Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[Blake Bowers]

who does not have them?  My supplier does.


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Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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Hello,
We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for 
those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem 
to have those.

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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[lakeland]

Nello.  The holes line up, the hardware count is always complete, the  
construction drawings are simple, no need to drill galvanizing out of the  
legs and the price is right


Rohn makes em but you will pay for the name.

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[WISPA] Redline 3.65 ghz Quote

[Gino Villarini]

Whos the preffered Redline Vendor?

 

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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[Travis Johnson]

Cost for just the tower?

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 4:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com 



We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the 
cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs 
were higher on them too than the Rohn.


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Hello,

We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go 
to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't 
really seem to have those.


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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

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At 4/25/2011 05:56 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

Hello,
We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys 
go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they 
don't really seem to have those.


Sabre Industries makes 150' freestanding monopoles.  I suspect 
they're cheaper than freestanding lattice towers.



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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com
 

 

We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost
of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were
higher on them too than the Rohn.

 

 

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Wavelinc Communications

http://www.wavelinc.com

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

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We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for
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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[Josh Luthman]

What do you mean don't "have those"?

http://www.rohnnet.com/self-supporting-towers

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Hello,
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those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to 
have those.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

Gosh, I need to hit the right button. That reply was supposed to be offlist.
It was not meant to be a sales pitch. Sorry about that. Marlon and I had
were talking on the phone earlier and I was replying in part to some of that
conversations. My apologies.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

>  Cameron...
>
> That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help
> operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look
> forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year
> or so...
>
> As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB,
> they will look to Wispmon & other key players in this area more & more.
>
>
> On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
> looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
> Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
> certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
> of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
> issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
> or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
> customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
> our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
> work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
> do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
> better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
> realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
> that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
> formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
> as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
> business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
> accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
> across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Cameron,
>>
>> Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
>> at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
>>
>> But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
>> time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
>> current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
>> used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
>> dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
>>
>> We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
>> case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
>> and how you run the numbers.
>>
>> You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
>> transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We
>> use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone
>> else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond
>> them.
>>
>> Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
>> enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
>> internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
>>
>> For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
>> Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
>> send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
>> lot.
>>
>> We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
>> days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
>> then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
>> net account.
>>
>> It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
>> customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.
>>
>> We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
>> But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
>> They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
>> isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
>> the customers.
>>
>> How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
>> the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
>> per tower.
>>
>> Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
>> questions I can.  509.988.0260
>>
>>  marlon
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Mark Nash]

Cameron...

That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help 
operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look 
forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next 
year or so...


As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, 
they will look to Wispmon & other key players in this area more & more.


On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were 
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. 
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is 
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon 
customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still 
stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your 
customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of 
the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording 
actual speeds until they started using our software and it was 
convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, 
it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with 
Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better 
records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing 
how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that 
is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data 
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have 
made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a 
time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but 
at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get 
people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate 
none of them.


Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com>> wrote:


Thanks Cameron,
Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally
laughed at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all
of the time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you
buy it by the current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per
square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc.
etc. etc.
Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less
than a dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. 
In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit

depending on my costs and how you run the numbers.
You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't
deliver.  We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth
hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running
at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. 
That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except

movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to
10.  Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer
has available and send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a
little or a lot.  Usually a lot.
We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users
these days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money
in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in
upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.
It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in
business.
We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't
have caps.  But those guys are going to go down in flames in the
next couple of years.  They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise
their rates.  Even higher prices isn't going to help when there
isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers.
How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 
5?  10 at the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even

point is 10 subs per tower.
Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
questions I can.  509.988.0260
marlon

- Original Message -
*From:* Cameron Crum 
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing
bandwidth caps for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger
  

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Cameron,
>
> Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
> at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
>
> But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
> time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
> current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
> used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.
>
> Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
> dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
>
> We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
> case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
> and how you run the numbers.
>
> You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer
> during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit
> caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's
> service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
>
> Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
> enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
> internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
>
> For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
> Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
> send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
> lot.
>
> We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
> days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
> then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
> net account.
>
> It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer
> can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.
>
> We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
> But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
> They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
> isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
> the customers.
>
> How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
> the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
> per tower.
>
> Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
> questions I can.  509.988.0260
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
>
> Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
> for years.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger wrote:
>
>> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
>> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
>> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
>> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
>> for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
>> speed.
>>
>> Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
>> caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
>> of caps.
>>
>> Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:

Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

[Fred Goldstein]

At 4/25/2011 01:16 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>Blush.
>
>Thanks for the kind words Fred!
>
>It's really important for everyone else to file too!  This is a very big
>deal and the FCC needs to hear from us!

