Re: [WISPA] users...

2011-02-20 Thread Chuck Profito
Chuck, do you mean to a heavy user or another tower?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:43 PM
To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] users...

 

We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6
canopy AP's still isn't enough.  We're going to do a fiber trial in one
short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an
additional 6-7 miles if everything works out.


Regards,

Chuck



On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services
wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:

I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users
still saturate it.

I'm doing traffic shapping and still.



On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
 a fun little note...

 three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth...

 tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again!


 Grrr






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Re: [WISPA] users...

2011-02-20 Thread Chuck Hogg
Well, we sell 3Mbit burst to 5 at the max, however when you have 10-15
people per Canopy AP trying to stream, it get's maxed out.  So the options
are; 1) upgrade to another technology, again.  2) build out fiber with the
funds generated by the wireless. 3) wait for the telco or cable company to
finally build out using USF and loose all of my customers.

If we beat them to the punch, we've determined that we can build out fiber
for a little less than 10k per mile using aerial.  In most of our areas that
means 15-20 homes per mile.  That's at a cost of $1,000 per home + End User
equipment/buildout.  Our estimate is at about $600 per end user.  I will be
able to get poles put in for $800 per pole, and $800 for the electric drop.
 I can put up UBNT RocketM5's to do the users that it just doesn't make
sense for a fiber build out, and our thought is that we'll do 1 of these
every 2nd mile.  Our rough guess is $1600 per user one time, no more tower
fees, and no more continually upgrading costs.  Our current cost per user is
roughly $375-400, including labor/antennas/SM/cable/gas/etc.  On top of that
we have our tower rent which ends up being roughly 7-10% of the customer's
monthly fees.  We have averaged about 3 yrs before upgrading to better
technology, costing another $375-400.  On top of that keeping up with all of
the wireless backhauls, upgrading, licensing, etc.

Don't get me wrong, fiber is not cheap.  However, I see it that the customer
where there is a remote possibility that DSL/Cable can be built out, it will
over time.  I believe that the fiber investment is more than a 10yr
investment, probably 20-30 yrs.  I'm going to require everyone that gets the
service also get a home phone.  It's going to be built into their fee, get
it or don't the fee is the same.  I think I'm going to be somewhere around
$50 for 10mbit + phone and go to $60 for 20mbit, $70 for 30mbit, $100 for
50mbit.  Cogent is almost done building out here, so my cost per Mbit is
roughly $2.50/mbit at 1GBit.

It's a big upfront investment, for a long term future.  Hopefully we'll get
to the point where we will do IPTV as well.

These are all thoughts and plans that we're going to be doing a test
deployment with this spring/summer.  None of the above is finite, and I'm
sure lots of it will change.

Regards,
Chuck


On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote:

 Chuck, do you mean to a heavy user or another tower?



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:43 PM
 *To:* wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] users...



 We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6
 canopy AP's still isn't enough.  We're going to do a fiber trial in one
 short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an
 additional 6-7 miles if everything works out.


 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services 
 wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:

 I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users
 still saturate it.

 I'm doing traffic shapping and still.



 On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
  a fun little note...
 
  three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth...
 
  tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again!
 
 
  Grrr
 
 
 
 

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