Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-05 Thread Rubens Kuhl
 We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking at
 the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting ethernet
 errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
 second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has occurred
 on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.

GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.



Rubens



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Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-05 Thread Justin Wilson
In my experience the first thing we always check is layer1.  80+% of our
logged tickets can be traced down to bad cat-5, bad crimps, poor patch
cables, etc.

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From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:35:52 -0200
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

 We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking at
 the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting ethernet
 errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
 second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has occurred
 on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.

GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.



Rubens




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Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-05 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't think 1% accounts for those in my experience.  Wonder what you're
doing differently.
On Dec 5, 2010 9:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
 In my experience the first thing we always check is layer1. 80+% of our
 logged tickets can be traced down to bad cat-5, bad crimps, poor patch
 cables, etc.

 Justin
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 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:35:52 -0200
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

 We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking
at
 the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting
ethernet
 errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
 second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has
occurred
 on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.

 GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
 interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
 works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.



 Rubens




 
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Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-05 Thread Marco Coelho
The issue is not so much GIG-E to GIG-E.  It's when you have GiG-E to
100BaseT or GiG-E to 10BaseT Half duplex only.

Or low end unmanaged Gig-E to anything else.

Marco



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Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-05 Thread Justin Wilson
It¹s across a wide variety of clients.  My guys always check layer1
before they do much of anything.  We fixed two just yesterday which were bad
patch cables.

We always reference the following article when we bring a new guy on:

http://www.iphelp.ru/faq/24/ch16lev1sec1.html

I have seen guys spend hours troubleshooting configurations that have
not changed in 6 months, do memory tests, and all sorts of things.  Then a
jumper is replaced and all is good.  My only point is start at the bottom of
the OSI model and work up if nothing has changed.

Justin

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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:23:10 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

I don't think 1% accounts for those in my experience.  Wonder what you're
doing differently.

On Dec 5, 2010 9:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
 In my experience the first thing we always check is layer1.  80+% of our
 logged tickets can be traced down to bad cat-5, bad crimps, poor patch
 cables, etc.
 
 Justin
 -- 
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 Aol  Yahoo IM: j2sw
 http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News
 http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter
 Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support
 
 
 
 
 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:35:52 -0200
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.
 
 We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking at
 the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting ethernet
 errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
 second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has occurred
 on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.
 
 GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
 interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
 works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.
 
 
 
 Rubens
 
 
 
 
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