Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Jeromie Reeves]

That will not make the link from the adapter to the radio gige capable
since the it will be putting out 24v on the power pins just like now.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> http://ubnt.com/8023af
> that should help
>
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>
> But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
> 1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
> but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
> To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
> 802.3af.
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I wanted to follow up on this.
>
> I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
>
> problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
>
> MikroTik.
>
> RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
>
> negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
>
> UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
>
> capable.
>
>
> Rubens
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Glenn Kelley]

http://ubnt.com/8023af

that should help 


On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

> But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
> 1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
> but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
> To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
> 802.3af.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>> I wanted to follow up on this.
>>> I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
>>> problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
>>> MikroTik.
>> 
>> RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
>> negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
>> UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
>> capable.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Philip Dorr]

But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
802.3af.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>> I wanted to follow up on this.
>> I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
>> problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
>> MikroTik.
>
> RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
> negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
> UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
> capable.
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[WISPA] Looks like there is a manufacturer real close to having radios for Whitespaces - just needs the database addition

[Brian Webster]

These guys have a software defined radio using Wimax 802.16e, that will go
from 40 MHz up to 958 with a channel width of up to 10 MHz. They admit that
even though the radio will go all over the spectrum you will still have to
deal with the antenna issue. They don't mention the database feature but
since it is a software based radio I can't imagine it will be too difficult
to fix that issue. It already has an integrated GPS in the base station.
This product really surprises me!

 

http://www.fullspectrumnet.com/fullmax-technology.html

http://www.fullspectrumnet.com/documents/FM_BS1000_Base_Station_Version_1.0_
c.pdf Base station

http://www.fullspectrumnet.com/documents/FM_MS4000_Mobile_Station_Version_1.
0_d.pdf Mobile unit

 

 



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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Rubens Kuhl]

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> I wanted to follow up on this.
> I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
> problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
> MikroTik.

RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
capable.


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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship bill

[Tom DeReggi]

Patrick,

Nice!

To other state's WISPs...
Reminder: a senator represents his constituents. We need each senator on the 
Judicial committee to be contacted, and it will help if the contact is from 
an ISP that is a constituent of that specific senator.

Both Email and Fax, since on such short notice, before the vote.

Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Shoemaker" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's 
DNScensorship bill


And here are mine, in case anyone wants to copy and modify:



Mr. Cardin:

I am writing as a Maryland resident, an Internet user, and the owner of
a Maryland-based Internet Service Provider that serves Maryland
businesses. I would like to voice my opposition to S. 3804, the
Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.

I realize that combating software piracy, copyright infringement, and
counterfeit material is an important goal given the increasing
prevalence of these nefarious activities in today's online world.
However, the methodology proposed in this act to fight these
disreputable activities is not aligned with the best interests of
Internet users and network operators worldwide. Of particular concern is
the proposed ability of the US government to make alterations to the
Internet's Domain Name System (DNS) in order to limit access to domains
that are deemed to be supporting copyright infringement, software
piracy, or other illegal activity.

Please consider the following when voting on S. 3804 tomorrow:

-Allowing government control of DNS adds a layer of censorship to the
Internet as a whole. The commercial and public success of the Internet
is based in no small part to its open nature. Adding government
censorship to a key component of the Internet goes against the
principles that led to its success.

-Implementing government-based DNS censorship will add significant
administrative burden to network operators. This will result in
increased cost to consumers for their residential Internet connections.
Additionally, this burden will be particularly onerous for smaller ISPs
that can't leverage the economies of scale that nationwide operators enjoy.

-Censoring the Internet's DNS will surely result in the development of
alternative name-resolution services that circumvent the goals of COICA.
This will not only negate the purpose of the act, but will add an
unnecessary layer of complexity to the Internet as a whole. The net
result will be decreased network reliability and increased cost.

