[WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
Sorry, bringing him where? Thanks, Ben On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ben Moore benjahmo...@gmail.com wrote: What question? ;-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I noticed that Ben Moore didn't respond to my question :( Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote: Funny now all he does is dress like Matt :-) Him and family are doing well FYI. Just spent a few days with Kris about 2 weeks ago. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Or a ski trip in park city :-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 3, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Between awnsering posts and working with the FCC I should get a check from UBNT… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Thursday, July 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Hi Steve - Gino pretty much answered it...We will have guys responding with their results from field. Also, the Lite is planned to have PTMP available via software upgrade. It will NOT have airPrism. Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ben and Matt, So the new RocketAC Lite wont do PTMP and it will not have AirPrism. That I get. So what is the benefit of these units over a standard Rocket M5 other then it has AC which with only dual Pol what other advantage with this have. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site No products currently available in AirMax like with airprism. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So when you said no products you mean no Airmax products? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 2, 2014 5:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes nothing in AirMax yet. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Unifi AP+? On 7/2/2014 2:52 PM, Ben Moore wrote: No products released yet with airprism... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: nevermind what I just said ;-) So is anything besides the non-lite Rocket AC getting airprism at this point? -- *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Lite = less cost, no airprism, etc... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So non-lite = $$$ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wednesday, July 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site See response in forum... On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Matt, The first post asked: What does the LITE mean in the new Rocket M5 AC Lite? in which Ben totally skipped over answering it... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/Rocket-M5-AC-Lite/m-p/900726#U900726 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca wrote: I saw that as well. But again, if this is the Lite product, is there a higher level product to come, perhaps with GPS? Daniel Mullen ISN Inc. Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
lol...Just bringing Gino...Going to have to find a way to block Gino's access to FCC database ;-) On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Park City! Lol Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Sorry, bringing him where? Thanks, Ben On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ben Moore benjahmo...@gmail.com wrote: What question? ;-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I noticed that Ben Moore didn't respond to my question :( Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote: Funny now all he does is dress like Matt :-) Him and family are doing well FYI. Just spent a few days with Kris about 2 weeks ago. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Or a ski trip in park city :-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 3, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Between awnsering posts and working with the FCC I should get a check from UBNT… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Thursday, July 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Hi Steve - Gino pretty much answered it...We will have guys responding with their results from field. Also, the Lite is planned to have PTMP available via software upgrade. It will NOT have airPrism. Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ben and Matt, So the new RocketAC Lite wont do PTMP and it will not have AirPrism. That I get. So what is the benefit of these units over a standard Rocket M5 other then it has AC which with only dual Pol what other advantage with this have. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site No products currently available in AirMax like with airprism. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So when you said no products you mean no Airmax products? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 2, 2014 5:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes nothing in AirMax yet. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Unifi AP+? On 7/2/2014 2:52 PM, Ben Moore wrote: No products released yet with airprism... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: nevermind what I just said ;-) So is anything besides the non-lite Rocket AC getting airprism at this point? -- *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Lite = less cost, no airprism, etc... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So non-lite = $$$ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wednesday, July 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site See response in forum... On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Matt, The first post asked: What does the LITE mean in the new Rocket M5 AC Lite? in which Ben totally skipped over answering it... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
Park City! Lol Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Sorry, bringing him where? Thanks, Ben On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ben Moore benjahmo...@gmail.com wrote: What question? ;-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I noticed that Ben Moore didn't respond to my question :( Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote: Funny now all he does is dress like Matt :-) Him and family are doing well FYI. Just spent a few days with Kris about 2 weeks ago. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Or a ski trip in park city :-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 3, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Between awnsering posts and working with the FCC I should get a check from UBNT… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Thursday, July 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Hi Steve - Gino pretty much answered it...We will have guys responding with their results from field. Also, the Lite is planned to have PTMP available via software upgrade. It will NOT have airPrism. Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ben and Matt, So the new RocketAC Lite wont do PTMP and it will not have AirPrism. That I get. So what is the benefit of these units over a standard Rocket M5 other then it has AC which with only dual Pol what other advantage with this have. