[WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Ralph
I know that every so often Trango mails out something and so do others but I
haven't seen anything lately.
Anyone know is there is a great deal on anywhere for a licensed pair that
will doo 100 Mb/S usable both ways for about a mile.
It is for the City, so the license will be free.

Ralph
r...@brightlan.net





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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Solectek just had a summer offer of like $3k or something on their
licensed 100Mbps product.



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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Gino Villarini
UL 24 GHz would be a nice fit, SAF , DW

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Solectek just had a summer offer of like $3k or something on their licensed 
100Mbps product.



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[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Roman
Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Is there any way to send tables here?
Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
professionals.


Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
today.


Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
of WISP community!


  Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all
of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up
to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Josh Luthman
First row - performance and price

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
 Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
 To: wireless@wispa.org


 Is there any way to send tables here?
 Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
 Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
 To: wireless@wispa.org


 Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
 good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
 professionals.


 Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
 additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
 community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
 today.


 Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
 of WISP community!


   Market segment

 Econom

 Middle

 Top

 Market players

 Mikrotik

 Imagestream

 Vyatta

 Juniper SRX

 Cisco

 Performance and price

 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



 Up to 8x1GE

 300 Mbps – 1500$

 Up to 8x1GE



 Features

 Proprietary OS

 Open source, Linux-based

 Quagga as dynamic routing package

 High end of open source routers

 Cisco competitor,

 Junos

 IOS – stable and proven

 Advantages











 Disadvantages

 Up to 2x10GE (
 Powerouter 732?)

 OSPF issues







 Use cases

 Startups

 Startups



 Large enterprises with certified engineers

 Large enterprises with certified engineers

 Technical support

 Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

 Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

 You can purchase service contract

 Many paid options

 Many paid options

 Try before buy

 http://demo2.mt.lv/











 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
 To: wireless@wispa.org


 What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
 one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all
 of my projects to get budget calculation.
 For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
 backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up
 to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
 Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
 characteristics and price.

 Thank you in advance!







 
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis Burgess
The 750GL is $59.99.. lol .

 

---
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- Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

 

Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Is there any way to send tables here?

Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com

Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org



Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is
very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced
wireless professionals.

 

Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as
it is today.

 

Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with
help of WISP community!

 

Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps - 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE - 1219$ (Power router 732)

 

Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps - 1500$

Up to 8x1GE

 

Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS - stable and proven

Advantages

 

 

 

 

 

Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues

 

 

 

Use cases

Startups

Startups

 

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org



What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for
all of my projects to get budget calculation. 

For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects
with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use
configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to
know its technical characteristics and price.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Adam Kennedy
I would deem ourselves a fairly large organization and I'm definitely 
Imagestream certified. I think that qualifies as beyond start-up.

--
Adam Kennedy
Network Engineer
Omnicity, Inc.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netmailto:jeffl...@att.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:06:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

Many of our well established customers would take issue with being called 
start-up...  :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roman 
consulttele...@gmail.commailto:consulttele...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there any way to send tables here?
Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
mailto:consulttele...@gmail.comconsulttele...@gmail.commailto:consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
professionals.

Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
members.Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.

Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of 
WISP community!

Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$
Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based
Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,
Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
mailto:consulttele...@gmail.comconsulttele...@gmail.commailto:consulttele...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time 
project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my 
projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!





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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd look to SAF 23 or 24 GHz links.  They have a 100 megabit model.

-
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On 7/8/2011 8:37 AM, Ralph wrote:
 I know that every so often Trango mails out something and so do others but I
 haven't seen anything lately.
 Anyone know is there is a great deal on anywhere for a licensed pair that
 will doo 100 Mb/S usable both ways for about a mile.
 It is for the City, so the license will be free.

 Ralph
 r...@brightlan.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever use this cable? CA5EF-FTP-RF1000

2011-07-08 Thread Scott Reed
I don't know about that cable specifically, but I can tell you that the 
Superior-Essex BDDN I was required to run on one tower can not have any 
gel left in it.  265' up the tower, 30' underground and then up 4' to 
the cabinet.  Puddle of gel in the cabinet after the first year.  It was 
actually so liquid that is seeped out around the PVC box connector that 
has the underground conduit going into it.  What a mess.  More than 5 
years later the outside of the conduit is still sticky.

On 7/7/2011 5:28 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 We have a new GM and has switched us to using a new cable for towers.
 Its made by pcAirLink Wireless part number: CA5EF-FTP-RF1000.  I am
 worried about the gel inside getting hot and running down the cable.
 Anyone ever used this? If not what do you use? Does the gel/waterblock
 leak when hot?




 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.



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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Gino Villarini
Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

Sent from my Motorola Startac... 


On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
p...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
 licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Jerry Richardson
Call Last Mile Gear and ask about the Ligo (SAF) links they have at a nice 
discount.

- Jerry

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

Sent from my Motorola Startac... 


On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
p...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
 licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Jerry Richardson
That's 24GHz 100Mbps FDX

- Jerry


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Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

Call Last Mile Gear and ask about the Ligo (SAF) links they have at a nice 
discount.

- Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:09 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

Sent from my Motorola Startac... 


On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
p...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
 licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing
Not to try to take business away from Ligo but im sure theres a ton of
uninstalled Solectek gear collecting dust to buy used! No?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Call Last Mile Gear and ask about the Ligo (SAF) links they have at a nice 
 discount.

 - Jerry

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:09 PM
 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
 Cc: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

 Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 p...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
 licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.


 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

2011-07-08 Thread Jerry Richardson
Ligo's no longer selling the (SAF) 24GHz radios. 

The remaiins stock is being sold at a (deep) discount.

- Jerry


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

Not to try to take business away from Ligo but im sure theres a ton of
uninstalled Solectek gear collecting dust to buy used! No?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Call Last Mile Gear and ask about the Ligo (SAF) links they have at a nice 
 discount.

 - Jerry

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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:09 PM
 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

 Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 p...@believewireless.net wrote:

 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
 licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.


 
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