Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I don't think it is an issue with the Mikrotik. The reason for saying that is that we do not see a problem with any type of system other than the Tranzeo. We still have a few Orinoco based units in the field and they can double NAT without problem. We can also but the CPQ in bridge mode and use the client based wireless router doing double NAT and there are no problems. So far we have tried four different systems at the client locations, Tranzeo, Orinoco, Linksys, Belkin. Only the Tranzeo fails. We have showed Tranzeo all of the configuration settings and have set a unit up so they can log into it an look around. They have declined to log in but have reviewed the configuration and say we have everything correct. Since some of you with very similar setups are not seeing a problem then I am guessing we have something wrong. But we are failing to find what we are missing. steve Kevin Neal wrote: I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Nealkevinsafel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Yes I have at least 75 clients with Tranzeo's (Router) connecting to StarOS. However, the StarOS AP's that I have are OLD WRAP boards with StarOS version 2.11.0. I had nothing but problems with the WAR boards as AP's due to the crappy HOTSPOT Valemont went to on v3 and lots of problems with VPN clients. begin rant that and Lonnie told me that I was clueless and to go out of business so that someone else that had a clue could take my customers G end Rant We are going to Mikrotik for all AP's due to the above rant. We still use lots of StarOS for Backhauls. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? While I am not certain that it is a Tranzeo issue, I do know that it is something we are able to cause 100% of the time only on Tranzeo units. It is possible that it is something in our configuration but so far we not found anything. Steve Barnes - Do you have any setups where you are have staros for the AP and a Tranzeo unit in router mode at the client? Kurt - we have no evidence that it is related to P2P being installed on the client machine. We see the problem on any type of download regardless of how it is done. Steve Steve Barnes wrote: I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Dropping you an off-list response with much more detail. But also posting here to report that we are seeing a very similar problem. We are seeing the Tranzeo units fail to sustain downloads after two to five minutes when they are in router mode performing NAT. Tranzeo is blaming Mikrotik. However, we have been able to prove that the failure is unique to the Tranzeo unit. Our solution is the same as yours. Do not use the Tranzeo in router mode. Put it in bridge mod and all is well. We have tested non-Tranzeo radios in router mode and there is no problem. We are finding that the problem exists for both firmware versions 3.6.7 and 4.0.2. We are not seeing any problems with the connections or the pings when the downloads fail. It seems to be a time related issue rather than related to the amount of data moved. Download failure occurs 100% of the time when the Tranzeo is in routed mode. Downloading the same file from the same source when the Tranzeo is in bridge never fails. Download failures always occur within 2 to 5 minutes and are not dependent on the mode of file transfer. Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] City Tower Shelter Agreement
Does anyone happen to have an agreement they are willing to share between an ISP and a city or county for access to a tower shelter. All I need is access to a couple of electrical outlets in their shelter. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Agenda for March 10
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants [http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants]. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov [mailto:mary.campan...@usda.gov]. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be asked at the March 10 meeting. Looking at the agenda it will be mostly speeches by representatives from the various agencies. Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones telling us how it works rather than asking us for suggestions. I think we are mostly past the input stage. Instead I think they are scrambling to put together the procedures they will use to evaluate any proposals they get. There are a lot of people wanting information and I kind of visualize it as feeding time at the fish farm. They are going to throw some money in the pond and there will be a feeding frenzy. I will send my questions to them via multiple channels and hope some of them get asked and answered. One of the primary questions I will have is if they are going to use the criteria required of them by the Office and Budget Guidance and the FCC? My guess is they will ignore some of those requirements unless someone points them out to them but maybe not. You might look at this post from the Benton Foundation for an idea of what they may be looking for. According to Benton this is a requirement that NTIA and RUS must work with when granting grants. http://www.benton.org/node/22559 I personally think it is worth engaging some of the people that have personal contacts with the decision makers so that we can tailor our grant requests to what they want. I think this is one of those rare opportunities that should be taken advantage of. I will approach them asking what they want rather than telling them how to do it. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 st...@chase3000.com 308 882-3000 308 883-3001 cell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 What questions should be asked? I think we should ask if they are going to allow input as to what we (as the operators) think would be the most efficient use of funds. In other words, are we, as a trade group AND individuals, going to have ANY time to give them our ideas? After all, our ideas will be based on experience. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Smith st...@chase3000.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
Since others have not responded to this yet, I will say that I know that WISPA will have at least one representative present in person at the meeting. I spoke with a RUS representative yesterday asking for more information on how they plan on dealing with the stimulus program. Their response was this: Please follow our web site. Yes, we know it hasn't been updated in weeks. We will be holding a joint meeting with NTIA on the 10th. After that we will post more information on the site. Yes, we know that the loan program information on our site doesn't work. You are still welcome to submit a request but since the forms are invalid it probably won't do any good until we issue new ones at some unknown date in the future. We are aware that that NTIA is holding meetings with groups starting March 2 but RUS is not prepared to do that. Please watch the web site for updates. NTIA gives the impression that they are far more organized than RUS however, that may just be RUS feeling that the less information they give out the more likely they are to be able to direct the money to the people they prefer. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 st...@chase3000.com 308 882-3000 308 883-3001 cell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead Government Agencies To everyone keeping an eye on this: --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. andrew.lip...@bingham.com wrote: From: Lipman, Andrew D. andrew.lip...@bingham.com Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead Government Agencies To: Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle agencies responsible for awarding billions of dollars to the telecom industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host a public meeting in D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded by the economic stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband Technology Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development Broadband Program, and the development of a National Broadband Plan. The meeting will take place on March 10 at the U.S. Department of Commerce. As seating will be limited, the meeting will also be broadcast over the web. The attached announcement will appear in the tomorrow's Federal Register. We will be attending the presentation to monitor issues that could impact the application process for those funds. Please contact either myself or Frank Lamancusa (202-373-6812), if you would like to discuss the opportunities that the legislation can bring to your company. Andy Andrew D. Lipman Partner, Practice Group Leader T 202.373.6033 F 202.373.6001 andrew.lip...@bingham.com B I N G H A M Bingham McCutchen LLP 2020 K Street NW Washington, DC 20006-1806 == Bingham McCutchen LLP Circular 230 Notice: To ensure compliance with IRS requirements, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used by any taxpayer, for the purpose of avoiding any federal tax penalties. Any legal advice expressed in this message is being delivered to you solely for your use in connection with the matters addressed herein and may not be relied upon by any other person or entity or used for any other purpose without our prior written consent. == WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Victoria Missouri Rural Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Senate to cut Rural Broadband from Stimulus Bill!
