Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
Here is the info on AC power arrangement http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean The CCR specs show it having : Dual power supplies for redundancy, 110-250V input, IEC connectors which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power supply. All you would have to do is match the power cables... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v), a neutral and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots. I believe the router can handle more than 120v but not in the sense that its being delivered on two 120v legs with a neutral and no ground. Its a 3 prong twist lock type receptacle. If there is a way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling one of the hots and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new non-code engineered power cable. Educate me. I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug on the wall behind the rack though, seems like the best way forward considering the options I was just trying to accommodate the customers request prior to plan B. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com Sent : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:21 PM To : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Everything can use 240 now days probably just need a new power cord On Nov 5, 2014 12:10 PM, Bob M lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Keep in mind that it is breakered for 240. Splitting the legs after a 240 vac circuit breaker is not code. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com Date:11/05/2014 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Tim, In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet into two 120v circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if you don't want to hardware it. From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US). A quick Google search revealed this: http://www.wayfair.com/Champion-Power-Equipment-Generator-Y-Adapter-for-Champion-Power-Equipment-48035-L771-K~CXP1067.html?refid=GX50899353420-CXP1067device=cptid=75696510540gclid=CJ_Fktv348ECFUdffgod3z4ANw Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 From: Tim Way t...@way.vg To: sc...@brevardwireless.com , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:50:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question I would think something like this might be the safer option: http://www.certifiedmtp.com/step-up-step-down-transformer-500w/?gclid=CNWj1Kro48ECFQipaQodB74ADQ That said I'm not an electrician and I think that question might be best answered by one. Tim Way On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I need to place a 120v normal 1U router in a rack that only has 240v twist lock receptacles available for power. I need to put a UPS there so I just looked for a 240v UPS with the right plugs but because they are made for a lot larger load they were way bigger (and more expensive) than what I was looking for. SO... anyone have a better way to do this? I have considered taking one leg and bonding the neutral and ground, but. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
Ok... sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you. There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has. 1-120v leg1 from single phase source 2-120v leg2 from single phase source 3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from power company. Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply. 1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source 2-Neutral 3-Ground A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral and ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy - but not code. B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source) C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described above in A Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Here is the info on AC power arrangement http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean The CCR specs show it having : Dual power supplies for redundancy, 110-250V input, IEC connectors which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power supply. All you would have to do is match the power cables... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v), a neutral and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots. I believe the router can handle more than 120v but not in the sense that its being delivered on two 120v legs with a neutral and no ground. Its a 3 prong twist lock type receptacle. If there is a way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling one of the hots and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new non-code engineered power cable. Educate me. I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug on the wall behind the rack though, seems like the best way forward considering the options I was just trying to accommodate the customers request prior to plan B. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Everything can use 240 now days probably just need a new power cord On Nov 5, 2014 12:10 PM, Bob M lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:Keep in mind that it is breakered for 240. Splitting the legs after a 240 vac circuit breaker is not code. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com Date:11/05/2014 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Tim, In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet into two 120v circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if you don't want to hardware it. From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US). A quick Google search revealed this: http://www.wayfair.com/Champion-Power-Equipment-Generator-Y-Adapter-for-Cham pion-Power-Equipment-48035-L771-K~CXP1067.html?refid=GX50899353420-CXP1067d evice=cptid=75696510540gclid=CJ_Fktv348ECFUdffgod3z4ANw Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200 From: Tim Way t...@way.vg To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:50:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question I would think something like this might be the safer option: http://www.certifiedmtp.com/step-up-step-down-transformer-500w/?gclid=CNWj1K ro48ECFQipaQodB74ADQ That said I'm not an electrician and I think that question might be best answered by one. Tim Way On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I need to place a 120v normal 1U router in a rack that only
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
http://www.samlexamerica.com/support/documents/WhitePaper-120240VACSingleSplitPhaseandMultiWireBranchCircuits.pdf
This document has info on what you are looking for.
The configuration you describe is called dual / split phase ... which happens
to be the most common configuration on how power is delivered to our homes in
the US.
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
- Original Message -
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net, sc...@brevardwireless.com,
WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:40:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Ok... sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you.
There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has.
1-120v leg1 from single phase source
2-120v leg2 from single phase source
3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from power
company.
Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply.
1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source
2-Neutral
3-Ground
A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 or
leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral and
ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy - but not
code.
B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot wire
with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud core power
supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source)
C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and turn that
into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can use unless that
cable is doing nothing more than what I described above in A
Thanks
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102
From : Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent : Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM
To : sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject : Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Here is the info on AC power arrangement
http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean
The CCR specs show it having :
Dual power supplies for redundancy, 110-250V input, IEC connectors
which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power
supply.
