Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure http://www.commsday.com/node/228 Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure March 20th, 2008 Australia's first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay's Buzz Broadband, has closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a disaster that failed miserably. In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was non- existent beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
I have a local competitor who uses Wi-Max equipment - maybe even the brand you mentioned (sorry - I don't want sued) - I have had calls from a customer or two of theirs who are looking for something better. I have no way of knowing all of the details (signal strength, etc.), but at one of their customers homes I did some testing and it really did look like crap (500-600 ms lag times). I have been saying to myself for a long time, self - it's all just hype until you see differently for yourself. I may have been right. I like it when I'm right :-) Brad H On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology
