Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
On 8/25/16 2:12 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > It worries mee that there are no other comments within this list… lack > of vision? Waiting to see what happens with equipment. IMO the current LTE stuff targeted at WISPs in 3.65 hasn't been too exciting yet. NLOS happens to be irrelevant to me and I'm small enough scale where its costs don't make sense. PMP450 and MU-MIMO makes more sense for me. ~Seth ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
The former IDEN channels Sprint is using were in the 800s (862 rings a bell, but maybe not). Some are 3 MHz due to competitors (I forget the southern company still running IDEN), but most of their 800 LTE is 5 GHz FDD. They're also running 1x-Advanced for voice and text in 8xx MHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:57:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE On 8/25/2016 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Big wireless also has BRS\EBS, WCS and whatever iDen used. Yes, add that to the spectrum list. At least in Sprint's case. They own most of the BRS/EBS licenses and leases, and are using it for their LTE. A few others are there too, on a more local basis. Nextel had some iDEN frequencies in the 900 MHz range and that too is in Sprint's network now, but those were IIRC only 3 MHz channels, so mostly good for voice coverage. Sprint still can't hold a candle to the big two in that regard, though, and even T-M is ahead now with its 700 MHz coverage. AT&T holds a lot of the 2300 MHz WCS licenses. I think one of the Nextwaves held some and was leasing them to WISPs, but AT&T bought them. Verizon of course had bought a previous Nextwave. - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:42:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between dissimilar technologies. The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz (original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate problem. On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Thanks for posting this Gino, I read the article and thought it was interesting.
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
On 8/25/2016 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Big wireless also has BRS\EBS, WCS and whatever iDen used. Yes, add that to the spectrum list. At least in Sprint's case. They own most of the BRS/EBS licenses and leases, and are using it for their LTE. A few others are there too, on a more local basis. Nextel had some iDEN frequencies in the 900 MHz range and that too is in Sprint's network now, but those were IIRC only 3 MHz channels, so mostly good for voice coverage. Sprint still can't hold a candle to the big two in that regard, though, and even T-M is ahead now with its 700 MHz coverage. AT&T holds a lot of the 2300 MHz WCS licenses. I think one of the Nextwaves held some and was leasing them to WISPs, but AT&T bought them. Verizon of course had bought a previous Nextwave. *From: *"Fred Goldstein" *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:42:46 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between dissimilar technologies. The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz (original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate problem. On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Thanks for posting this Gino, I read the article and thought it was interesting. My only concern is there will be that many more bidders in the PAL license area. I think that this alliance has the capability to be a very good thing for wisps. But it will make us have to spend the money to actually purchase our spectrum. This is a new thought for many of us. These 3 main players are already in the LTE market with Intel, Qualcomm, and Nokia already having silicon that can do the CRBS band. A stable uniform platform may arise from this that may interoperate between carriers and may g
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
Big wireless also has BRS\EBS, WCS and whatever iDen used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:42:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between dissimilar technologies. The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz (original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate problem. On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Thanks for posting this Gino, I read the article and thought it was interesting. My only concern is there will be that many more bidders in the PAL license area. I think that this alliance has the capability to be a very good thing for wisps. But it will make us have to spend the money to actually purchase our spectrum. This is a new thought for many of us. These 3 main players are already in the LTE market with Intel, Qualcomm, and Nokia already having silicon that can do the CRBS band. A stable uniform platform may arise from this that may interoperate between carriers and may give WISPs the first time chance to partner with celcos with interconnect agreements. Our networks will have to be able to handle it but I think there is more revenue possible, at least for Rural WISPs. Companies in very metro areas are probably out of luck. The thought of having a large amount of equipment that all uses the same spec, the same timing mechanisms with GPS sync, allows us to buy into the technology and share the spectrum. Maybe we can make this band work the way that we wished all the bands worked and interoperate with everyone who follows the spec and not be fighting the big boys all the time…. Steve Barnes Wireless Operations Manager PCSWIN.COM NLBC.COM From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between dissimilar technologies. The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz (original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate problem. On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Thanks for posting this Gino, I read the article and thought it was interesting. My only concern is there will be that many more bidders in the PAL license area. I think that this alliance has the capability to be a very good thing for wisps. But it will make us have to spend the money to actually purchase our spectrum. This is a new thought for many of us. These 3 main players are already in the LTE market with Intel, Qualcomm, and Nokia already having silicon that can do the CRBS band. A stable uniform platform may arise from this that may interoperate between carriers and may give WISPs the first time chance to partner with celcos with interconnect agreements. Our networks will have to be able to handle it but I think there is more revenue possible, at least for Rural WISPs. Companies in very metro areas are probably out of luck. The thought of having a large amount of equipment that all uses the same spec, the same timing mechanisms with GPS sync, allows us to buy into the technology and share the spectrum. Maybe we can make this band work the way that we wished all the bands worked and interoperate with everyone who follows the spec and not be fighting the big boys all the time…. *Steve Barnes* Wireless Operations Manager *PCSWIN.COM* *NLBC.COM* *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/ /*Gino Villarini*/ President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Ri
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
Thanks for posting this Gino, I read the article and thought it was interesting. My only concern is there will be that many more bidders in the PAL license area. I think that this alliance has the capability to be a very good thing for wisps. But it will make us have to spend the money to actually purchase our spectrum. This is a new thought for many of us. These 3 main players are already in the LTE market with Intel, Qualcomm, and Nokia already having silicon that can do the CRBS band. A stable uniform platform may arise from this that may interoperate between carriers and may give WISPs the first time chance to partner with celcos with interconnect agreements. Our networks will have to be able to handle it but I think there is more revenue possible, at least for Rural WISPs. Companies in very metro areas are probably out of luck. The thought of having a large amount of equipment that all uses the same spec, the same timing mechanisms with GPS sync, allows us to buy into the technology and share the spectrum. Maybe we can make this band work the way that we wished all the bands worked and interoperate with everyone who follows the spec and not be fighting the big boys all the time Steve Barnes Wireless Operations Manager PCSWIN.COM NLBC.COM From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/ Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image002.png@01D1FEA7.C693BEE0] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
It wouldn't be surprising. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:12:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE It worries mee that there are no other comments within this list… lack of vision? From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE Good thing or bad thing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:22:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/ Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
It worries mee that there are no other comments within this list… lack of vision? From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE Good thing or bad thing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:22:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/ Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
Good thing or bad thing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:22:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/ Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE
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