[WISPA] INDY WISP Meeting?
I Don't seem to be getting the indiana WISPA Thread anymore what are the Details on the INDY WISP Meeting Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INDY WISP Meeting?
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434 Let me know. I'm not sure what happened, but I resubscribed you Tim. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of support Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] INDY WISP Meeting? I Don't seem to be getting the indiana WISPA Thread anymore what are the Details on the INDY WISP Meeting Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INDY WISP Meeting?
Thanks Rick I sent you an E-mail hope its not too late On 1/17/2011 11:32 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434 Let me know. I'm not sure what happened, but I resubscribed you Tim. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of support Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] INDY WISP Meeting? I Don't seem to be getting the indiana WISPA Thread anymore what are the Details on the INDY WISP Meeting Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Newbie needs info on antenna down tilt angles
Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on antenna down tilt angles
Easy answer: set it to 0 or very close to. Better answer: you want the 3db uptilt on your azimuth to hit the horizon and then adjust down so that the focal point gives you maximum coverage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Steve Lynch steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com wrote: Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles
Please forgive if this is a repeat. Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. Steve -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles
Google search for antenna downtilt calculator provides a number of results. Top result: http://www.terabeam.com/support/calculations/downtilt-cover.php - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lynch Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles Please forgive if this is a repeat. Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. Steve -- Steve Lynch Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.commailto:steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com [http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/logo.jpg] www.midsouthsatellite.comhttp://www.midsouthsatellite.com/ [http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/athlogo.jpg] www.athenabroadband.comhttp://www.athenabroadband.com/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3386 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles
That is the one I always used to use. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles Google search for antenna downtilt calculator provides a number of results. Top result: http://www.terabeam.com/support/calculations/downtilt-cover.php - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lynch Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on calculating antenna down tilt angles Please forgive if this is a repeat. Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. Steve -- Steve Lynch Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/logo.jpg www.midsouthsatellite.com http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/ http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/athlogo.jpg www.athenabroadband.com http://www.athenabroadband.com/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3386 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
Fred, Useful discussion, let's continue. I am guessing that in those cases, you didn't begin a presentation by putting a pointed set of insults (the whole obstructionism bit) into the Record. Your slide set might have been entertaining at a WISPA conference, or as a political broadside aimed at outsiders whose views of the FCC you wish to lower. But as a presentation to be mainly read by the professional staffers at the FCC, who are for the most part dedicated, competent people whose work is fettered by politics from above, it struck me as counterproductive. They do not want to be insulted. WSI's comments and reply comments to the NPRM were very formal and factual. My ex parte meetings at the Commission on December 8th 2010 were oral presentations with the slides in question being used as visual aids, which stated the facts as WSI saw them. Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political. What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an industry position. I still harbor some illusions that Part 101 and Part 15, to give two examples, are handled on a somewhat more honest basis, with technical rather than political judgement being most important. The current version of the old joke is that the FCC staff is 1500 lawyers and Stagg Newman, but I know there are really a few other engineers left to help keep Stagg sane. To be sure, WTB is rather politicized, and my own experiences with them are not so good, but a lot of that has to do with internal politics and silos. I think the auctioned spectrum is subject to a lot more political pressure. I believe that the way people act depends a lot on their past experiences and your experience at the Commission have been: Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political. What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an industry position. On the other hand, my thirty years of experience at the Commission has been in Part 15 and Part 101 where I have found the OET and WTB to have based their rulings mainly on the technical facts. When I see others make comments that are not factually based and are made ... mainly as cover for an industry position I contend their actions define them as obstructionists, one who attempts to stifle new technologies. I have no problem with innovation. As you might have noted, I think there's good reason to have more PtMP services, like a new updated DTS. And indeed I do think that some of the current requirements of Part 101 Fixed Services lead to excessive cost. Especially outside of the most congested areas, for instance, smaller antennas, with less wind loading, would be most useful. My comment on narrowband is that they require very high spectrum efficiency (hence the whole issue over adaptive modulation) using narrowband means, which rules out OFDM-type approaches which might (I'm only guessing) in practice work as well (using lower interference margins and more FEC, for