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site No products currently available in AirMax like with airprism. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So when you said no products you mean no Airmax products? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 2, 2014 5:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes nothing in AirMax yet. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Unifi AP+? On 7/2/2014 2:52 PM, Ben Moore wrote: No products released yet with airprism... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: nevermind what I just said ;-) So is anything besides the non-lite Rocket AC getting airprism at this point? -- *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Lite = less cost, no airprism, etc... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So non-lite = $$$ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wednesday, July 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site See response in forum... On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Matt, The first post asked: What does the LITE mean in the new Rocket M5 AC Lite? in which Ben totally skipped over answering it... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/Rocket-M5-AC-Lite/m-p/900726#U900726 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
Socialist!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: lol...Just bringing Gino...Going to have to find a way to block Gino's access to FCC database ;-) On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Park City! Lol Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Sorry, bringing him where? Thanks, Ben On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ben Moore benjahmo...@gmail.com wrote: What question? ;-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I noticed that Ben Moore didn't respond to my question :( Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote: Funny now all he does is dress like Matt :-) Him and family are doing well FYI. Just spent a few days with Kris about 2 weeks ago. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Are you bringing our friend from Latvia? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Or a ski trip in park city :-) Thanks, Ben On Jul 3, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Between awnsering posts and working with the FCC I should get a check from UBNT… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Thursday, July 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Hi Steve - Gino pretty much answered it...We will have guys responding with their results from field. Also, the Lite is planned to have PTMP available via software upgrade. It will NOT have airPrism. Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ben and Matt, So the new RocketAC Lite wont do PTMP and it will not have AirPrism. That I get. So what is the benefit of these units over a standard Rocket M5 other then it has AC which with only dual Pol what other advantage with this have. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site No products currently available in AirMax like with airprism. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So when you said no products you mean no Airmax products? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 2, 2014 5:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes nothing in AirMax yet. Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Unifi AP+? On 7/2/2014 2:52 PM, Ben Moore wrote: No products released yet with airprism... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: nevermind what I just said ;-) So is anything besides the non-lite Rocket AC getting airprism at this point? -- *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site Lite = less cost, no airprism, etc... Thanks, Ben On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So non-lite = $$$ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wednesday, July 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site See response in forum... On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Matt, The first post asked: What does the LITE mean in the new Rocket M5 AC
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: mailto:coenr...@wish.org.za coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za/ http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Coenraad Loubser *Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity. Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their apps and social media sites or email ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: mailto:coenr...@wish.org.za coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za/ http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
If you're out in the truck, are you more likely to have cell service or WiFi? At towers I tend to use Google Voice on my laptop because the service is so bad. Not all of us can be in their late teens, Brian... =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity. Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their apps and social media sites or email ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Coenraad Loubser *Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
The Republic Wireless roams between Wi-Fi and cellular. It's the best of both worlds. I'm surprised more of you guys don't know about it. It'd be a great white-label opportunity for WISPs if they were open to that sort of thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 1:27:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling If you're out in the truck, are you more likely to have cell service or WiFi? At towers I tend to use Google Voice on my laptop because the service is so bad. Not all of us can be in their late teens, Brian... =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity. Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their apps and social media sites or email ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
I have a client that resides 120 feet below in a cave complex. Wifi calling is a must for them. On Monday, July 7, 2014, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: The Republic Wireless roams between Wi-Fi and cellular. It's the best of both worlds. I'm surprised more of you guys don't know about it. It'd be a great white-label opportunity for WISPs if they were open to that sort of thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Monday, July 7, 2014 1:27:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling If you're out in the truck, are you more likely to have cell service or WiFi? At towers I tend to use Google Voice on my laptop because the service is so bad. Not all of us can be in their late teens, Brian... =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','i...@wirelessmapping.com'); wrote: It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity. Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their apps and social media sites or email ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','i...@wirelessmapping.com'); wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Coenraad Loubser *Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: coenr...@wish.org.za javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coenr...@wish.org.za'); Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