I would encourage the Senate Judiciary Committee to pursue alternate
means to limit illegal Internet activity. Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems, LLC

http://www.vectordatasystems.com


On 9/28/2010 4:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> If anyone interested, these are my comments that I sent to my Maryland
> senator.
>
> Dear Senator,
>
> My understanding is that the Senate Judiciary Committee is currently
> considering the newly proposed Internet Censorship and Copyright bill. I
> am a Maryland ISP, and writing this letter to strongly appose this bill.
> Implementing this bill, would force Internet Access Providers to
> compromise their DNS (Domain Name System) to blacklist and censor
> Internet Domain Names. Such an act could destroy the USA’s dominant
> ownership and control position of the Internet, both in the US and World
> Wide, for numerous reasons.
>
> 1) If DNS censorship were to be implemented, the US would look like
> Hypocrite. How can we promote an open and free Internet, and then
> simultaneously mandate practices that do the opposite, and censor
> content and content providers.
>
> 2) ISPs are accountable and liable to their customers, both ethically
> and contractually. It is inappropriate for an ISP to block content or
> compromise their customer’s Internet experience, based on the claims
> made by third party blacklisting companies, because the ISP would have
> no reasonable way to verify the accuracy of the provided blacklist data.
> Simply asking ISPs to trust the data is inappropriate.
>
> 3) ISPs should not be forced to determine what is and what isn’t legal
> content. That is the job of the courts and/or trained law enforcement.
> Access Providers have systems in place to “pass data”, and in most cases
> are agnostic to the actual content that passes. In some cases, privacy
> policies prevent ISPs from even looking at it. It therefore is
> inappropriate for ISPs to be forced to blacklist domains in DNS, when
> they may not have a reasonable way to verify whether content is legal or
> not.
>
> 4) What’s most important is that we do not lose sight that we play in a
> GLOBAL market place, not only a US market place. The US currently has
> the majority market share of in Internet hosting collocation, and
> hosting Broadband traffic. This market share 

Re: [WISPA] 11GHz fade margin

[Tom DeReggi]

Marco,

In Maryland, to get 270mbps reliably, I try not to do any link in 11Ghz 
beyond 10 miles or so with 3ft dishes, to get 99.999%. Rain fade calculated 
at about 18db fade in that situation. But still, in heaviest rain, I dropped 
link a few times.

Obviously with lowest modulation, larger dishes, and lower 9 expectations, 
in dryer climates, you can go much much farther.
Using DragonWave's tool, with Greenville, TX rain data, 6ft dishes both 
sides, Highpower (19.5db), 40Mhz, model HC277, you show -42dbm with about a 
17.5db fade margin, listing 99.978% uptime. (Trango's APEX or GIGAPLUS 
probably does as far if not farther, I just didn't have the Trango tool 
handy while writing this)

My point here is, your link has 17db rain margin for a 27mile link in an 
area with a higher rain rate (I think around 66mm/hr), accomplishing a lower 
fade margin than I have for my 10 mile links here in Maryland where the rain 
rate might be around 48mm/hr.  So... same fade margin, but your link three 
times longer. Your link will likely drop much more frequently.  But will it? 
There is a misconception that a link three times longer could have three 
times the fade, which is not true, because the rain causing the fade rarely 
covers a wide area. For example, the rain storm might just be raining over 
one mile of the path, regardless of the length of the path. What is a 
critical factor is the direction of your link, and the likeliness of whether 
the Rain storm would just cross your link path once (moving perpandicular), 
or whether rain storm likely would travel along the path of your link in 
parallel. If the storm followed the path of your link, moving 1 mile at a 
time along the path from one end to the other, the duration in which the 
rain storm would effect your path would be much longer.  So not only is it 
useful to predict the heaviest rain and duration in an area, but also the 
directions storms likely move.

That was a mistake I made... I have a backhaul three cell sites in a row 10 
miles apart, and almost always when a storm comes through, it hits each and 
every one of the three tower one at a time after each other, as the storm 
migrates. Thus, if a storm causes an outage it causes it three times, once 
for each link it hits.  If my towers were aligned perpandicutlar, I'd have 
one third the amount of outages or downtime.

So yes, the 27mile link can be accomplished with 11Ghz. But yes, you will 
have some downtime, and you need to deside if that can be tolerated for the 
link's pupose. At Full modulation the tool says 728min of outages. You'll 
have to rely on adaptive modulation, and the lower modulations speeds during 
rain and fade. At 100mbps it has 37db fade margine, the downtime drops to 
only 40min/yr, (99.997%) which is way more acceptable.

You can do some calcs and see that if you changed the design to be three 19 
mile hops, and the uptime would go down to only 11 min/yr w/ adaptive 
modulation down to100mb. But then, you'd have 1/3 more expense.

