Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread RickG 
I had the same issue. After going to a LOCAL, REPUTABLE AGENT we ended up
saving money and can beat on his door when/if there are issues!

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

>
> Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a
> non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs.  No
> losses for a decade.
>
> Any suggestions out there?  We're talking about bulidings, towers,
> liability, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

2017-02-03 Thread Tom Fadgen 


Reminds me of a famous line in a movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNdw4DaUM8

Tom Fadgen


On Friday 03/02/2017 at 3:37 pm, Eric Tykwinski  wrote:

Laughs…

That’s a typical salesman response if I’ve ever heard one…
Sad but true, if you’ve got an engineer in house, always request an 
engineer at the other end so they can talk shop.


I’ve usually had help getting demo equipment from most vendors, but 
I’ve been out of the WISP bus for a awhile.
Even big name switching and routing vendors though still want to make 
a deal, so I’m sure it’s still holds.




On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
wrote:


Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las
Vegas in 2005...

Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz
channel, etc...
John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
John: 2007.
Me: Have you ever tested that?
John: No.
Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.

*sigh*

-Kristian



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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

2017-02-03 Thread Eric Tykwinski 
Laughs…

That’s a typical salesman response if I’ve ever heard one…
Sad but true, if you’ve got an engineer in house, always request an engineer at 
the other end so they can talk shop.

I’ve usually had help getting demo equipment from most vendors, but I’ve been 
out of the WISP bus for a awhile.
Even big name switching and routing vendors though still want to make a deal, 
so I’m sure it’s still holds.

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> 
> Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
> Vegas in 2005...
> 
> Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
> channel, etc...
> John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
> Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
> John: 2007.
> Me: Have you ever tested that?
> John: No.
> Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
> John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> -Kristian


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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

2017-02-03 Thread Kristian Hoffmann 
Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
Vegas in 2005...

Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
channel, etc...
John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
John: 2007.
Me: Have you ever tested that?
John: No.
Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.

*sigh*

-Kristian

On 02/03/2017 11:50 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Don't believe anything any vendor says, if they say 100 users, make sure of 
> that.  Etc.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions
>
> Penny wise pound foolish.
>
> Yes don't get caught up in the holy grail of wireless hype.
>
> On Fri, February 3, 2017 1:20 pm, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.
>>
>>
>> Don Spaulding wrote:
>>
>>> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>>
 We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
 document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
 http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 


 This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to

>>> start a
 WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
 mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
 fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
>>> grow,
 it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
>>> grow
 and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
>>> early on
 that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
 stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.

 Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different

>>> vendors in
 our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
 our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
>>> hardware
 because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
 testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
 for this purpose.

 This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the

>>> community and
 forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
 finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
>>> make
 good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
>>> decades
 and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
 embarrassed to share and advise us.


 On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
 

>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
 I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
 within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this

>>> into a
 solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
>>> I am
>>>
 taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
 pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
 provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
>>> their
 suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
>>> detail?

 Thanks in advance!


 Mark


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread Dennis Burgess 
Don't believe anything any vendor says, if they say 100 users, make sure of 
that.  Etc.  


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

Penny wise pound foolish.

Yes don't get caught up in the holy grail of wireless hype.

On Fri, February 3, 2017 1:20 pm, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.
>
>
> Don Spaulding wrote:
>
>> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>
>>
>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>
>>> We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly 
>>> document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
>>> http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to
>>>
>> start a
>>> WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a 
>>> mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a 
>>> fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
>> grow,
>>> it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
>> grow
>>> and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
>> early on
>>> that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this 
>>> stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
>>>
>>> Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different
>>>
>> vendors in
>>> our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in 
>>> our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
>> hardware
>>> because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest 
>>> testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear 
>>> for this purpose.
>>>
>>> This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the
>>>
>> community and
>>> forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest 
>>> finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
>> make
>>> good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
>> decades
>>> and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not 
>>> embarrassed to share and advise us.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse 
>>> 
>>>
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP 
>>> within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this
>>>
>> into a
>>> solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
>> I am
>>
>>> taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential 
>>> pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and 
>>> provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
>> their
>>> suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
>> detail?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org 
>>>
>> >
>>
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>> 
>>
>>> >>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
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>>> www.AUwireless.net 
>> 
>>
>>> _Facebook
>>>
>> > >_ |
>>
>>> @auwirelessnet >>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>> Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
>>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread Stuart Pierce 
Penny wise pound foolish.

Yes don't get caught up in the holy grail of wireless hype.

On Fri, February 3, 2017 1:20 pm, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.
>
>
> Don Spaulding wrote:
>
>> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>
>>
>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>
>>> We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
>>> document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
>>> http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to
>>>
>> start a
>>> WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
>>> mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a fairly
>>> flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
>> grow,
>>> it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
>> grow
>>> and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
>> early on
>>> that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
>>> stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
>>>
>>> Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different
>>>
>> vendors in
>>> our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
>>> our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
>> hardware
>>> because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
>>> testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
>>> for this purpose.
>>>
>>> This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the
>>>
>> community and
>>> forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
>>> finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
>> make
>>> good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
>> decades
>>> and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
>>> embarrassed to share and advise us.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
>>> 
>>>
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
>>> WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this
>>>
>> into a
>>> solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
>> I am
>>
>>> taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
>>> pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and provider
>>> standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
>> their
>>> suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
>> detail?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org 
>>>
>> >
>>
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>> 
>>
>>> >>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 
>>> AU Wireless (Golden Wireless)
>>> www.AUwireless.net 
>> 
>>
>>> _Facebook
>>>
>> > >_ |
>>
>>> @auwirelessnet >>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>> Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
>>> >>
>> >
>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread Keefe John 
This happens all the time.  No matter what your 'agent' says, make sure 
the carrier actually covers ISPs and tower climbers.


