Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
I believe Commscope was the company that purchased Andrew. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
In my testing they are often at least 2 or three dB less than the rating. They have a crappy bracket. They are 2x heavier. Actually, there isn't anything that I DO like about them. Been that way for years. I even tried one again a year or so ago. yuck marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
I second and also third that opinion on the Pac bracket. S U C K S ! I use them for backhauls and they aren't spaced too far apart so the loss of dB isn't much of an issue with me at the moment. Is there a grid that isn't that much more in cost but a better value for the buck? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas In my testing they are often at least 2 or three dB less than the rating. They have a crappy bracket. They are 2x heavier. Actually, there isn't anything that I DO like about them. Been that way for years. I even tried one again a year or so ago. yuck marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
If anybody is interested, I've got about 200 2.4 GHz 24db grids (mix of andrew and rf antenna ) some brand new some used. We don't use these anymore. They are located in Greenville, TX contact me off-list if you're interested. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: I would have to agree with Marlon, my experience with Pacwireless grids was less than exceptional. On the other hand I really like their horizontal sectors and horizontal omnis. If you are still looking for a replacement for the Andrew 2.4Ghz 24dbi, we used to purchase our 24db's from Hyperlink Technologies and had good luck with those. Here's a link: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=22370cmp=ALSOS Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas In my testing they are often at least 2 or three dB less than the rating. They have a crappy bracket. They are 2x heavier. Actually, there isn't anything that I DO like about them. Been that way for years. I even tried one again a year or so ago. yuck marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Yeah, the $100 Andrew (comscope???) units! grin But they are now discontinued. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I second and also third that opinion on the Pac bracket. S U C K S ! I use them for backhauls and they aren't spaced too far apart so the loss of dB isn't much of an issue with me at the moment. Is there a grid that isn't that much more in cost but a better value for the buck? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas In my testing they are often at least 2 or three dB less than the rating. They have a crappy bracket. They are 2x heavier. Actually, there isn't anything that I DO like about them. Been that way for years. I even tried one again a year or so ago. yuck marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Advanced antenna was bought by http://rfantennadesign.com/ Brackets are pretty thick and don't have near the wobble as the previous versions -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Those are Andrew antennas :-). The ONLY difference is the subreflector. marlon - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I would have to agree with Marlon, my experience with Pacwireless grids was less than exceptional. On the other hand I really like their horizontal sectors and horizontal omnis. If you are still looking for a replacement for the Andrew 2.4Ghz 24dbi, we used to purchase our 24db's from Hyperlink Technologies and had good luck with those. Here's a link: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=22370cmp=ALSOS Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas In my testing they are often at least 2 or three dB less than the rating. They have a crappy bracket. They are 2x heavier. Actually, there isn't anything that I DO like about them. Been that way for years. I even tried one again a year or so ago. yuck marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas What do you not like about the PacWireless ones? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
I LOVE the pac wireless j arms. I won't buy anything else. No one even comes close to the quality of those units. marlon - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Rfantennadesign.com /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:15:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4
[WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Got a link? What vendor? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
There's these: http://www.mbsicanada.com/index.php?page=shop.product_detailscategory_id=246flypage=shop.flypageproduct_id=1441option=com_virtuemartItemid=1 and these: http://rfantennadesign.com/page6.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Got a link? What vendor? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
I believe the first one is Andrew based, so will it be around? The second looks exactly like a Pac Wireless, don't like 'em. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas There's these: http://www.mbsicanada.com/index.php?page=shop.product_detailscategory_id=246flypage=shop.flypageproduct_id=1441option=com_virtuemartItemid=1 and these: http://rfantennadesign.com/page6.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Got a link? What vendor? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
The RF Antenna Design uses a much beefier bracket - not flimsy like the pac wireless. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe the first one is Andrew based, so will it be around? The second looks exactly like a Pac Wireless, don't like 'em. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas There's these: http://www.mbsicanada.com/index.php?page=shop.product_detailscategory_id=246flypage=shop.flypageproduct_id=1441option=com_virtuemartItemid=1 and these: http://rfantennadesign.com/page6.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Got a link? What vendor? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Hyperlink. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
