or low cost.
- sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
- drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
government.
- sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
government subsidies per year.
- connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
Electric Administration.
- use VA health services.
- will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
- call the police and fire department when they need help.
- send their kids to public schools.

Amazing.

Tim





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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax
payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies are
being used for? 

Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor job in
managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This year
education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay
government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to
payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH). 

Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the
government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others might
want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter. 

/ Eje 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
this list by people who ...

- sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
them by the FCC for free or low cost.
- sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
- drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
government.
- sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
government subsidies per year.
- connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
Electric Administration.
- use VA health services.
- will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
- call the police and fire department when they need help.
- send their kids to public schools.

Amazing.

Tim





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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
I'm speaking from experience :)
Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
and add two years - wella, it works again!
I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
expired date.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
 change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
 continue charging without updating information for companies just like
 us.

 On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  Quickbooks is great!
 
  Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new expiration
  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or you
 are
  subject to dispute. True of false?
  -RickG
 
  On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out
 the
  right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
  But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system
 to
  integrate with them.
  We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay does
  not
  integrate with Quickbook's billing.
 
  PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent to
  change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
 change.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 
   IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
 business
   days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
  
   Travis
   Microserv
  
   Robert West wrote:
   Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
  death
   with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
   authorize.net?
  
  
  
   Bob-
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote:

 Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
 this list by people who ...

 - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
 them by the FCC for free or low cost.


Since I'm included in everyone its my right to provide the service to
everyone else.


 - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
 DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.


And they used my tax dollars to do so.


 - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
 government.


Again, my tax dollars.


 - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
 government subsidies per year.


And thats a bad deal.


 - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
 Electric Administration.


Another bad deal.


 - use VA health services.


Not I.


 - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.


I'm not counting on it.


 - call the police and fire department when they need help.


I've never called them. Still my tax dollars.


 - send their kids to public schools.


Nope, not here.



 Amazing.

 Tim


I'd trade it all in a heartbeat if the government would reciprocate by
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none of
the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently but
I can't seem to locate it.

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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm speaking from experience :)
 Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
 and add two years - wella, it works again!
 I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
 expired date.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
  change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
  continue charging without updating information for companies just like
  us.
 
  On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
   Quickbooks is great!
  
   Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new
 expiration
   date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or you
  are
   subject to dispute. True of false?
   -RickG
  
   On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
   wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
  
   IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out
  the
   right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could.
   But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system
  to
   integrate with them.
   We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay
 does
   not
   integrate with Quickbook's billing.
  
   PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent
 to
   change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
  change.
  
   Tom DeReggi
   RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
   IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
  
  
IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
  business
days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
   
Travis
Microserv
   
Robert West wrote:
Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to
   death
with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
authorize.net?
   
   
   
Bob-
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
http://www.physorg.com/news178186859.html

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 You have somehow eluded having the government mind control chips inserted
 into your brain.  We are sending our agents over right now, you cannot
 hide.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of MDK
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 You are correct.   my apologies to those misrepresented.

 I don't mean to say everyone's in agreement on anything.Just that I see
 this everywhere.   NOt by everyone, just that it pervades almost everything
 in life.

 I still don't know who has these experiences that so amazes them at the
 competence of government.

 I'd just like to know what it is I've never seen that's so widespread )



 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

  Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
  Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
  Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
  thinking on this list. :)
  Not all here think the government is the answer.
  -RickG
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 
  That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.
 
  Just like REAL health care.
  Just like REAL education.
  Just like REAL science.
 
  Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
  thinking on this list.I have learned.
 
  All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
  expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and
 spend

  7
  times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all
 in
  one package.
 
 
 
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  From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
  Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
 
   
 http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx

  
   The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
   Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
   access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
  
   Scottie
  
   Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
   $30.00/mth.
   Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
  
  
  
 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Amen! http://www.usdebtclock.org/

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 No, what's really amazing is people think the Government pays for these
 services from a bottomless pot of money.  When in fact that pot of money is
 funded dearly with the blood, sweat and tears from you, me and the rest of
 the USA citizens.

 The only positive in all this is Americans are starting to wake up, put
 their foot down and say no more!  Hopefully it isn't too late, but we do
 have a chance to vote any and all the spending freak incumbents out of
 office next year.


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
 this list by people who ...

 - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
 them by the FCC for free or low cost.
 - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
 DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
 - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
 government.
 - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
 government subsidies per year.
 - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
 Electric Administration.
 - use VA health services.
 - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
 - call the police and fire department when they need help.
 - send their kids to public schools.

 Amazing.

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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
This is what amazes me...

http://images.google.com/images?q=us%20debt%20graphoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Nhl=entab=wi

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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amen! http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

  No, what's really amazing is people think the Government pays for these
  services from a bottomless pot of money.  When in fact that pot of money
 is
  funded dearly with the blood, sweat and tears from you, me and the rest
 of
  the USA citizens.
 
  The only positive in all this is Americans are starting to wake up, put
  their foot down and say no more!  Hopefully it isn't too late, but we do
  have a chance to vote any and all the spending freak incumbents out of
  office next year.
 
 
  Brad
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
  Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
 
  Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
  this list by people who ...
 
  - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated
 to
  them by the FCC for free or low cost.
  - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed
 by
  DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
  - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
  government.
  - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions
 in
  government subsidies per year.
  - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the
 Rural
  Electric Administration.
  - use VA health services.
  - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
  - call the police and fire department when they need help.
  - send their kids to public schools.
 
  Amazing.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Tim Sylvester
Of course you can bitch and complain, but for someone who benefits from
government to state that the government has done nothing right and free
enterprise can solve all of the world's problems is ridiculous.

Tim

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
 
 And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The
 tax
 payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies
 are
 being used for?
 
 Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor
 job in
 managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This
 year
 education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay
 government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to
 payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH).
 
 Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the
 government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others
 might
 want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter.
 
 / Eje
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
 
 Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government
 on
 this list by people who ...
 
 - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and
 allocated to
 them by the FCC for free or low cost.
 - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and
 developed by
 DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
 - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
 government.
 - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions
 in
 government subsidies per year.
 - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the
 Rural
 Electric Administration.
 - use VA health services.
 - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
 - call the police and fire department when they need help.
 - send their kids to public schools.
 
 Amazing.
 
 Tim
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
I've seen that before, but that wasn't what I was looking for.

Either way, a charge back can happen no matter what - why would the
expiration be relevant?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
 charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I guess
 the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
 Visa's website. -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none
 of
  the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently
  but
  I can't seem to locate it.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I'm speaking from experience :)
   Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration
 date
   and add two years - wella, it works again!
   I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept
 an
   expired date.
   -RickG
  
   On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
  
I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
continue charging without updating information for companies just
 like
us.
   
On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Quickbooks is great!

 Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new
   expiration
 date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or
  you
are
 subject to dispute. True of false?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring
  out
the
 right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we
  could.
 But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing
  system
to
 integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood
 IPPay
   does
 not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still?
 Resistent
   to
 change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to
change.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors


  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
business
  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Robert West wrote:
  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and
 dimed
  to
 death
  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  authorize.net?
 
 
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
Truth is always stranger than fiction.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

http://www.physorg.com/news178186859.html

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 You have somehow eluded having the government mind control chips inserted
 into your brain.  We are sending our agents over right now, you cannot
 hide.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of MDK
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 You are correct.   my apologies to those misrepresented.

 I don't mean to say everyone's in agreement on anything.Just that I
see
 this everywhere.   NOt by everyone, just that it pervades almost
everything
 in life.

 I still don't know who has these experiences that so amazes them at the
 competence of government.

 I'd just like to know what it is I've never seen that's so widespread )



 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

  Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
  Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
  Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
  thinking on this list. :)
  Not all here think the government is the answer.
  -RickG
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 
  That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.
 
  Just like REAL health care.
  Just like REAL education.
  Just like REAL science.
 
  Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
  thinking on this list.I have learned.
 
  All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
  expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and
 spend

  7
  times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all
 in
  one package.
 
 
 
  --
  From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
  Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
 
   
 http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx

  
   The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by
President
   Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
   access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
  
   Scottie
  
   Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
   $30.00/mth.
   Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
  
  
  
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson




And when the chargeback comes through, you fax them the copy of your
internet service contract and their usage summary showing they owed and
paid for the bill as agreed.

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:

  My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I guess
the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
Visa's website. -RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  
  
Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none of
the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently
but
I can't seem to locate it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm speaking from experience :)
Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
and add two years - wella, it works again!
I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
expired date.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  
  
I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
continue charging without updating information for companies just like
us.