instance). I generally agree but note that all equipment for use in all licensed bandwidths should strive for the maximum through-put capability and today most have 256QAM capability with adaptive modulation. Also, I see the whole issue over adaptive modulation to be manufactured by obstructionists who base their fear of abuse argument on a false premise. Whoa. The coordination requires that the path be *checked*. It does not mean that a frequency is *blocked* for 125 miles for the full circle. HUGE difference. If I use a given frequency from say Indy (say, Henry St., which is probably Ground Zero for congestion) to McCordsville, somebody looking for a path from, say, Crow's Nest to Carmel will need to protect that path. But the paths don't mutually interfere. So they same frequency can probably be used for both. And a path from Kokomo to Gas City won't interfere. If the coordinators do give grief on these, then we have a problem with the coordination rules. Your exaggerated presentation makes these look wasted. But actually most of the wasted paths are unwanted, since there's probably no demand for many fixed paths from Gas City to Wheeling, or from Wheeling to Leisure, etc. *And the WTB guys know this.* Mobile of course is very different... When a potentially blocked path becomes wanted by a new applicant and he is blocked, the path blockage becomes very real. Under Part 101 Fixed rules, each path, when requested, gets coordinated and given primary status. Or rejected. I'm noting Tom's concern that auxiliary, by turning PtP into PtMP, may increase demand for PtP primary licenses, and thus worsen, not reduce, congestion. And the little guys always lose. There is an increasing demand for higher and higher capacity microwave paths. What we want is to create rules
[WISPA] FCC NPRM WT Docket 10-153
In my experience, significant growth opportunities occur in wireless when there is a regulatory change, a technology change, or both. The last major opportunity in backhaul and access occurred in the 1990's when, as stated in a previous post, Western Multiplex Corporation petitioned the FCC for a rule making and an immediate waiver of the rules pending a rule making to allow unlimited EIRP in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. When both were granted (with the 3 for 1 rule at 2.4GHz), Western Multiplex introduced the Lynx spread spectrum radio, a technology change in conventional backhaul and access. Western Multiplex grew rapidly and the regulatory and technology changes created the opportunities for entrepreneurs to start wireless internet service companies and the WISP industry was born. With the FCC's Notice of Proposed Rule Making, WT Docket 10-153, to allow auxiliary stations and make it feasible for technologies used in Part 15 frequency bands to be used in Part 101 frequency bands below 13GHz, the scene is set for a dramatic decrease in the cost of provisioning Part 101 fixed service licensed backhaul and access, thereby presenting WISPs large and small with significant growth opportunities. I believe the questions for a WISP are: 1. Can I grow my business with the added ability to provide +100Mb licensed services at or near the cost of provisioning unlicensed service? I believe the answer is yes, as applications are requiring faster and faster speeds. 2. Are Part 101 frequencies below 13GHz available in my service area? I believe the answer is yes for most if not all WISPs. 3. Do I want to take control of my own destiny, that is, own exclusive-use spectrum so as not to be at the mercy of interference from others, as is the case when using unlicensed bands? I believe the answer is yes. 4. What do I have to lose or gain by filing an ex parte letter in support of the FCC's NPRM to allow auxiliary stations? I believe that there is nothing to lose and everything to gain. I suggest that if you agree with the above that you file an ex parte letter in support of the FCC's proposal to allow the use of auxiliary stations. If any of you would like help composing and filing an ex parte letter please contact me off list and I will customize one for you and help with an electronic filing (it takes less than two minutes). I believe that the FCC's NPRM re auxiliary stations represents a golden growth opportunity. Thanks, Mike Wireless Strategies Inc. m...@wirelessstrategies.net Direct: 831-659-5618 Mobile: 831-601-0086 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Verizon Drops “New Every Two” Program
http://tmo.to/efIp -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC NPRM WT Docket 10-153
Mike, Where to you fall in with WISPA's Reply Comments.http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020921272. I would love to hear your honest opinions, criticisms or supportive statements. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of michael mulcay Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC NPRM WT Docket 10-153 In my experience, significant growth opportunities occur in wireless when there is a regulatory change, a technology change, or both. The last major opportunity in backhaul and access occurred in the 1990's when, as stated in a previous post, Western Multiplex Corporation petitioned the FCC for a rule making and an immediate waiver of the rules pending a rule making to allow unlimited EIRP in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. When both were granted (with the 3 for 1 rule at 2.4GHz), Western Multiplex introduced the Lynx spread spectrum radio, a technology change in conventional backhaul and access. Western Multiplex grew rapidly and the regulatory and technology changes created the opportunities for entrepreneurs to start wireless internet service companies and the WISP industry was born. With the FCC's Notice of Proposed Rule Making, WT Docket 10-153, to allow auxiliary stations and make it feasible for technologies used in Part 15 frequency bands to be used in Part 101 frequency bands below 13GHz, the scene is set for a dramatic decrease in the cost of provisioning Part 101 fixed service licensed backhaul and access, thereby presenting WISPs large and small with significant growth opportunities. I believe the questions for a WISP are: 1. Can I grow my business with the added ability to provide +100Mb licensed services at or near the cost of provisioning unlicensed service? I believe the answer is yes, as applications are requiring faster and faster speeds. 