I guess this boils down to whether your need of capacity versus uptime is 
more important. a 100mbps 5.8Ghz or 6Ghz link will have much better uptime 
at 27miles.
If you need higher capacity, then 11Ghz will give it to you, most of the 
time 99.97% of it, but you'll have some occassional down time.

What I'm learning is to both 1) trust the path calc tools, but 2) also to 
realize there are other factors that can degrade the real world results, and 
should look at the tool as being the best case.  Thinks that can contribute 
to worse are antennas that move, antennas that get misaligned, noise 
that develops, cables that fail, adaptive modulation or rebooting slow to 
respond, that could result in additional or premature downtime.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Marco Coelho" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 11GHz fade margin


> I'm looking at deploying some 11GHz gear.  I would like to do one path
> in two 27 Mile Hops.  Using 6' dishes I show a fade margin of 19db.
> Is this adequate for 11GHz at that rage?  At 5GHz - 6GHz, I would be
> fine with it.
>
> Is anyone else pushing 11GHz this far?
>
> -- 
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> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship bill

[Patrick Shoemaker]

And here are mine, in case anyone wants to copy and modify:



Mr. Cardin:

I am writing as a Maryland resident, an Internet user, and the owner of 
a Maryland-based Internet Service Provider that serves Maryland 
businesses. I would like to voice my opposition to S. 3804, the 
Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.

I realize that combating software piracy, copyright infringement, and 
counterfeit material is an important goal given the increasing 
prevalence of these nefarious activities in today's online world. 
However, the methodology proposed in this act to fight these 
disreputable activities is not aligned with the best interests of 
Internet users and network operators worldwide. Of particular concern is 
the proposed ability of the US government to make alterations to the 
Internet's Domain Name System (DNS) in order to limit access to domains 
that are deemed to be supporting copyright infringement, software 
piracy, or other illegal activity.

Please consider the following when voting on S. 3804 tomorrow:

-Allowing government control of DNS adds a layer of censorship to the 
Internet as a whole. The commercial and public success of the Internet 
is based in no small part to its open nature. Adding government 
censorship to a key component of the Internet goes against the 
principles that led to its success.

-Implementing government-based DNS censorship will add significant 
administrative burden to network operators. This will result in 
increased cost to consumers for their residential Internet connections. 
Additionally, this burden will be particularly onerous for smaller ISPs 
that can't leverage the economies of scale that nationwide operators enjoy.

-Censoring the Internet's DNS will surely result in the development of 
alternative name-resolution services that circumvent the goals of COICA. 
This will not only negate the purpose of the act, but will add an 
unnecessary layer of complexity to the Internet as a whole. The net 
result will be decreased network reliability and increased cost.

I would encourage the Senate Judiciary Committee to pursue alternate 
means to limit illegal Internet activity. Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems, LLC

http://www.vectordatasystems.com


On 9/28/2010 4:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> If anyone interested, these are my comments that I sent to my Maryland
> senator.
>
> Dear Senator,
>
> My understanding is that the Senate Judiciary Committee is currently
> considering the newly proposed Internet Censorship and Copyright bill. I
> am a Maryland ISP, and writing this letter to strongly appose this bill.
> Implementing this bill, would force Internet Access Providers to
> compromise their DNS (Domain Name System) to blacklist and censor
> Internet Domain Names. Such an act could destroy the USA’s dominant
> ownership and control position of the Internet, both in the US and World
> Wide, for numerous reasons.
>
> 1) If DNS censorship were to be implemented, the US would look like
> Hypocrite. How can we promote an open and free Internet, and then
> simultaneously mandate practices that do the opposite, and censor
> content and content providers.
>
> 2) ISPs are accountable and liable to their customers, both ethically
> and contractually. It is inappropriate for an ISP to block content or
> compromise their customer’s Internet experience, based on the claims
> made by third party blacklisting companies, because the ISP would have
> no reasonable way to verify the accuracy of the provided blacklist data.
> Simply asking ISPs to trust the data is inappropriate.
>
> 3) ISPs should not be forced to determine what is and what isn’t legal
> content. That is the job of the courts and/or trained law enforcement.
> Access Providers have systems in place to “pass data”, and in most cases
> are agnostic to the actual content that passes. In some cases, privacy
> policies prevent ISPs from even looking at it. It therefore is
> inappropriate for ISPs to be forced to blacklist domains in DNS, when
> they may not have a reasonable way to verify whether content is legal or
> not.
>
> 4) What’s most important is that we do not lose sight that we play in a
> GLOBAL market place, not only a US market place. The US currently has
> the majority market share of in Internet hosting collocation, and
> hosting Broadband traffic. This market share leverages the US to
> maintain significant control of the Internet, both politically and
> competitively. If the US were to impose anti-neutral conditions on
> broadband providers and ISPs, such as to force them to censor domains in
> the DNS system, Content providers would likely move their servers
> oversees. If the US loses its hosting market share, it could result in
> the US and US carriers losing control of the Internet, both politically
> and competitively.
>
> 5) The US is a World Wide symbol of Freedom and Openness. The US must
> continue to live up to the standard tha