All you would have to do is match the power cables...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
- Original Message -
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v), a neutral
and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots. I believe the router can
handle more than 120v but not in the sense that its being delivered on two
120v legs with a neutral and no ground. Its a 3 prong twist lock type
receptacle. If there is a way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling
one of the hots and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new
non-code
engineered power cable. Educate me.
I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug on the
wall
behind the rack though, seems like the best way forward considering the
options I was just trying to accommodate the customers request prior to
plan
B.
Thanks
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102
From : TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
Sent : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:21 PM
To : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject : Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Everything can use 240 now days probably just need a new power cord
On Nov 5, 2014 12:10 PM, Bob M lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
Keep in mind that it is breakered for 240. Splitting the legs after a 240
vac
circuit breaker is not code.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
Original message
From: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com
Date:11/05/2014 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question
Tim,
In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet into two
120v
circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if you don't want to
hardware
it.
From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US).
A quick Google search revealed this:
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire. On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
That is unless you buy LiFePO4 batteries specifically engineered to take the place of AGM batteries. http://www.batteryspace.com/Li-Ion-Batteries-To-Replace-Lead-Acid-Batteries.aspx Stephen On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote: Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire. On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Lol. Spoken like someone that doesn't really know much about the subject. I'm not asking if it's possible (which it is), I'm asking if anyone is using them. On 07/11/2014 10:45, Philip Dorr wrote: Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire. On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web:http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
Set your device for 220-240VAC Many devices have a switch on the power supply for this. Some devices simply have an input range of 100-250VAC. Tie your device hot to leg 1 Tie your device neutral to leg 2 Tie your device ground to the neutral/ground of the power outlet. Can you post a picture of the outlet and of the power cord recptical on your device? -- On 11/6/2014 2:40 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok... sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you. There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has. 1-120v leg1 from single phase source 2-120v leg2 from single phase source 3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from power company. Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply. 1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source 2-Neutral 3-Ground A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral and ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy - but not code. B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source) C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described above in A Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net *Sent*: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Here is the info on AC power arrangement http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean The CCR specs show it having : Dualpowersuppliesforredundancy,110-250Vinput,IECconnectors which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power supply. All you would have to do is match the power cables... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v), a neutral and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots. I believe the router can handle more than 120v but not in the sense that its being delivered on two 120v legs with a neutral and no ground. Its a 3 prong twist lock type receptacle. If there is a way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling one of the hots and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new non-code engineered power cable. Educate me. I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug on the wall behind the rack though, seems like the best way forward considering the options I was just trying to accommodate the customers request prior to plan B. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent*: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:21 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Everything can use 240 now days probably just need a new power cord On Nov 5, 2014 12:10 PM, Bob M lakel...@gbcx.net mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Keep in mind that it is breakered for 240. Splitting the legs after a 240 vac circuit breaker is not code. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com mailto:br...@tekify.com Date:11/05/2014 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Tim, In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet into two 120v circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if you don't want to hardware it. From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US). A quick Google search revealed this: http://www.wayfair.com/Champion-Power-Equipment-Generator-Y-Adapter-for-Champion-Power-Equipment-48035-L771-K~CXP1067.html?refid=GX50899353420-CXP1067device=cptid=75696510540gclid=CJ_Fktv348ECFUdffgod3z4ANw
