Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question
I’d probably find out how long they need the “line clear”. My guess is that a space launch will only need the ground based radar running for a few minutes to a half hour (doesn’t take long to get into space). If they are willing to work out a specific and reasonable time frame I’d let my customers know what the situation is and shut down the ap’s for that time. I’d also be asking the USAF what they plan to do if they ever get attacked. If the devices in the area so easily jam the systems I’m not sure what it’s national defense usefulness is in the first place . marlon From: Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 9:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably because the equipment nor the FCC allows it. I'm just curious if any of you have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be. I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses (including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO. Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this situation. Do I have to comply? Do they have legal justification to just say - turn it off... etc Thanks... I appreciate your time in responding. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question
Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably because the equipment nor the FCC allows it. I'm just curious if any of you have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be. I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses (including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO. Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this situation. Do I have to comply? Do they have legal justification to just say - turn it off... etc Thanks... I appreciate your time in responding. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question
Maybe you can use the opportunity to get them let you use frequencies you wouldn't otherwise be allowed to use? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:01:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably because the equipment nor the FCC allows it. I'm just curious if any of you have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be. I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses (including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO. Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this situation. Do I have to comply? Do they have legal justification to just say - turn it off... etc Thanks... I appreciate your time in responding. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question
dang that sucks. i don't think they can require you to turn off your equipment but they might cause so much interference for you that it might bring your network down anyway. perhaps they would fund you switching to the 5.4 band??? i am not a lawyer tho. maybe Steve Cornan (WISPAs attorney) could help?? good luck, i'd be interested in knowing the outcome. -sean On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably because the equipment nor the FCC allows it. I'm just curious if any of you have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be. I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses (including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO. Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this situation. Do I have to comply? Do they have legal justification to just say - turn it off... etc Thanks... I appreciate your time in responding. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question
Scott First I have heard of military radar operating in the upper 5.8 spectrum but the equipment is probably older than the NTIA/FCC database. Part 15 states your equipment must accept interference and must not cause interference. As such, if the military can prove that your equipment is causing interference to theirs and they are authorized to operate in that spectrum, and the interference is effecting their mission, they could get the FCC involved and could issue you a cease and desist notice. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think if it is really causing an issue you may get a request? Thats a possibility. Do I think the military/Nasa has a real good relationship with the Miami field office? Yes Politically I dont think you will see anything happen unless they can prove the issue and state a heavy case. The Commission does not have the resources to track down all the 5.8 operators on the Florida coast. I would be concerned if someone from the field office shows up at your door (with proper ID) or you have to sign for your mail because it comes certified. I would also be concerned if a humvee full of guys with assault weapons showed up in uniform but thats a long shot. :-) (Considering how warm it is in Florida right now i dont think you will find a commission field engineer in a hurry to come out and visit you in one of their 1986 Ford Escort fleet vehicles with no AC... Lol) Just make sure you have your EIRP's where they are suppose to be and if you are using the.lower spectrum, your DFS is enabled. Finallyif you do get a visit...say nothing. The more info you provide the more trouble you will create. Let them request info. You do not have a FCC license so that puts you on a different playing field from licensed spectrum. Get professional counsel if you get contacted. I have had numerous dealings with the Commission with interference issues and most of those were reasonable meetings. Good luck but I think you're safe. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Date:05/07/2014 12:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably because the equipment nor the FCC allows it. I'm just curious if any of you have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be. I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses (including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO. Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this situation. Do I have to comply? Do they have legal justification to just say - turn it off... etc Thanks... I appreciate your time in responding. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