[WISPA] VoIP with Ubiquiti PtMP

[my_em...@webjogger.net]

I'm looking to setup a Municipality wide network using Ubiquiti 
equipment with Airmax enabled. Around 30 sites all doing VoIP (around 
1600 handsets).

Does anyone have experience with VoIP using Ubnt gear at this level? I 
want to be sure that it supports it.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Brian Webster]

See the request for a batch process for thousands of inquiries. Radio Mobile
only does one at a time and would be painful to run many sites through.



Brian


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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

  Radio Mobile

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On 9/28/2010 11:14 AM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> Does anyone know of a tool to calculate HAAT for hundreds or thousands
> of coordinates?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Brian Webster]

Do we know if the HAAT rule applies to low power consumer devices that are
able to use the 1st adjacent channels? See my other posts about using
separate transmit and receive architecture in TVWS radios. You could place
these receivers at various locations which work for the propagation
characteristics of the channels to be used. Add high gain antennas to the
receive site to better enable them to hear the low power devices. The
receiver site does not have HAAT limits if it does not transmit. If the
consumer devices do not have HAAT limits and you can locate a high power
transmitter in a location that meets the HAAT requirements for the downlink
your problem may be solved.

 



Thank You,

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www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

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Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

 

900 is being destroyed by PG&E smart meters and I was hoping to use TVWS to
save these customers. However, I am in an area where large chunks are well
above the TVWS 75m limit, but other locations less than a quarter mile away
are well below it. I would like to see what the possibility is of swapping
most of my 900 customer base to TVWS. I am wondering how many of them will
be above the limit...

On 09/28/2010 10:38 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

for what purpose?

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Matt Jenkins 
wrote:

Does anyone know of a tool to calculate HAAT for hundreds or thousands
of coordinates?




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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship bill

[Tom DeReggi]

If anyone interested, these are my comments that I sent to my Maryland senator.

 

Dear Senator,

 

My understanding is that the Senate Judiciary Committee is currently 
considering the newly proposed Internet Censorship and Copyright bill.  I am a 
Maryland ISP, and writing this letter to strongly appose this bill.  
Implementing this bill, would force Internet Access Providers to compromise 
their DNS (Domain Name System) to blacklist and censor Internet Domain Names.  
Such an act could destroy the USA's dominant ownership and control position of 
the Internet, both in the US and World Wide, for numerous reasons.  

 

1)  If DNS censorship were to be implemented, the US would look like 
Hypocrite. How can we promote an open and free Internet, and then 
simultaneously mandate practices that do the opposite, and censor content and 
content providers. 

 

2)  ISPs are accountable and liable to their customers, both ethically and 
contractually. It is inappropriate for an ISP to block content or compromise 
their customer's Internet experience, based on the claims made by third party 
blacklisting companies, because the ISP would have no reasonable way to verify 
the accuracy of the provided blacklist data.  Simply asking ISPs to trust the 
data is inappropriate. 

 

3)  ISPs should not be forced to determine what is and what isn't legal 
content. That is the job of the courts and/or trained law enforcement. Access 
Providers have systems in place to "pass data", and in most cases are agnostic 
to the actual content that passes.  In some cases, privacy policies prevent 
ISPs from even looking at it.  It therefore is inappropriate for ISPs to be 
forced to blacklist domains in DNS, when they may not have a reasonable way to 
verify whether content is legal or not.  

