Re: [WISPA] uptime
Mikrotik 2.9 router - uptime 372 days (1.8ghz rackmount x86 based computer), and one of the wireless cards in it, registration time, 172 days (100 foot PTP link). I think the best uptime I've seen is this one Novell 3.x server I took out of service like 10 years ago(failed SCSI drive), it had something like 1500 days uptime... (I think it was a Pentium 133)... if only Novell was as reliable as it once was... On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:14:55 -0500, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D. Ryan Spott wrote: Mac SE/30 running netBSD 3+ years of service echoing uptime: :MM:DD:MM:SS every few seconds. :D I am such a geek! I feel so outclassed. The best I've got is one of my older Linux do-it-alls: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uptime 09:13:27 up 413 days, 8:31, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 In my defense, 413 days ago we moved across town to a new office, and I couldn't figure out how to keep the servers powered while they were in the back of the boss' Jeep. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
Living in the fringe of an exclusion zone, I'd like to see more information on negotiating or contacting the existing license holders... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:57:10 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Do the Nanostations work as APs? I'm very interested in also finding out whether polarity can be set as an AP. If they can be I think this is the solution I've been looking for to change out my old tower equipment (esp. at that price! $1000 to run a 2.4/5.8 tower). Also, does anyone have a manual or any more info about this AirOS? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC PoE
This is probably gonna sound dumb, but a routerboard has a built in voltage regulator, that's the reason it can take anywhere from about 11VDC to 27VDC (I believe it's not 24 max but 27)... Factor in the losses in the cable length it should be down a few volts. But what I wanted to tell you is that's a GREAT idea - I never thought of using battery power directly on my towers, always looking for some kind of charger/inverter setup, but end up using inefficient AC adapters on the UPS.. As far as injectors, I use anywhere from 12VDC to 24VDC right into a passive injector with no problems (injector max 60VDC). Remember to use a FUSE! On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:50:25 -0600, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a PoE injector that will output 24 v (for RotuerBoards) and accepts a ~24 vDC input? Looking to add external batteries to an APC 1400 and then just tap the ~24 vDC right off the battery. Save some AC\DC conversions. I would also like to note that apparently the APC isn't a true 24v... one I have on my tower now is 27v. Would this be an issue? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Grounding
We just got some new T1's in and the phone company had us run a #6 ground wire from our main electrical ground (not earth ground) to our server room. Well, I hadn't really put much though into it, but what's the best way to incorporate that ground into our server racks? We use raised flooring, so should we have a ground from their block to our servers? Should our tower be attached to the same ground? Thanks Doug WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Skypilot
I have several reasons that I liked Skypilot in particular. For one thing, the sectorized omni approach meant I could use 1 unit to cover 360 degrees. Secondly, the smart antenna approach giving it 44db EIRP on the AP side. Third, the automatic redundancy, and fourth, the fact that 1 piece of equipment on the tower replaces: redundant backhauls, ethernet switches, lots of sector panels, etc. It can be installed by 1 climber in probably less than 30 minutes. Nothing else I've found has close to these features. BelAir mentions it can be used for cellular backhaul - is it really capable of what it claims to be able to do? Is there a non-mesh endpoint unit that can be used, or am I forced to use a Belair unit on clients that want voice T1s? I just can't see Wi-Fi being able to handle 10 or 20 simultaneous calls - and the backhaul radios aren't unlicensed Wimax - just 802.11a. So maybe I need to go to Alvarion VL - but I wonder if they live up to their VOIP call claims on their tech sheets - Canopy Advantage couldn't in my testing, at 2.5 miles with 1 CPE on it it fell on its face... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:08:59 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before jumping into the mesh space, I would look at all the technology that is out there, from 1st generation up to the current 4/5 generation. There's a ton of great equipment out there. Strix, Arrowspan, Go Networks, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA. I'm considering an equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who was using it with very good success who loves it. The idea of adding bandwidth with another gateway, etc. But how much bandwidth in a given area can that system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can each new gateway actually use a different frequency? Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much capacity can I expect per gateway, simultaneously. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single client unit, like T1 replacement)? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Skypilot
I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA. I'm considering an equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who was using it with very good success who loves it. The idea of adding bandwidth with another gateway, etc. But how much bandwidth in a given area can that system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can each new gateway actually use a different frequency? Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much capacity can I expect per gateway, simultaneously. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me
I do believe there is an additional charge for international and intergalactic mail. -Original Message- From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me Loved the image. What really amazes me is that you can mail to anywhere in the galaxy for a mere 41 cent first class postage. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me Haha, don't worry about it. The laughter is worth more than $1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [WISPA] [OT] The USPS never ceases to amaze me [The entire original message is not included] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
So is the Ubiquiti SRC and 4.9 PCMCIA card a computing device since it was designed for install in laptops? -Original Message- From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Mike Hammett wrote: Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop? Because the Netgear PCI card has been certified both as a computing device and a Part 15 intentional radiator - but only if it is used with the antenna which the Netgear was certified with. -forrestc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
If indeed, an XR5 is certified with that particular 32dbi antenna, cable and pigtail. No reason they wouldnt certify popular antenna combos, not to mention the changes to the law regarding like-gain antennas that was made a few years back. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble I never thought of it that way. Doug makes a lot of valid points. I can put an XR5 with a 32 dbi antenna into a PC and install Windows and be legal. Why can't I install Mikrotik (a specialized Linux distribution) on it instead? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble Ok. I've said this before. On a home PC, I don't need to certify a Dell computer running Win2k and a Netgear wireless card to be FCC legal, so why is Mikrotik any different? Almost everything computerized is ALL modular certified. What makes homebrewed any different? Is a Dell/HP/clone PC running Linux and a Netgear [The entire original message is not included] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
Ok. I've said this before. On a home PC, I don't need to certify a Dell computer running Win2k and a Netgear wireless card to be FCC legal, so why is Mikrotik any different? Almost everything computerized is ALL modular certified. What makes homebrewed any different? Is a Dell/HP/clone PC running Linux and a Netgear wireless card breaking the law? Does that Netgear need a cert for every OS supported? I remember this FCC modular computer battle in the early 90s. Also, many brands of wireless cards actually ask what governing domain is to be installed, again not unlike Mikrotik. I believe everything Mikrotik is running on as long as the components meet modular FCC cert , would be governed as PCs and not as dedicated electronics like Canopy or Trango. In the case of a laptop running a miniPCI card, if the local Best Buy puts a different brand in on a Linux OS, did they break the law and should be fined for violating Part 15? Is running Linux illegal by the FCC? -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:17 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble I don't really care for the whole discussion of whether certified gear should be used or not. Every piece of gear has advantages and disadvantages as well as pricing considerations. Regardless of whether someone is willing to use uncertified gear, I am sure that given the choice between uncertified and certified everyone would choose certified every time. Therefore, uncertified gear is at a disadvantage to other gear, so it must make up for this disadvantage some other way or no one would choose it. What is MT's advantage? In a word, horsepower. I am considering taking a collection for the fee required to have the a Microtik based system certified. I wish one of the bigger players out there would just DO this. I would pay a PREMIUM for an AP with the horsepower and features that the Microtik offers-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