And we should note that the deadline for "Comments" is closed, but 
they're now open to Reply Comments.  By tradition, everyone files on 
the last day, which for the Reply Comments is May 23.

If you miss the filing deadline, the best thing to do is to change 
your filing from a Comment (or Reply Comment) to a Notice of Ex 
Parte.  Those can be filed up to the Sunshine Act closing, which I 
think is a week before the official Meeting that addresses it. Which 
is what I think WISPA did last year in the neutrality case.

>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Fred Goldstein" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near
>
>
> > At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
> >>different than the last time I filed directly :-).
> >
> > Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of
> > Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the
> > crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings,
> >
> > YOUR COMMENT ROCKS!
> >
> > It really hits home in many ways.  Since you're writing as an
> > individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with
> > legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes.  You're talking
> > real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with.  And you write
> > well, which really helps get the point across.  Keep it up.
> >

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Mine looks good.  I can't wait till we get coverage maps to go with them!  
There's a bit hole in the middle of Wa. that is actually very well covered :-).
marlon

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  Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated


  Please check your listings and let me know if they are in error.

   

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Thanks Cameron,

Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at.  
Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time?  
You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used.  
Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in 
miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a 
dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my case 
the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how 
you run the numbers.

You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer 
during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit 
caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service 
and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.

Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's enough 
to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet 
radio (my parents have this problem :-).

For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.  Netflix 
will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more 
data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a lot.

We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these days.  
But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the 
customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.

It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can 
do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.  But 
those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.  They 
will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices isn't 
going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the 
customers.

How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at the 
most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower.

Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I 
can.  509.988.0260

marlon

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  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?


  Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps 
for years.

  Cameron


  On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger  wrote:

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> block pricing.
>
> Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> this, the simpler the better?
>
> Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> and automate billing of overages, etc?
>
> Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>
> --Dan P.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Blush.

Thanks for the kind words Fred!

It's really important for everyone else to file too!  This is a very big 
deal and the FCC needs to hear from us!

marlon

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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near


> At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
>>different than the last time I filed directly :-).
>
> Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of
> Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the
> crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings,
>
> YOUR COMMENT ROCKS!
>
> It really hits home in many ways.  Since you're writing as an
> individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with
> legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes.  You're talking
> real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with.  And you write
> well, which really helps get the point across.  Keep it up.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

When you are using anything 802.11N as an AP the backwards compatibility
with legacy 802.11G stuff is limited to 20mhz channels only.

 
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
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Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels
for some clients?

I'm presently using UBNT M gear as 2.4GHz APs. I've found that all client
devices can connect on 20MHz channels and only some clients can connect on
40MHz channels. I also found that when the UBNT gear is in 40MHz channel
mode it doesn't fall back to 20MHz for the clients that can't do 40MHz
channels as some other brand APs do.

Is there an RF card that can be used with an MT board that does 40MHz
channels and will fall back to 20MHz channels for the clients that can't do
40MHz?

I'd rather stay all UBNT for RF but it doesn't appear they have something
that can do this.

Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Brad Belton]

Agreed, we keep the phones separate from the PCs on LANs with more than a
few users.  Makes troubleshooting much easier in the event something goes
awry down the road.

That is a decent price for a 24port PoE switch.  We've standardized on the
Dell switches and have been very happy.  We really appreciate Dell's use of
a common, intuitive user interface throughout their switch line.