2. Are Part 101 frequencies below 13GHz available in my service area? I believe the answer is yes for most if not all WISPs. 3. Do I want to take control of my own destiny, that is, own exclusive-use spectrum so as not to be at the mercy of interference from others, as is the case when using unlicensed bands? I believe the answer is yes. 4. What do I have to lose or gain by filing an ex parte letter in support of the FCC's NPRM to allow auxiliary stations? I believe that there is nothing to lose and everything to gain. I suggest that if you agree with the above that you file an ex parte letter in support of the FCC's proposal to allow the use of auxiliary stations. If any of you would like help composing and filing an ex parte letter please contact me off list and I will customize one for you and help with an electronic filing (it takes less than two minutes). I believe that the FCC's NPRM re auxiliary stations represents a golden growth opportunity. Thanks, Mike Wireless Strategies Inc. m...@wirelessstrategies.net Direct: 831-659-5618 Mobile: 831-601-0086 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on antenna down tilt angles
Vecima used to have a very nice downtilt calculator. Not sure for what antennas. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Easy answer: set it to 0 or very close to. Better answer: you want the 3db uptilt on your azimuth to hit the horizon and then adjust down so that the focal point gives you maximum coverage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Steve Lynch steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com wrote: Hey folks! Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on calculating antenna down tilt angles. -- Steve Lynch Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
I want to thank you gentlemen for taking the time here to debate these issues. I have been a proponent for concurrent coordination as proposed by Michael Mulcay for a few years now. Michael did an eloquent job of proposing these ideas before the WCAI around 2005 maybe? I was in the audience. The licensed players there did not really see anything novel about the opportunity. They blinked. Michael and I spent a great deal of time discussing many of the same concerns I have seen discussed here. I brought the concurrent coordination proposal before the WISPA FCC Committee at that time but saw much of the same lack of interest as was witnessed at the WCAI show where I had first heard about it directly from Michael. We blinked too. Now we see that we are finally starting to see some traction for concurrent coordination within WISPA. I feel that Jack Unger has done a good job of bringing this proposal before the committee and making sure the opportunity was clearly described and explained in a way that made sense to our members. Thank you for that Jack. You work hard for us and it is appreciated. I too see this as an all ships rise in higher waters type of proposal. WISPs are buying more and more licensed backhaul. Clearwire has stopped making their crazy 300 PCN requests in a day. The true opportunity here is for WISPs to take advantage of. It is one of the only ways we can sell a real metro-Ethernet style service with an SLA. We can be our own first customers too. No longer needing a dedicated backhaul to each individual rural tower would be a windfall in cost and logistics for WISPs who want to replace all their backhaul with something that is truly carrier-class. The only question I have left is who will be building gear that is legal to operate as a concurrently coordinated link radio once you get your RO in your favor? Will you, Michael Mulcay, be the sole beneficiary of licensing this technology? If yes then what are the terms by which existing manufacturers of licensed radios can buy a license of your intellectual property to include concurrently coordination into base stations and CPEs? If this detail has not been established then our support for you could easily turn into an incredible windfall for you and your company but may not really yield us anything of real value in the end. So Michael, I ask you, what is the status of the intellectual property license opportunity for concurrent coordination? Have any manufactuers bought a license or have agreed to buy a l;icense to use your IP for this purpose? How much of a percentage of the total price of the product would we expect to pay for your IP as part of a base station? For a customer CPE? John Scrivner On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, michael mulcay m...@wirelessstrategies.net wrote: Fred, Useful discussion, let’s continue. I am guessing that in those cases, you didn't begin a presentation by putting a pointed set of insults (the whole obstructionism bit) into the Record. Your slide set might have been entertaining at a WISPA conference, or as a political broadside aimed at outsiders whose views of the FCC you wish to lower. But as a presentation to be mainly read by the professional staffers at the FCC, who are for the most part dedicated, competent people whose work is fettered by politics from above, it struck me as counterproductive. They do not want to be insulted. WSI's comments and reply comments to the NPRM were very formal and factual. My ex parte meetings at the Commission on December 8th 2010 were oral presentations with the slides in question being used as visual aids, which stated the facts as WSI saw them. Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political. What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an industry position. I still harbor some illusions that Part 101 and Part 15, to give two examples, are handled on a somewhat more honest basis, with technical rather than political judgement being most important. The current version of the old joke is that the FCC staff is 1500 lawyers and Stagg Newman, but I know there are really a few other engineers left to help keep Stagg sane. To be sure, WTB is rather politicized, and my own experiences with them are not so good, but a lot of that has to do with internal politics and silos. I think the auctioned spectrum is subject to a lot more political pressure. I believe that the way people act depends a lot on their past experiences and your experience at the Commission have been: Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political. What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an industry position. On the other hand, my thirty years of experience at the Commission has been in Part 15 and Part 101