 

4)  What's most important is that we do not lose sight that we play in a 
GLOBAL market place, not only a US market place. The US currently has the 
majority market share of in Internet hosting collocation, and hosting Broadband 
traffic. This market share leverages the US to maintain significant control of 
the Internet, both politically and competitively.  If the US were to impose 
anti-neutral conditions on broadband providers and ISPs, such as to force them 
to censor domains in the DNS system, Content providers would likely move their 
servers oversees.  If the US loses its hosting market share, it could result in 
the US and US carriers losing control of the Internet, both politically and 
competitively. 

 

5)  The US is a World Wide symbol of Freedom and Openness. The US must 
continue to live up to the standard that we preach to the world, if we want to 
be respected by the world as a leader.  To lead the Internet, we must stay 
Neutral, if we expect the World to trust us as the leader of the Internet. I 
just don't see the world taking it well, for the US to self-elect themselves to 
be the one passing judgment on what is and isn't legal content on the world 
wide web, considering that many blacklists today prematurely and overzealously 
block non-US content. 

 

6)  Lastly, forcing Censorship of the DNS system in the US will not help 
solve the problem anyways, since it's a global market place. If DNS becomes 
compromised and censored, the world will just turn to alternative Name 
Resolution services or providers. There is no technical limitation that 
prevents Internet users or Internet Content providers from turning to use new 
protocols for name resolution, or preventing consumers and ISP from turning to 
unregulated ISPs operating in other countries to perform their DNS resolution. 

 

 

For the above reasons, we strongly urge that you vote against the bill. Thank 
you for your consideration.

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bret Clark 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:42 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship 
bill


  This came on the NANOG list for those who don't subscribe to that 
list...thought I'd pass it along here. Looks like you need to respond to Peter 
by today 4PM EST.  

  Bret

   Original Message  Subject:  EFF needs your help to stop the 
Senate's DNS censorship bill 
Date:  Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:40:25 -0700 
From:  Peter Eckersley  
To:  na...@nanog.org 



Dear network operators,

I apologise for a posting that contains some politics; I hope you'll agree
that it also has fairly substantial short-to-medium term operational
implications.

As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright
bill that is going to be passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this
Wednesday.  It will require service providers to censor the DNS entries of
blacklisted domains where piracy is deemed too "central" to the site's purpose.
Senators are claiming that they haven't heard an

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship bill

[Tom DeReggi]

http://judiciary.senate.gov/about/members.cfm

Senate Judiciary Committee Members 
  Patrick J. Leahy
  Chairman, D-Vermont

  Biography 
  Herb Kohl
  D-Wisconsin
  Biography

 Jeff Sessions
  Ranking Member, R-Alabama
  Biography

 
  Dianne Feinstein
  D-California
  Biography

 Orrin G. Hatch
  R-Utah
  Biography

 
  Russ Feingold
  D-Wisconsin
  Biography

 Chuck Grassley
  R-Iowa
  Biography

 
  Arlen Specter
  D-Pennsylvania
  Biography 
 Jon Kyl
  R-Arizona
  Biography

 
  Chuck Schumer
  D-New York
  Biography

 Lindsey Graham
  R-South Carolina
  Biography

 
  Dick Durbin
  D-Illinois
  Biography

 John Cornyn
  R-Texas
  Biography

 
  Benjamin L. Cardin
  D-Maryland
  Biography

 Tom Coburn
  R-Oklahoma
  Biography

 
  Sheldon Whitehouse
  D-Rhode Island
  Biography

 
 
  Amy Klobuchar
  D-Minnesota
  Biography

 
 
  Ted Kaufman
  D-Delaware
  Biography
 
 
  Al Franken
  D-Minnesota
  Biography
 
 



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bret Clark 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:42 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNScensorship 
bill


  This came on the NANOG list for those who don't subscribe to that 
list...thought I'd pass it along here. Looks like you need to respond to Peter 
by today 4PM EST.  

  Bret

   Original Message  Subject:  EFF needs your help to stop the 
Senate's DNS censorship bill 
Date:  Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:40:25 -0700 
From:  Peter Eckersley  
To:  na...@nanog.org 



Dear network operators,

I apologise for a posting that contains some politics; I hope you'll agree
that it also has fairly substantial short-to-medium term operational
implications.

