Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Faisal Imtiaz]

You have my vote of yes, proceed with cautious optimism 

Hopefully others will chime in with their thoughts as well. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 10:52:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part
> 101 spectrum

> Faisel,

> Thanks for the input. An industry group (who wishes to remain anonymous at 
> this
> point) approached WISPA to see if we would be an opponent of this proposal
> since we are essentially the incumbents in the 6Ghz Part 101 space, or a
> supporter.

> My thought is that we have far more to gain from supporting the (admittedly
> incomplete) proposal by obtaining far more PTMP spectrum than we lose. I would
> like to respond on behalf of WISPA with enthusiastic support for the idea but 
> I
> want to get a feel from the membership before endorsing the concept.

> Mark

>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 5:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
>> This can be rather interesting

>> My personal opinion is that the current part 101 is very 'wasteful' of 
>> spectrum,
>> due to how the links are coordinated, while it is completely understandable
>> that the part 101 rules favor the license holder in protecting their links.

>> I would be very much interested in knowing the exact functioning on the
>> mechanism to protect the current PTP license holder. The ability to use the
>> rest of un-used spectrum for PTMP at such sites would be very much welcomed
>> relief for severely disadvantaged areas such as South Florida, (no 3.65 due 
>> to
>> earth stations, no extended 5x due to coastal radar etc etc)..

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net >
>>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>>> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:01:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz 
>>> Part
>>> 101 spectrum

>>> There is 1325 Mhz of spectrum potentially available between 5925 to 7250Mhz.
>>> Existing 6GHz PTP links would need to be protected, as well as satellite 
>>> links,
>>> and some federal users.

>>> Mark

 On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
 wrote:
 I can't imagine there's enough spectrum to do this.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 Midwest Internet Exchange

 The Brothers WISP

 From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net >
 To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
 Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 4:12:45 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
 101
 spectrum

 WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore
 unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum. The idea is to 
 increase
 the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII rules, along 
 with
 additional mitigations currently under study (e.g., sensing, database) to
 protect incumbents. As there are no federal users (other than PTP) this 
 would
 not require the ESC system of CBRS and is potentially considerably simpler 
 to
 implement.

 The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high
 power/capacity/range band. The downside is some potential loss of 
 geographic
 exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in exchange for
 greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms over time.

 I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
 membership
 and for those who use them if there would be significant opposition to 
 using
 the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.

 Mark

 Mark Radabaugh
 WISPA FCC Committee Chair
 419-261-5996

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Mark Radabaugh]

Faisel,

Thanks for the input.   An industry group (who wishes to remain anonymous at 
this point) approached WISPA to see if we would be an opponent of this proposal 
since we are essentially the incumbents in the 6Ghz Part 101 space, or a 
supporter.

My thought is that we have far more to gain from supporting the (admittedly 
incomplete) proposal by obtaining far more PTMP spectrum than we lose.   I 
would like to respond on behalf of WISPA with enthusiastic support for the idea 
but I want to get a feel from the membership before endorsing the concept.


Mark


> On Jun 3, 2017, at 5:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> This can be rather interesting
> 
> My personal opinion is that  the current part 101 is very 'wasteful' of 
> spectrum, due to how the links are coordinated, while it is completely 
> understandable that the part 101 rules favor the license holder in protecting 
> their links.
> 
> I would be very much interested in knowing the exact functioning on the 
> mechanism to protect the current PTP license holder. The ability to use the 
> rest of un-used spectrum for PTMP at such sites would be very much welcomed 
> relief for severely disadvantaged areas such as South Florida, (no 3.65 due 
> to earth stations, no extended 5x due to coastal radar  etc etc)..
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:01:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
> 101 spectrum
> There is 1325 Mhz of spectrum potentially available between 5925 to 7250Mhz.  
>   Existing 6GHz PTP links would need to be protected, as well as satellite 
> links, and some federal users.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> I can't imagine there's enough spectrum to do this.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>   
> 
> From: "Mark Radabaugh" >
> To: "WISPA General List" >
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 4:12:45 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
>101 spectrum
> 
> 
> WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore 
> unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum.The idea is to 
> increase the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII rules, 
> along with additional mitigations currently under study (e.g., sensing, 
> database) to protect incumbents.  As there are no federal users (other than 
> PTP) this would not require the ESC system of CBRS and is potentially 
> considerably simpler to implement.
>  
> The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high 
> power/capacity/range band.   The downside is some potential loss of 
> geographic exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in 
> exchange for greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms over 
> time.
> 
> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant 
> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> 419-261-5996
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Faisal Imtiaz]

This can be rather interesting 

My personal opinion is that the current part 101 is very 'wasteful' of 
spectrum, due to how the links are coordinated, while it is completely 
understandable that the part 101 rules favor the license holder in protecting 
their links. 

I would be very much interested in knowing the exact functioning on the 
mechanism to protect the current PTP license holder. The ability to use the 
rest of un-used spectrum for PTMP at such sites would be very much welcomed 
relief for severely disadvantaged areas such as South Florida, (no 3.65 due to 
earth stations, no extended 5x due to coastal radar etc etc).. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:01:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part
> 101 spectrum

> There is 1325 Mhz of spectrum potentially available between 5925 to 7250Mhz.
> Existing 6GHz PTP links would need to be protected, as well as satellite 
> links,
> and some federal users.

> Mark

>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote:
>> I can't imagine there's enough spectrum to do this.

>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>> The Brothers WISP

>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net >
>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 4:12:45 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101
>> spectrum

>> WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore
>> unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum. The idea is to increase
>> the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII rules, along 
>> with
>> additional mitigations currently under study (e.g., sensing, database) to
>> protect incumbents. As there are no federal users (other than PTP) this would
>> not require the ESC system of CBRS and is potentially considerably simpler to
>> implement.

>> The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high
>> power/capacity/range band. The downside is some potential loss of geographic
>> exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in exchange for
>> greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms over time.

>> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
>> membership
>> and for those who use them if there would be significant opposition to using
>> the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.

>> Mark

>> Mark Radabaugh
>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
>> 419-261-5996

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