I agree with John's summary of how it works. If you want to see the current Senate version go to www.senate.gov On the right you will see a link for active legislation. Under the popular titles you can see the current version plus the amendments. The combined House/Senate version is what matters and the conference committee report (merged bills) can't be written until the Senate passes its version. From everything I read though there will be a bias towards projects that can be started within 45 days of the passage of the legislation. So have your projects engineered and ready or if you don't want any in your region then make sure NTIA and RUS know that you already provide advanced services. I kind of doubt anyone in the nation provides what they have in mind for fiber broadband speeds. The House version called for fiber networks to provide 45mb down 15 mb up and the Senate version calls 100mb down and 20mb up. For wireless the House calls for 3 mb down and 1 mb up. Senate says 3 mb down and 768 k up. Steve Smith Chase 3000 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate to cut Rural Broadband from Stimulus Bill! I believe this is a move that is happening to make the House and Senate bills more closely aligned. Steve Coran also stated similar thoughts regarding this move. The House bill had $6 Billion for broadband. The Senate package allocated $9 Billion. Once both bills pass they must go to Committee for a new version to be voted on by both House and Senate. Clearly the dollar amounts must meet in the middle which means that the Senate ir proactively getting their borabdand dollar amounts in line with what has already passed the House. I know it is comfusing but creating new laws is something that is a little tough on purpose so as to stop knee-jerk legislative actions, or at least I think that is the reason behind the convoluted steps created by the process. Some of my high school civics lessons are beginning to float up through the fog that is my poor abused brain. :-) Scriv On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.comwrote: The Senate agreement pared from the bill $20 billion for school construction, $2 billion to expand broadband access in rural areas, $3.5 billion to make federal buildings more energy efficient and $200 million for NASA. It also reduced a proposed subsidy that would allow the jobless to buy health insurance through their former employers. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103sid=adnIDRZKZQJwrefer=us This is NOT good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Auction 66
http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_summaryid=66 Can anyone tell me anything about this auction? Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 308 882-3000 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?
Yes, it is a required step in applying for a grant/loan from RUS. This is your opportunity to let RUS know you exist, which from last time I looked at it made the applicant must less likely to get the grant/loan if you already provide in the area they are asking for help in. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 308 882-3000 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:15 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants? anyone seen anything like this before? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: USDA RUS loans/grants? Don't you provide service here?: LEGAL NOTICE OPEN RANGE COMMUNICATIONS INC We are a prospective applicant under the Rural Broadband Access Loan and Loan Guarantee Program being administered by the Rural Development, Utilities Programs (RDUP), United States Department of Agriculture. We are required, as a prospective applicant to announce our intent to provide broadband services (200 kilobits upstream and downstream) in the State of Washington in the following communities: Anacortes, Artondale, Burlington, Camas, Clarkstone Heights-Vineland, College Place, East Port Orchard, East Wenatchee Bench, Ephrata, Ferndale, Fort Lewis, Gig Harbor, Grandview, Green Acres, Lynden, Moses Lake, Othello, Quincy, Steilacoom, Sunnyside, Toppenish, Waller, Washougal, West Richland. Incumbent broadband service providers have 30 days from the date of this Legal Notice to inform RDUP if they are currently providing broadband service in these areas or if they have a commitment to provide service in these areas. Incumbent broadband service providers should submit to RDUP, on a form prescribed by RDUP, the number of residential customers receiving broadband service in the proposed service area, the rates of data transmission, and the cost of each level of service or proof of commitment to provide service in the proposed service area. A map should also be provided showing the boundaries of your service area in relation to the communities above. A Legal Notice Response Form can be obtained from RDUP's website at www.usda.gov/rus/telecom. (This ad is from 04/17/2006 to 04/18/2006.) ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wireless and hurricane
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wireless9sep09,0,2807737.story?coll=la -home-business -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