As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright
bill that is going to be passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this
Wednesday.  It will require service providers to censor the DNS entries of
blacklisted domains where piracy is deemed too "central" to the site's purpose.
Senators are claiming that they haven't heard any opposition to this bill, and
it is being sponsored by 14 of the 19 committee members.  We believe it needs
to be stopped, and we need your help.

What EFF needs right now is sign-ons to an open letter, from the engineers who
helped build the Internet in the first place.  The text of our letter is
below.  If you agree with it and would like to sign, please send me an email
at p...@eff.org, with your name and a one-line summary of what part of the
Internet you have helped to design, implement, debug or run.

This is URGENT.  I need your sign-ons by 4:00pm, US Eastern time (1pm
Pacific), tomorrow.  Unfortunately, the civil liberties community has been
ambushed by this bill.

You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica

---

Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee:

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and
protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're
just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the
Internet, has brought with it.

We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and
copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the
Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of
tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously
harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key
Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce
censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers
while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to
restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because
it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or
files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be
blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that
alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside
the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens.
Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current
global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate
the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites
othe

Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Matt Jenkins]

Only one at a time. :(

On 09/28/2010 11:10 AM, Jim Patient wrote:

Radio Mobile

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Desk: 636-692-4200
YIM: jeffcosoho
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On 9/28/2010 11:14 AM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
  
  
Does anyone know of a tool to calculate HAAT for hundreds or thousands
of coordinates?



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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Cameron Crum]

I guess with all the TWS stuff going on I should have realized what this was
for. It shouldn't be too tough to do this, but the question is, would you be
willing to pay? I'm all for some free utilities here and there, but a batch
process like this would be processor intensive depending on the number of
points you want to process. Also, I need to make a living ;).

Cameron

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> for what purpose?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Matt Jenkins 
> wrote:
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>> of coordinates?
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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Matt Jenkins]

900 is being destroyed by PG&E smart meters and I
was hoping to use TVWS to save these customers. However, I am in an area where large chunks are well above the TVWS
75m limit, but other locations less than a quarter mile away are well
below it. I would like to see what the possibility is of swapping most
of my 900 customer base to TVWS. I am wondering how many of them will
be above the limit...

On 09/28/2010 10:38 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
for what purpose?
  
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Matt
Jenkins 
wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] 11GHz fade margin

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We have a ~22 mile DragonWave Horizon Compact 11GHz link (6 ft dishes)
that is 100ft AMSL at one end and 3500ft at the other.  Attached are the
modem RSL and equalizer stress graphs for the last year.  Looking over
the last month or two, I can see 2-5dB variations in RSL, but nothing
more significant than that.

On the other hand, we have some 10 mile links (nearly same height at
both ends) that vary 10-20dB in the early morning during early spring
and early fall (we assume due to ducting).  So I guess it really comes
down to location.  But for my $0.02 I'd say it's possible.


-Kristian


On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 11:51 -0500, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I'm looking at deploying some 11GHz gear.  I would like to do one path
> in two 27 Mile Hops.  Using 6' dishes I show a fade margin of 19db.
> Is this adequate for 11GHz at that rage?  At 5GHz - 6GHz, I would be
> fine with it.
> 
> Is anyone else pushing 11GHz this far?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Jim Patient]

  Radio Mobile

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> of coordinates?
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Polarity, Dual Band Dish

[Matt Jenkins]

Most dual band antennas I have seen work by putting one
frequency on vertical and one frequency on horizontal. 

On 09/28/2010 08:01 AM, Nick White wrote:

Anyone have ideas on a dual band(2.4Ghz and 5Ghz), dual polarity dish? 
I found this, but it appears to be single polarity
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=14343&eventPage=1

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Re: [WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Cameron Crum]

for what purpose?

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> Does anyone know of a tool to calculate HAAT for hundreds or thousands
> of coordinates?
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[WISPA] 11GHz fade margin

[Marco Coelho]

I'm looking at deploying some 11GHz gear.  I would like to do one path
in two 27 Mile Hops.  Using 6' dishes I show a fade margin of 19db.
Is this adequate for 11GHz at that rage?  At 5GHz - 6GHz, I would be
fine with it.