These two companies FOR SURE cover this:

Chubb
Hanover

Keefe


On 2/3/2017 12:07 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:


Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a 
non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs.  
No losses for a decade.


Any suggestions out there?  We're talking about bulidings, towers, 
liability, etc.


Thanks in advance.




--
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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread Jay Weekley 
Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.

Don Spaulding wrote:
> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > wrote:
>
> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>
> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> > We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
> > document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
> > http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 
> >
> > This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to
> start a
> > WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
> > mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
> > fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
> grow,
> > it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
> grow
> > and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
> early on
> > that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
> > stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
> >
> > Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different
> vendors in
> > our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
> > our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
> hardware
> > because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
> > testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
> > for this purpose.
> >
> > This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the
> community and
> > forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
> > finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
> make
> > good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
> decades
> > and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
> > embarrassed to share and advise us.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
> > 
>  >> wrote:
> >
> >   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
> > WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this
> into a
> > solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
> I am
> > taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
> > pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
> > provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
> their
> > suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
> detail?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ___
> > Wireless mailing list
> > Wireless@wispa.org 
> >
> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> 
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > AU Wireless (Golden Wireless)
> > www.AUwireless.net 
> 
> > _Facebook
>  >_ |
> > @auwirelessnet  >
> >
> > Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
> >  >
> >
> >
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> 
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>  >
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> Date: 02/02/17
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[WISPA] Insurance once again

2017-02-03 Thread Marco Coelho 
Apparently Liberty Mutual has misplaced their testes and has sent us a
non-renewal notice with reason code being they no longer insure ISPs.  No
losses for a decade.

Any suggestions out there?  We're talking about bulidings, towers,
liability, etc.

Thanks in advance.




-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread William C Bardwell 
Question I have for myself. What kind of ROI are you looking for in a tower
location?

On Feb 3, 2017 9:06 AM, "Don Spaulding"  wrote:

> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>
>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>> > We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
>> > document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
>> > http://www.auwireless.net/blog/
>> >
>> > This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a
>> > WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
>> > mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
>> > fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we grow,
>> > it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to grow
>> > and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions early on
>> > that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
>> > stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
>> >
>> > Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in
>> > our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
>> > our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware
>> > because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
>> > testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
>> > for this purpose.
>> >
>> > This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and
>> > forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
>> > finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make
>> > good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades
>> > and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
>> > embarrassed to share and advise us.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
>> > WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a
>> > solid business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am
>> > taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
>> > pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
>> > provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their
>> > suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of detail?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > ___
>> > Wireless mailing list
>> > Wireless@wispa.org 
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > 
>> > AU Wireless (Golden Wireless)
>> > www.AUwireless.net 
>> > _Facebook _ |
>> > @auwirelessnet 
>> >
>> > Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
>> > Wireless mailing list
>> > Wireless@wispa.org
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> >
>> >
>> > No virus found in this message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13884 - Release Date:
>> 02/02/17
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread Timothy Steele 
Wait a year or 2 if you can lots of cool new stuff coming out in the near
future that will have you way ahead of the game if you start with it if not
make sure upgrading is in your budget plan within the next 2 years

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 10:06 AM Don Spaulding  wrote:

> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>
> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> > We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
> > document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
> > http://www.auwireless.net/blog/
> >
> > This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a
> > WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
> > mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
> > fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we grow,
> > it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to grow
> > and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions early on
> > that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
> > stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
> >
> > Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in
> > our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
> > our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware
> > because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
> > testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
> > for this purpose.
> >
> > This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and
> > forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
> > finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make
> > good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades
> > and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
> > embarrassed to share and advise us.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
> > > wrote:
> >
> >   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
> > WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a
> > solid business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am
> > taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
> > pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
> > provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their
> > suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of detail?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Mark
> >
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> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > AU Wireless (Golden Wireless)
> > www.AUwireless.net 
> > _Facebook _ |
> > @auwirelessnet 
> >
> > Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
> > 
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-03 Thread Don Spaulding 
Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.

On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>
> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> > We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
> > document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
> > http://www.auwireless.net/blog/
> >
> > This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a
> > WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
> > mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
> > fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we grow,
> > it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to grow
> > and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions early on
> > that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
> > stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
> >
> > Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in
> > our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
> > our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware
> > because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
> > testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
> > for this purpose.
> >
> > This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and
> > forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
> > finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make
> > good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades
> > and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
> > embarrassed to share and advise us.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
> > > wrote:
> >
> >   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
> > WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a
> > solid business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am
> > taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
> > pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
> > provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their
> > suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of detail?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ___
> > Wireless mailing list
> > Wireless@wispa.org 
> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > AU Wireless (Golden Wireless)
> > www.AUwireless.net 
> > _Facebook _ |
> > @auwirelessnet 
> >
> > Recommend us on Nextdoor.com
> > 
> >
> >
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> > Wireless@wispa.org
> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> >
> >
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