Fred, I think one aspect of the new 15.407 (U-NII) rules that UBNT may not yet meet is the 40MHz filter requirement on both ends of the 5725MHz-5850MHz spectrum, which as I understand it, will effectively limit the usable range to 5765MHz - 5810MHz. Or maybe they already have the filter? In any case, the range reduction will still mean replacing some existing deployments with different frequency gear, if I'm interpreting the new rules correctly. :( Thanks, Adam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site On 7/3/2014 9:33 AM, Ben Moore wrote: $135 MSRP for rocket-lite. That's excellent. One of the contractors working with us recently replaced a pair of old Motorola PTPs with NanoStation Ms. It's just a camera, so it doesn't need much speed, so when I found its wireless side converging at 270 Mbps (the bottleneck is the Ethernet), I turned it down to a 20 MHz channel so it's merely 130 Mbps. And I moved it down to DFSland, where the AP side properly moved the slider all the way to the right at +14 (since the antenna gain is 16 dB). But lessee... the old Motorola charged extra for allowing speeds above 25 Mbps, extra for encryption, and cost about 50 times as much as the UBNT to begin with. Oh, but the PTP had a metal body, unlike the nano. But the new Rockets are metal too. So really, it's embarrassing -- if you're the one still trying to sell at the old Moto price points! Not to rain on the sunshine here -- but I did see one issue when I actually read the FCC test report. It was only being tested for the 15.247 band (5725-5850), not U-NII. At least the old PTPs had DFS (with separate SKUs needed to use the DFS and non-DFS channels!), and the plain NanoStation does. So will the Rocket-lite have U-NII support? That could include either or both of the DFS bands and the new UNII-1 band at 5150. I also notice that WISPA is petitioning to have the 15.407 (U-NII) rules changed to be easier to meet. But the NanoStation, Rocket M, and NanoBridge already do, at low cost, so does UBNT know more than its competitors do, or are the new rules harder? -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
On 7/7/2014 6:53 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Fred, I think one aspect of the new 15.407 (U-NII) rules that UBNT may not yet meet is the 40MHz filter requirement on both ends of the 5725MHz-5850MHz spectrum, which as I understand it, will effectively limit the usable range to 5765MHz - 5810MHz. Or maybe they already have the filter? In any case, the range reduction will still mean replacing some existing deployments with different frequency gear, if I'm interpreting the new rules correctly. :( Thanks, Adam I did a little research on that today, just enough to be dangerous. The requirement in 15.407 that drives everyone nuts is that out-of-band emissions must be at -17 dBm/MHz EIRP at the band edge and -27 dBm/MHz at 10 MHz. That translates to 40 dB at the edge if you use the +53 dB limit of the 5150-5250 band. Compare to 15.247 which is 30 dB relative to the desired signal, not to a fixed EIRP. It's trivial to meet 30 dB. It's harder to meet 40 dB. So either you need more distance from the band edge or a filter, but the filter is frankly impractical, almost a straw horse argument. So I pulled the FCC's type approval report for UBNT's NBM5, which in fact has 15.407 approval. The lab report includes spectrum analyzer plots. As I read it, that radio actually does seem to meet 40 dB suppression at around 10 MHz from the edge of a 20 MHz 11n signal, so (with 5850 the limit) it could be centered at 5830. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it, but it looked mighty clean, and since the antenna is integral, it doesn't have to worry about EIRP. However, the U-NII plots were being done down in the 5250 band, where the tested power output was only around 0 dBm, since EIRP is capped at +30 (less if 20 MHz wide) and there are two chains feeding a 25 dB dish. It might not be quite so clean at full power, what's now allowed on 5150 and what's proposed for 5725. Heck, at 0 dBm the final amp an run in full Class A and not get warm. (Mimosa's petition notes that a Class A amp is usually around 5% efficient, the more common Class AB about 10%. I'm sort of surprised that microwave GaAs is not more efficient; I'm used to the much higher efficiency of HF ham and broadcast-band transmitters.) Anyway, there are two petitions, Mimosa's and WISPAs. Mimosa just wants the interference cap modified so that if antenna gain is 6 dB, the unwanted signal can go up by 6 dB. That results in a 40 dB ratio from a +30 transmitter, or 30 dB from a +20 transmitter. And the ability of a professional installer to mix'n'match antennas is saved. So I'm working on a Comment in favor of both petitions. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site On 7/3/2014 9:33 AM, Ben Moore wrote: $135 MSRP for rocket-lite. That's excellent. One of the contractors working with us recently replaced a pair of old Motorola PTPs with NanoStation Ms. It's just a camera, so it doesn't need much speed, so when I found its wireless side converging at 270 Mbps (the bottleneck is the Ethernet), I turned it down to a 20 MHz channel so it's merely 130 Mbps. And I moved it down to DFSland, where the AP side properly moved the slider all the way to the right at +14 (since the antenna gain is 16 dB). But lessee... the old Motorola charged extra for allowing speeds above 25 Mbps, extra for encryption, and cost about 50 times as much as the UBNT to begin with. Oh, but the PTP had a metal body, unlike the nano. But the new Rockets are metal too. So really, it's embarrassing -- if you're the one still trying to sell at the old Moto price points! Not to rain on the sunshine here -- but I did see one issue when I actually read the FCC test report. It was only being tested for the 15.247 band (5725-5850), not U-NII. At least the old PTPs had DFS (with separate SKUs needed to use the DFS and non-DFS channels!), and the plain NanoStation does. So will the Rocket-lite have U-NII support? That could include either or both of the DFS bands and the new UNII-1 band at 5150. I also notice that WISPA is petitioning to have the 15.407 (U-NII) rules changed to be easier to meet. But the NanoStation, Rocket M, and NanoBridge already do, at low cost, so does UBNT know more than its competitors do, or are the new rules harder? -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