Is anyone else pushing 11GHz this far?

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[WISPA] Batch HAAT Calculator

[Matt Jenkins]

Does anyone know of a tool to calculate HAAT for hundreds or thousands 
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[WISPA] Dual Polarity, Dual Band Dish

[Nick White]

  Anyone have ideas on a dual band(2.4Ghz and 5Ghz), dual polarity dish? 
I found this, but it appears to be single polarity
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=14343&eventPage=1

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[WISPA] COICA

[Glenn Kelley]

https://www.eff.org/coica

Not looking to get into the politics side - but passing this along as a link 
for those that wish to know about it. 

You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica

---

Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee:

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and
protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're
just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the
Internet, has brought with it.

We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and
copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the
Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of
tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously
harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key
Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce
censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers
while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to
restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because
it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or
files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be
blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that
alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside
the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens.
Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current
global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate
the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites
other than those blacklisted by the American government.

The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open
Internet, both domestically and abroad. We can't have a free and open Internet
without a global domain name system that sits above the political concerns and
objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US
has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because
America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free
expression. If the US suddenly begins to use its central position in the DNS
for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the
consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

Senators, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be
endangered in this way, and implore you to put this bill aside.

-- 
Peter Eckersleyp...@eff.org
Senior Staff Technologist Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
Electronic Frontier FoundationFax  +1 415 436 9993

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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[WISPA] Solar panel calculation

[Glenn Kelley]

I found a nice little tool to help w/ solar panel calculations 

http://www.virtualsecrets.com/solar-panel-battery-calculators.html


Hoping that helps others 

:-)

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[WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill

[Bret Clark]

This came on the NANOG list for those who don't subscribe to that 
list...thought I'd pass it along here. Looks like you need to respond to 
Peter by today 4PM EST.


Bret

 Original Message 
Subject:EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill
Date:   Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:40:25 -0700
From:   Peter Eckersley 
To: na...@nanog.org



Dear network operators,

I apologise for a posting that contains some politics; I hope you'll agree
that it also has fairly substantial short-to-medium term operational
implications.

As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright
bill that is going to be passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this
Wednesday.  It will require service providers to censor the DNS entries of
blacklisted domains where piracy is deemed too "central" to the site's purpose.
Senators are claiming that they haven't heard any opposition to this bill, and
it is being sponsored by 14 of the 19 committee members.  We believe it needs
to be stopped, and we need your help.

What EFF needs right now is sign-ons to an open letter, from the engineers who
helped build the Internet in the first place.  The text of our letter is
below.  If you agree with it and would like to sign, please send me an email
at p...@eff.org, with your name and a one-line summary of what part of the
Internet you have helped to design, implement, debug or run.

This is URGENT.  I need your sign-ons by 4:00pm, US Eastern time (1pm
Pacific), tomorrow.  Unfortunately, the civil liberties community has been
ambushed by this bill.

You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica

---

Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee:

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and
protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're
just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the
Internet, has brought with it.

We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and
copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the
Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of
tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously
harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key
Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce
censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers
while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to
restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because
it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or
files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be
blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that
alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside
the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens.
Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current
global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate
the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites
other than those blacklisted by the American government.

The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open
Internet, both domestically and abroad. We can't have a free and open Internet
without a global domain name system that sits above the political concerns and
objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US
has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because
America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free
expression. If the US suddenly begins to use its central position in the DNS
for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the
consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

Senators, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be
endangered in this way, and implore you to put this bill aside.

--
Peter Eckersleyp...@eff.org
Senior Staff Technologist Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
Electronic Frontier FoundationFax  +1 415 436 9993





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Blair Davis]

well, a CPE version could be made to fit...

give me Netstream on Nano's and I'd be in heaven!

Mike Hammett wrote:

  
MT just doesn't fit on UBNT hardware.
  -
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

  
  
On 9/27/2010 3:47 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
  




As
I understand it there is bad Ju Ju between MT and UBNT
 
MT
would do well to get over it and port RouterOS to UBNT
 
-
Jerry
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi
VLAN/SSID

 
What are
the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software (MT)?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Ihnen

wrote:

+1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on
UBNT gear).

 


Greg

 

 


On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:





So much easier on
Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
.
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