[WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in your face, kind of impolite. Someone mentioned in the recent past that a customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how close they were and the link was significantly better. I wouldn't expect it's part of your problem, though. It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is supposed to make them redundant). You often see this problem when you plug a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device, creating a loop. In your case it starts on one side, goes through the link, bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats indefinitely. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Josh, my apologizes, I wasn't trying to be impolite, or a braggart, just stating facts so that all relevant info is on the table. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in your face, kind of impolite. Someone mentioned in the recent past that a customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how close they were and the link was significantly better. I wouldn't expect it's part of your problem, though. It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is supposed to make them redundant). You often see this problem when you plug a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device, creating a loop. In your case it starts on one side, goes through the link, bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats indefinitely. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
I think the ubnt radios alter or do some funny magic with the mac addresses when bridging. For a clear bridge, try using them in wds, which will of course prevent adequate security. I would also turn the power down a little, -28 will do more harm than good especially if you're trying to put two on a dish. I understand the bullets can't be turned down below 1 or 10dbm afaik. I would use HP's trunking instead of lacp and use each link as a trunk port. 2524--radio--radio--2524 The switch would still play dumb though if a link went down and half your traffic would be botched, based on how the HP divies up the traffic by mac address. You'd have to have a 26xx switch which can determine link state across a trunk port via keepalive traffic instead of interface status. Things to get you beyond 26mbps might include a MT link (30-35mbps), trangolink45 (which works at 5.4ghz as well), or alvarion b100 gear, or VL gear (about 32mbps) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:39:00AM -0600, Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Ryan, Let me say this differently. I'm not saying it's bad that your bragging, I'm saying that the signal strength could be too high. If you put two antennas adjacent and get a 0 or -1 signal strength you get significant packet gain because the hardware can't keep up with the RF. I suck at words, sorry =( Do you see my point now? Good point - Are the bullets in WDS mode. I forgot AirOS doesn't do WDS by default. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, my apologizes, I wasn't trying to be impolite, or a braggart, just stating facts so that all relevant info is on the table. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: First off a signal strength of -28 or -30 is like someone screaming in your face, kind of impolite. Someone mentioned in the recent past that a customer with -55 needed to be toned down to B from G because of how close they were and the link was significantly better. I wouldn't expect it's part of your problem, though. It looks to me that LACP isn't doing it's job (or whatever device is supposed to make them redundant). You often see this problem when you plug a switch into a switch or a layer 2 device into another layer 2 device, creating a loop. In your case it starts on one side, goes through the link, bounces in the switch and out the other link and vice versa and repeats indefinitely. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that are running lacp. For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although I still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way around that. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that are running lacp. For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls and clients are talking too loud between one another. -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your neighbors if any. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems? I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although I still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way around that. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that are running lacp. For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2198 - Release Date: 06/25/09 06
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Yea I got that, I've got both links now at -58 had to lower the power down big time. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.comwrote: Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls and clients are talking too loud between one another. -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your neighbors if any. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems? I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although I still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way around that. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that are running lacp. For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'? -RickG On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Before - station mode (in other terms, bridge mode with arp proxy) After - station wds mode (a real layer 2 bridge this time =) Ubiquiti AirOS calls them station, station wds and router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'? -RickG On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Now, you have no encryption. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:47:13PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Before - station mode (in other terms, bridge mode with arp proxy) After - station wds mode (a real layer 2 bridge this time =) Ubiquiti AirOS calls them station, station wds and router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: As many have responded the signal is way too high. Also, I'm curious if you have the Bullets in 'bridge mode' or 'route mode'? -RickG On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Excellent point - I have always said less is more How's the County wifi project coming? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems? I try to keep mine in the -65 to -75 range. Why? Multipath will often be around 30db less than your main signal. You want to try to keep the main signal low enough that the average multipath is below the receiver threshold. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems? Did you get what he was saying about the signal strength? You're going to want your signal around -60 or so. I think anything above -50 really causes noise problems. I had to go through and audit many units on our network just because of the pollution is causes when several backhauls and clients are talking too loud between one another. -20 to -30 would definitely cause you RF problems in the future and your neighbors if any. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems? I didn't have the radios is WDS mode, its works perfectly now. Although I still can't get to the units after LACP is linked. Gota find a way around that. Ryan On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Make sure all your ports at set in at the same ethernet link speed that are running lacp. For testing does it work if you run RSTP instead? jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