Dell prices are better than what is published on their site once you have
established an account and start doing a little business.  For example on
the discount, the PowerConnect 2824 costs us 179.00 rather than the 269.00
they list on their site.  I haven't priced it yet, but my guess is the
equivalent Dell PoE switch will be more expensive than the NewEgg Netgear
deal Travis posted.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

Why would you need GigE for the phones? Or are you running the PC's off the
phones as well? We keep the PC and phone on separate networks entirely.

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 9:41 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000.
>
> Appreciate this one too though - for the price difference we may stick 
> with 10/100 for now
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> > From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM
> To  : wireless@wispa.org
> Cc  :
> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
>
>   Sorry guess the one I got was a little different:
>
>   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177
>
> Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours...
> other than double
> the price. :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>> We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but 
>> also open to other suggestions.  Where did you get it for $350?  
>> Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range...
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>>  From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ]
>> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
>> To  : wireless@wispa.org
>> Cc  :
>> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
>>
>>Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and 
>> it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are 
>> PoE, with GigE uplinks.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>>> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 
>>> 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or 
>>> possibly two 8-port switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100% 
>>> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Travis Johnson]

Why would you need GigE for the phones? Or are you running the PC's off 
the phones as well? We keep the PC and phone on separate networks entirely.

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 9:41 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000.
>
> Appreciate this one too though - for the price
> difference we may stick with 10/100 for now
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> > From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM
> To  : wireless@wispa.org
> Cc  :
> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
> recommendation
>
>   Sorry guess the one I got was a little different:
>
>   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177
>
> Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours...
> other than double
> the price. :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>> We like that one, and I've always had good luck with
>> Netgear, but also open to other suggestions.  Where
>> did you get it for $350?  Cheapest I can find is in
>> the $600 range...
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>>  From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ]
>> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
>> To  : wireless@wispa.org
>> Cc  :
>> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
>> recommendation
>>
>>Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just
>> installed one and it
>> seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports
>> that are PoE, with
>> GigE uplinks.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>>> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
>>> recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
>>> the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
>>> switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
>>> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
>>> phones primarily.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Jason Hensley]

The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000.

Appreciate this one too though - for the price
difference we may stick with 10/100 for now





--- Original Message ---
>From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM
To  : wireless@wispa.org
Cc  : 
Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
recommendation

 Sorry guess the one I got was a little different:

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177 

Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours...
other than double 
the price. :)

Travis
Microserv

On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
> We like that one, and I've always had good luck with
> Netgear, but also open to other suggestions.  Where
> did you get it for $350?  Cheapest I can find is in
> the $600 range...
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> > From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ]
> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
> To  : wireless@wispa.org
> Cc  :
> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
> recommendation
>
>   Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just
> installed one and it
> seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports
> that are PoE, with
> GigE uplinks.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
>> recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
>> the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
>> switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
>> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
>> phones primarily.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Travis Johnson]

Sorry guess the one I got was a little different:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177

Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours... other than double 
the price. :)

Travis
Microserv

On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
> We like that one, and I've always had good luck with
> Netgear, but also open to other suggestions.  Where
> did you get it for $350?  Cheapest I can find is in
> the $600 range...
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> > From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
> To  : wireless@wispa.org
> Cc  :
> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
> recommendation
>
>   Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just
> installed one and it
> seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports
> that are PoE, with
> GigE uplinks.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
>> recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
>> the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
>> switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
>> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
>> phones primarily.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[ja...@hensleycrew.com]

We like that one, and I've always had good luck with
Netgear, but also open to other suggestions.  Where
did you get it for $350?  Cheapest I can find is in
the $600 range...



--- Original Message ---
>From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
To  : wireless@wispa.org
Cc  : 
Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch
recommendation

 Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just
installed one and it 
seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports
that are PoE, with 
GigE uplinks.

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
> recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
> the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
> switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
> phones primarily.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Travis Johnson]

Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and it 
seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are PoE, with 
GigE uplinks.

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
> recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
> the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
> switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
> phones primarily.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[ja...@hensleycrew.com]

I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a
recommendation for a 24-port POE switch - similar to
the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or possibly two 8-port
switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100%
necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP
phones primarily.  

Thanks!





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