On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


  Quickbooks is great!

Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new
  

  
  expiration
  
  

  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or
  

  

you


  
are


  subject to dispute. True of false?
-RickG

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

  
  
IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring

  

  

out


  
the


  
right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we

  

  

could.


  

  
But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing

  

  

system


  
to


  
integrate with them.
We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay

  

  
  does
  
  

  
not
integrate with Quickbook's billing.

PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent

  

  
  to
  
  

  
change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to

  

change.


  
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors




  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2
  

  

business


  

  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

Travis
Microserv

Robert West wrote:
  
  
Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed

  

  

  

to


  

  
death


  
with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
authorize.net?



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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson




Wow in almost 10 years of using Authorize, we never got a dime in 2
days. I think the fastest we ever saw it actually hit our bank account
was 3 days, but most of the time it was 4 or 5 days.

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:

  We get our money in two days from authorize. -RickG

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  
  
IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business
days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

Travis
Microserv

Robert West wrote:


  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to death
with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
  

authorize.net?


  

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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Because once expired, Visa or Mastercard no longer must honor it. If a
chargeback happens, they may consider using an expired card as fraudulent
and deny your claim. This is just my more cautious nature coming out here.
Maybe your processor says no big deal. For me, Authorize.net said dont do
it.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I've seen that before, but that wasn't what I was looking for.

 Either way, a charge back can happen no matter what - why would the
 expiration be relevant?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

  My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
  charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I
 guess
  the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
  Visa's website. -RickG
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long
 none
  of
   the other information was changed.  I read something about this
 recently
   but
   I can't seem to locate it.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
   --- Albert Einstein
  
  
   On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  
I'm speaking from experience :)
Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration
  date
and add two years - wella, it works again!
I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept
  an
expired date.
-RickG
   
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
   
 I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
 change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
 continue charging without updating information for companies just
  like
 us.

 On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  Quickbooks is great!
 
  Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new
expiration
  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer
 or
   you
 are
  subject to dispute. True of false?
  -RickG
 
  On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like
 figuring
   out
 the
  right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we
   could.
  But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing
   system
 to
  integrate with them.
  We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood
  IPPay
does
  not
  integrate with Quickbook's billing.
 
  PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still?
  Resistent
to
  change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason
 to
 change.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
 
 
   IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in
 1-2
 business
   days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)
  
   Travis
   Microserv
  
   Robert West wrote:
   Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and
  dimed
   to
  death
   with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
   authorize.net?
  
  
  
   Bob-
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Robert West
  
   Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
  
   740-335-7020
  
  
  
  
  
  
 

   
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
But the issue is that they may consider using an expired card as fraudulent.
Remember, each credit card transaction has a bunch or legal rules and
regulations that come along with it. You know how it goes, do it right or it
may bite!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  And when the chargeback comes through, you fax them the copy of your
 internet service contract and their usage summary showing they owed and paid
 for the bill as agreed.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:

 My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
 charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I guess
 the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
 Visa's website. -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none of
 the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently
 but
 I can't seem to locate it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com 
 rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm speaking from experience :)
 Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
 and add two years - wella, it works again!
 I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
 expired date.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
 change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
 continue charging without updating information for companies just like
 us.

 On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


  Quickbooks is great!

 Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new


  expiration


  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or


   you


  are


  subject to dispute. True of false?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:



  IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring


   out


  the


  right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we


   could.


   But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing


   system


  to


  integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay


   does


   not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent


   to


   change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to


  change.


  Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors




  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2


   business


   days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Robert West wrote:


  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed


to


   death


  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work withauthorize.net?



 Bob-







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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Thats cause they liked your money more :)

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  Wow in almost 10 years of using Authorize, we never got a dime in 2
 days. I think the fastest we ever saw it actually hit our bank account was 3
 days, but most of the time it was 4 or 5 days.

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:

 We get our money in two days from authorize. -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net 
 t...@ida.net wrote:



  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business
 days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Robert West wrote:


  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to death
 with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with


  authorize.net?


  Bob-







 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

 740-335-7020








  
 


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have nanostation m5 in stock?

2009-12-13 Thread Jayson Baker
Sean at CTI probably has them.
svanwor...@cticonnect.com

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:29 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just need two.

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