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:19:44 -0500 Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Set your device for 220-240VAC Many devices have a switch on the power supply for this. Some devices simply have an input range of 100-250VAC. Tie your device hot to leg 1 Tie your device neutral to leg 2 Tie your device ground to the neutral/ground of the power outlet. Can you post a picture of the outlet and of the power cord recptical on your device? While this should work in theory you cannot assume that neutral and ground are the same. The farther you get from the service the greater the possibility that neutral varies from ground, and if you have a corroded junction somewhere between your location and the bonding point you can have significant voltage on neutral. Just try and make digital equipment work if your feed 5-10 volts AC in on the ground. To do this properly requires an isolation transformer to separately derive the source and a new bonding point or better yet a four wire source pigtail where neutral and ground are separately presented on the plug. (Be careful about over current protection.) I've had to do this in a remote locations with 240 V generator. I used a one-to-one isolation transformer with a center tap. The primary is connected to the two hot legs. The secondary center tap is bonded to earth ground and both neutral and ground originate at that point. 110 is present on either end of the secondary relative to the center tap. The whole thing has to go to a fuse/breaker box for protection. All in all if there is service anywhere close it's easier and cheaper to hire an electrician to drop a 110 receptacle close by. Fires and/or electrocuted kids/pets are a PR problem of the first order. Larry Ash Mountain West Technologies Corp. -- On 11/6/2014 2:40 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok... sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you. There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has. 1-120v leg1 from single phase source 2-120v leg2 from single phase source 3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from power company. Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply. 1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source 2-Neutral 3-Ground A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral and ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy - but not code. B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source) C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described above in A Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net *Sent*: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Here is the info on AC power arrangement http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean The CCR specs show it having : Dualpowersuppliesforredundancy,110-250Vinput,IECconnectors which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power supply. All you would have to do is match the power cables... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v), a neutral and a ground, vs. a neutral and two 120v hots. I believe the router can handle more than 120v but not in the sense that its being delivered on two 120v legs with a neutral and no ground. Its a 3 prong twist lock type receptacle. If there is a way I'd like to be educated (aside from pulling one of the hots and hooking the neutral to ground as well on my new non-code engineered power cable. Educate me. I think I'm just going to plug it into the normal 120v 20amp plug on the wall behind the rack though, seems like the best way forward considering the options I was just trying to accommodate the customers request prior to plan B. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
I've never had a problem doing this. While I see the theoretical issues you state, in practice it works. The issue you are describing is caused by a defective outlet or wiring job. While it happens, it is no more or less likely than your 117VAC outlet having the same issue with it's ground. If you assume every outlet is defective, then you will need isolation transformers everywhere... US 3 prong 240VAC outlets are wired as hot/hot/neutral with a strap on the device grounding the chassis metal to the neutral as a ground. This was standard. In most areas, new 240VAC outlets are wired as 4 prong hot/hot/neutral/ground and new devices are wired with a 4 prong cord. Most devices can have a 3 prong cord installed by following the device instructions. -- On 11/6/2014 7:00 PM, l...@mwtcorp.net wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:19:44 -0500 Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Set your device for 220-240VAC Many devices have a switch on the power supply for this. Some devices simply have an input range of 100-250VAC. Tie your device hot to leg 1 Tie your device neutral to leg 2 Tie your device ground to the neutral/ground of the power outlet. Can you post a picture of the outlet and of the power cord recptical on your device? While this should work in theory you cannot assume that neutral and ground are the same. The farther you get from the service the greater the possibility that neutral varies from ground, and if you have a corroded junction somewhere between your location and the bonding point you can have significant voltage on neutral. Just try and make digital equipment work if your feed 5-10 volts AC in on the ground. To do this properly requires an isolation transformer to separately derive the source and a new bonding point or better yet a four wire source pigtail where neutral and ground are separately presented on the plug. (Be careful about over current protection.) I've had to do this in a remote locations with 240 V generator. I used a one-to-one isolation transformer with a center tap. The primary is connected to the two hot legs. The secondary center tap is bonded to earth ground and both neutral and ground originate at that point. 110 is present on either end of the secondary relative to the center tap. The whole thing has to go to a fuse/breaker box for protection. All in all if there is service anywhere close it's easier and cheaper to hire an electrician to drop a 110 receptacle close by. Fires and/or electrocuted kids/pets are a PR problem of the first order. Larry Ash Mountain West Technologies Corp. -- On 11/6/2014 2:40 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok... sorry to beat this horse but I'm apparently not following you. There are three lugs my shiny new male plug has. 1-120v leg1 from single phase source 2-120v leg2 from single phase source 3- Neutral wire which bonds to ground at building main panel from power company. Cloud Core has three wires feeding the power supply. 1-120v leg (1 or 2) from single phase source 2-Neutral 3-Ground A) I completely understand how I can take a single 120v wire from leg1 or leg2 of the power source and then take the neutral to both neutral and ground of the router power supply and make this work - thats easy - but not code. B) I also understand how I could take a neutral, a ground and one hot wire with voltage anywhere from 110-250v and it will work with cloud core power supply. (but not I do not have this configuration at source) C) I do not understand how you can take two hots and a neutral and turn that into anything (just by using a cable) that the router can use unless that cable is doing nothing more than what I described above in A Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net *Sent*: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:53 AM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Here is the info on AC power arrangement http://www.oempanels.com/what-does-single-and-three-phase-power-mean The CCR specs show it having : Dualpowersuppliesforredundancy,110-250Vinput,IECconnectors which means that, you can use either 110 or 220 or 240 on the same power supply. All you would have to do is match the power cables... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:55:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question Cloud core. There is a difference between having a hot (80-250v),
